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post #31 of 48
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

Well TWO people posted quality control issues on the last page of the F8000 page. One software user error post, and TWO people concerned with the Smart Hub downtime for maintenance. So FIVE out of THIRTY posts is not "about half" by ANY stretch of the imagination. I do appreciate your honesty in your error but your response saying "about half" of the posts on the last page are "uniformity/software/dead pixel issues" is incorrect.

Sorry, I thought I saw two users complaining of returning multiple sets due to dead pixel issues.
post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

I would recommend getting either the 55" Sony W900A or the 55" Samsung F8000. If you are interested in getting the extra 5" of screen space, then I would recommend you get the 60" Samsung F8000. CNET gave the Sony W900A and Samsung F8000 equal picture quality scores so you will get practically the same visual experience from each. But from what I can tell from Sony's website, they do not offer a 60" version of the W900A. So the only other 60" TV that can match the picture quality of the W900A would be the 60" F8000.

I said that posts ago and yet this debate continues. And I'd hope LED LCD technology has made it so your most recent set is "king" of your old sets, CaptinCrunch.
post #33 of 48

Hey there!

I'm on a crossroads between Sony W905A and Samsung 55F8000 right now, maybe you guys could help?

 

I (mostly my wife) really need those convinient fancy samsung smart features like iptv\online theaters and others stuff (there are some very appealing features especialy for my region). But i'm into PS3\PS4 so i'm worried about high input lag (44ms), which is no problem on sony (19ms). Some say that after 1113 firmware on F8000 it's actually under 30ms, some even stated 20-26ms in Game Mode on 1116. The problem is i'm in Ukraine and right now the newest available firmware on samsung site is 1113.3 (released 2013.12.20), there's no info if newer firmwares are ever gonna be available or if they gonna have the same features as in US version (i.e. lag decrease), local forums and tech support have no answers on the topic. In the store side by side i liked both.. I really need samsung's smart stuff and sony's low input lag, if samsung has it all in latest firmwares then i'm definitely getting one.

 

Please be so kind to answer since i don't have much time to choose, just a few days until special offers in some stores expire.

 

Huge thanks in advance!

post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by evildii View Post

Hey there!
I'm on a crossroads between Sony W905A and Samsung 55F8000 right now, maybe you guys could help?

I (mostly my wife) really need those convinient fancy samsung smart features like iptv\online theaters and others stuff (there are some very appealing features especialy for my region). But i'm into PS3\PS4 so i'm worried about high input lag (44ms), which is no problem on sony (19ms). Some say that after 1113 firmware on F8000 it's actually under 30ms, some even stated 20-26ms in Game Mode on 1116. The problem is i'm in Ukraine and right now the newest available firmware on samsung site is 1113.3 (released 2013.12.20), there's no info if newer firmwares are ever gonna be available or if they gonna have the same features as in US version (i.e. lag decrease), local forums and tech support have no answers on the topic. In the store side by side i liked both.. I really need samsung's smart stuff and sony's low input lag, if samsung has it all in latest firmwares then i'm definitely getting one.

Please be so kind to answer since i don't have much time to choose, just a few days until special offers in some stores expire.

Huge thanks in advance!

Do you want to please you or your wife? The Samsung has better smart features, and the Sony has less lag. Pictures are close otherwise. Go with what feature you want the most.
post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by Porkpie View Post


Do you want to please you or your wife? The Samsung has better smart features, and the Sony has less lag. Pictures are close otherwise. Go with what feature you want the most.

Thanks for repeating what i stated :) I wan't both more smart and less lag :) This is my dilemma, to solve it i need to figure if samsung has actually fixed lag issue in the newer firmwares. If it did then i'm safe with samsung.

 

Just to be clear, the main question is: Did Samsung reduced input lag on 1113+ firmware?

The secondary question is: Does Samsung have different regional firmwares or do they just delay releases only  due to language localization?

post #36 of 48
I'm guessing the answer to your first question can best be found in the thread for F8000 owners. Hopefully someone has actually measured it and not just heard that it had X amount of lag. To the second, question, you might want to visit Samsung's website and contact someone there. They would best be able to tell you about firmware updates.
post #37 of 48
Yes, Samsung does have regional firmwares. For most gamers, 15ms to 25ms is little to no difference. Unless you're a twitch reacting professional major league first person shooter player, the difference is not something you should be concerned with. Since there are no input lag numbers for the Ukraine version of the F8000, there is no saying what the input lag really is until you try it.

What is the return or exchange period at the store you're looking at? If it is 30 days, then your best option is to try one TV first and then if it's not satisfactory to you then to return it and exchange it for the second TV. And if you find that you liked the first TV better than the second then the store should be able to let you exchange it for a third time.

Word of advice: If you end up with a good first set (no clouding/banding/dead pixels or other common LCD pit falls) then tell the store to keep that good set on hand for you while you try out the second TV, that way if you feel like going back to the first TV you know that it will be in good shape rather than taking another gamble and getting a worse set then the one you originally had.
post #38 of 48

Thanks for your replies!

 

I guess base input lag on Ukrainian F8000 should be same as in US (though who knows..), i already contacted samsung support and they were like giving me prepared answers, like reading from the sheet of paper, one of the employes even told me i shouldn't even be asking about firmwares cause it's not my concern and firmwares exist solely for fixing bugs and improve NOTHING at all. Local support is an utter crap.

 

The shops here have 14 days return policy, but i'd rather check before buying.. maybe i should bring my ps3 to the store or a notebook and check if mouse movements gonna lag, dunno.. sadly it's impossible to get Leo Bodnar lag tester.

 

btw what happens if i install US firmware on my Ukrainian TV? Is it even possible?


Edited by evildii - 1/22/14 at 1:38pm
post #39 of 48
Lag testing by eye is very difficult. I would try hooking your PS3 up to both and seeing if you can tell any difference. Be sure to put both TV's into Game Mode so they have the lowest input lag possible.

I would not recommend attempting to apply the US version of the firmware to your Ukraine F8000. The TV's hardware differ slightly from country to country. For all we know though, the Ukraine 1113 version may be the same as the US 1117 version. There is really no telling. Your best option is to bring in a PS3 to the store and play some games on it. Using the laptop may not be of much help because my computer's monitors (including the F8000) vary in input lag by 10 to 20ms and I'm hard pressed to find any mouse response differences. Gaming should make the difference more noticeable if there is any perceptible difference.
post #40 of 48
Thread Starter 
ummmm can you start your own thread...the original question was asking to compare sony 55w900 vs samsung 60f7100. thanks for your thoughts.
post #41 of 48
My original intention was to compare them too but in a very specific features. Sorry.

Thanks for help guys!
post #42 of 48
I took the images from this video into Best Buy and saw the same results. Both TV's were in Vivid and Dynamic modes. I had the same result with the f8000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCZsJdfSHs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
post #43 of 48
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Originally Posted by Big4Jerm3 View Post

I took the images from this video into Best Buy and saw the same results. Both TV's were in Vivid and Dynamic modes. I had the same result with the f8000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCZsJdfSHs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I'm not seeing this on the LN55C630. I can see all shades of red.
post #44 of 48
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Originally Posted by Big4Jerm3 View Post

I took the images from this video into Best Buy and saw the same results. Both TV's were in Vivid and Dynamic modes. I had the same result with the f8000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCZsJdfSHs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Yes, because advertisements from Sony is the best way to see an unbiased perspective of the competition. Have you ever heard of the term "propaganda"?

Samsung's highest end sets have needed ZERO edge definition or sharpening for many years now. Sharpness should be set to ZERO on all mid range to high end Samsungs. No extra artificial detail is needed because Samsung maps 1:1 and the contrast is high enough to see all the details in the 1080p source with no artificial detail being added to make the picture look more "detailed." Sony's X Reality gimmick is meant for less than 1080p quality sources. You CAN'T get better than 1:1 1080p, it's simply ludicrous to think you could without artificial detail being added.

Samsung's F8000 has quad core processor and Samsung's firmware and video processing is SECOND TO NONE. Every professional reviewer who did 1080p24 cadence and deinterlacing tests on both will agree. HDTVtest.uk and CNET are two examples that clearly state that the F8000's video processing surpass the Sony.

As far as color reproduction is concerned, the Samsung F8000 is ALREADY able to produce a HIGHER color gamut than the INDUSTRY STANDARD Rec.709. Which means when color space is set to Auto on the F8000, the F8000 is already producing colors that are MORE VIBRANT than what the ORIGINAL source intended. Triluminos is a very interesting technology (even though it suffers color uniformity and blue tinged whites) but you're just over saturating the colors to the point where it's way more colorful than what the original source intended. So if you're into the whole over saturated color business then that's fine and dandy but it's not at all a dealbreaker for the amazing F8000.

Also, color banding is NOT an issue on practically ALL Samsungs, especially the high end models.
post #45 of 48
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

Yes, because advertisements from Sony is the best way to see an unbiased perspective of the competition. Have you ever heard of the term "propaganda"?

Samsung's highest end sets have needed ZERO edge definition or sharpening for many years now. Sharpness should be set to ZERO on all mid range to high end Samsungs. No extra artificial detail is needed because Samsung maps 1:1 and the contrast is high enough to see all the details in the 1080p source with no artificial detail being added to make the picture look more "detailed." Sony's X Reality gimmick is meant for less than 1080p quality sources. You CAN'T get better than 1:1 1080p, it's simply ludicrous to think you could without artificial detail being added.

Samsung's F8000 has quad core processor and Samsung's firmware and video processing is SECOND TO NONE. Every professional reviewer who did 1080p24 cadence and deinterlacing tests on both will agree. HDTVtest.uk and CNET are two examples that clearly state that the F8000's video processing surpass the Sony.

As far as color reproduction is concerned, the Samsung F8000 is ALREADY able to produce a HIGHER color gamut than the INDUSTRY STANDARD Rec.709. Which means when color space is set to Auto on the F8000, the F8000 is already producing colors that are MORE VIBRANT than what the ORIGINAL source intended. Triluminos is a very interesting technology (even though it suffers color uniformity and blue tinged whites) but you're just over saturating the colors to the point where it's way more colorful than what the original source intended. So if you're into the whole over saturated color business then that's fine and dandy but it's not at all a dealbreaker for the amazing F8000.

Also, color banding is NOT an issue on practically ALL Samsungs, especially the high end models.

Can't comment much concerning the info that you post on the pros of Samsung over Sony (As I don't know much about it other than what my eyes see) , but I have to laugh about how quick you are to defend Samsung while at the same time shooting down any comments about how Sony does this or that better than Samsung. Now the funny part. You go on about how such and such a person is the biggest Sony fanboy ever, and then turn around and go on and on about how much better Samsung is. I mean, typing caps lock all over the place, yelling it from the mountain tops?? You seem awful defensive about it. If Samsung is so great, why the megaphone approach and comments bordering on personal attacks?
post #46 of 48
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Originally Posted by Porkpie View Post

Can't comment much concerning the info that you post on the pros of Samsung over Sony (As I don't know much about it other than what my eyes see) , but I have to laugh about how quick you are to defend Samsung while at the same time shooting down any comments about how Sony does this or that better than Samsung. Now the funny part. You go on about how such and such a person is the biggest Sony fanboy ever, and then turn around and go on and on about how much better Samsung is. I mean, typing caps lock all over the place, yelling it from the mountain tops?? You seem awful defensive about it. If Samsung is so great, why the megaphone approach and comments bordering on personal attacks?

I find it absolutely dumbfounding that people like you can accept things like dead/stuck pixels on cream of the crop display technology and have the audacity to claim that your choice of product is superior to what others have chosen. It simply blows my mind that Sony can get away with such mediocrity with praise from their victims. I've tried to communicate this several times in the past and have noticed that no one gives a damn so what else do you want?

I'm trying to make sure people don't get stuck in a crappy position of buyer's remorse. That's why I comment on threads like this. If someone is going to present a link to a video that is just blind marketing propaganda that has no common ground with the OP's dilemma then I have no choice but to rebut the red herring post so the OP doesn't take the misleading information into consideration. I'm simply trying to help the OP make a wiser, more informed decision. If that takes some flash and emphasized words then so be it. If you don't like the method of my communication than I don't know what to tell you, don't read my posts.
post #47 of 48
I think it's you that better start reading my posts more carefully. I've never said that Sony is superior to Samsung, and I've never said I have accepted the set I purchased. I still may take it back, and heck I could buy a F8000, who knows.

I think you need to go sit in a corner for a while and have a time out. And while your at it know that nobody doesn't see that your only intention on the forum is to support your Samsung obsession and challenge anyone else that opposes your agenda. It's not to help anyone.
post #48 of 48
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

Yes, because advertisements from Sony is the best way to see an unbiased perspective of the competition. Have you ever heard of the term "propaganda"?

Samsung's highest end sets have needed ZERO edge definition or sharpening for many years now. Sharpness should be set to ZERO on all mid range to high end Samsungs. No extra artificial detail is needed because Samsung maps 1:1 and the contrast is high enough to see all the details in the 1080p source with no artificial detail being added to make the picture look more "detailed." Sony's X Reality gimmick is meant for less than 1080p quality sources. You CAN'T get better than 1:1 1080p, it's simply ludicrous to think you could without artificial detail being added.

Samsung's F8000 has quad core processor and Samsung's firmware and video processing is SECOND TO NONE. Every professional reviewer who did 1080p24 cadence and deinterlacing tests on both will agree. HDTVtest.uk and CNET are two examples that clearly state that the F8000's video processing surpass the Sony.

As far as color reproduction is concerned, the Samsung F8000 is ALREADY able to produce a HIGHER color gamut than the INDUSTRY STANDARD Rec.709. Which means when color space is set to Auto on the F8000, the F8000 is already producing colors that are MORE VIBRANT than what the ORIGINAL source intended. Triluminos is a very interesting technology (even though it suffers color uniformity and blue tinged whites) but you're just over saturating the colors to the point where it's way more colorful than what the original source intended. So if you're into the whole over saturated color business then that's fine and dandy but it's not at all a dealbreaker for the amazing F8000.

Also, color banding is NOT an issue on practically ALL Samsungs, especially the high end models.

No, I've never heard the term PROPAGANDA. Maybe you can explain it to me. I simply stated that I took the images and asked a Best Buy associate to put them on the TVs. Both sets were in retail mode. I also put a picture of an elderly woman on the USB drive. On the 7100 there were 0 wrinkles on the woman. On the w900 she looked like a print and more true to life. I suppose that too is propaganda seeing that the images were pulled from a Google search. The Best Buy associate commented that customers buy the 7100 because of its brightness. Which often oversaturates and blows out the image.
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