Originally Posted by beastaudio
Well, it was another excellent g2g hosted by the most excellent primate I have ever met. It is amazing to me how Andrew has managed to amass such a great group of individuals so many times to get up and enjoy some quality setups. It is a hell of a drive for me but getting the opportunity once again to break it up by hanging out in Austin's theater the night before certainly helps out. How people take cross-country trips is beyond me. 10 hours is a haul, and enough for me...for sure. It was also very fun to meet the DC metro crowd as well. Got to meet some quality folks there too! Makes me sad there aren't more around my way, but as has been said if I lived too close to all the guys at the g2g, not only would it potentially be detrimental to my livelihood, I feel like I would have some incredible friends outside of the hobby completely. It was a huge honor just to be a part of it.
Some random thoughts before the serious stuff:
~Andrew's trash guy is going to think he is an alchy...I think we came close to filling his 55 gallon recycling canister. Great beers, great times! I was worried my beers weren't cold enough when I got there, but it didn't take too long for that to change
~Mad Props to Ben, Adam, Chop, Matt, Andrew again, Rick, Mark, and all the guys that put in way more time before the event than I did. They made it happen, I just did my best to help where I could. Loading up several speakers was pretty darn easy. Ben's prowess on the electronics is top-notch and without his setup we would have had way more issues than me not being able to figure out how to assign the video on the Marantz which I own and still had issues travelling around inside the sub-menus. At least I managed to make it work with some help
~As blind as the meet was, I feel like I caught the most BS from the likes of the moving crew. They knew I was slightly on edge having some skin in the game and they didn't let me forget that at any point in the night. I had at least point in each session where Austin would find me to make sure and point out that he felt like the speaker in question was definitely the most point-sourcy of them all so far... It certainly didn't help any of my decisions. Thanks bro
~I frikkin love Andrews room. As good as I feel mine sounds most of the time, I don't know whether it is lack of a "real" back wall or what, but he has an incredible space. It's his own fault for building it out the way he did to accommodate a phalanx of speaker geeks, I don't feel bad for you at all man, I feel bad for Jodi, Haha
Ok on the real ishSEOSR
Well, as you can tell from the pics, these things are intimidating!!! When I was helping set these up by standing on top of Andrew''s DTS10's to mount the last 15" cab on top, where I barely had enough room between my hand and the ceiling, I knew they would be a treat. I even got down and checked my teeth in the SEOS24 to make sure I didn't have any remnants of my egg mcmuffin from 4:30 AM
when Austin decided to play some bass tones to wake us all up to hit the road to get there in time for setup. Anyways, these speakers were incredible. For Chop to have literally flashed the DSP's about 20 minutes before go time (aka about 1.5 hours late....j/k bro
) is impressive. I know there is more refinement to come, but damn, when we watched the Book of Eli gatlin gun scene, I literally felt like shards of glass were actually penetrating my own head. I didn't survive that gunfight for sure....Cat 12c's
I have to say my guess on this was a bit biased. I had to relieve myself at one point during the listening session and with Andrew's amp rack being in the pisser, I noticed the IPR that we were using to power the passive setups was turned off. I am observant to a fault sometimes and I immediately drew the conclusion that this first offering was the CBT arrays since they were using their own amp. Had I not noticed that, I would potentially
have changed my mind. The presentation was still great. I wrote in my notes that there were certain nuances that i noticed with these that I didn't with the SEOSR's. I did notice the very top end was lacking compared to what I was used to with the Danley's and their ability to run to 24khz. On the Blake track they didn't quite get there for me on the high shrill that really pushes a speaker's top end to the brink. They still did well, and had some great areas that they excelled in. At this point I was also just giddy and nerve-racked because I already knew how hard the day was going to be trying to discern VERY small nuances in each of these speakers. Incredible.Selah CBT45's
Wow is all I can say. The top end was great, and what I felt was missing from the Cat's which is surprising as those little tweeters must have some serious strength in numbers. No chance one or two of those could have been that smooth on their own. Having my own set of LS-6 lines arrays, the sound was familiar, but my opinion was already made after the mishap in the bathroom with the previous setup. These CBT's were VERY surprising to me. Clean, smooth, some of the best vocals of the night on tracks. There was one part towards the end of count of tuscany that some background instruments didn't quite come out as much as I wanted, which I noted was a difference so far from the other two. The high part in Blake's track just shimmered perfectly though, and the presentation was wonderful front to back of the theater, which you would assume from a line array. Hindsight they did carry VERY well and better than speaker A which once again is a nice trait of line array designs. These little guys are impressive, I would have liked to see how they did at reference and above to see if they could hold together against the other 3 guys which I know are very capable that far up. Definitely the best looking speaker of the day to boot.My babies (Danley SM60f's)
As others have said, I spent the most time really listening to these. I LOVED them. The main note I wrote at the end of the session was that they had the most presence, and enveloping soundstage. The low end was ridiculously impressive, the high sheen on the Blake track was there, and the vocals and everything else was spot on. The bottom end is what threw me though. I saw the screen oscillating on certain tracks for the first time I had seen that night thus far. Having my setup always with subs, I didn't think they were that capable and thus my guess went to the most capable of that type of bottom end, the Cat12's. After learning the true identity of the Danley's I wasn't disappointed as most of my notes had them basically split decision with speaker B (CBT's) The CBT'd did do some things better and the Danley's did others better. The Cat's were my favorite at the last g2g by a long shot, so it was only logical that I might like them again at this one, thus my guess. In the end, the CBT's and Danley's were my top two, but with the nod going to the Danley's, even though I thought they were the Cats. Most presence, most attention grabbing, best presentation of the night is what I wrote after several tracks. The background instruments on Count of Tuscany were much more prominent than the previous setup. I literally jumped out of my seat jamming to the Oblivion end track as well.JTR Noesis
I was very surprised this time around with the Noesis. The top end on paper is as good if not better than the Danley's, however I felt they were 3rd on the list for that nice shimmer you look for in a speaker's high freqs like on the Blake track. The BMS compression driver seems certainly capable of it, I just didn't get as much of it as I expected. Having heard the Noesis before though, and the sound signature that so many love, I was pretty dead set on my decision that these were the 212's. Obviously, it was the only one I was dead set on as it was the only one I got right. I had a chance to sit next to carp for our last two Dream Theater tracks and although I know he was sweating as much as I was about picking his own speaker as his favorite, after both tracks I was just 100% impressed and realized at that point that there was no reason to really say anything bad about any of the setups we heard that day. It truly was nerve racking to have your own up there, but in the end I am glad I did
The Noesis were just so clean through the entire tracklist, it almost was as if they were a shade sterile in parts. The dynamics were there, but they didn't have that "Draw you in" like the B and C offerings had to them. At this point I wish I had my notes so I could comment more on what I heard with these, but my memory of this part of the night has seemed to slipped somewhat for some reason... :beer:Coaxial offerings
Plain and simple, I liked the Beyma's best here, but they are mine, so I was obviously biased here. Yes they were a little bright, but I felt they threw the best sound out, and even without a pad on the top end would be the absolute best for a surround type application. The top end a little hot would actually be pretty good if you are sitting slightly off axis, it would bring it right to where it needs to be. I wish the emmy build had the resistors Adam popped in last night to give them a better shot, but for a friggin $150, they are really just about impossible to beat from any commercial offering I have heards, sans some of the JBL 83xx type speakers.Stereo Integrity 24" Megatron
Stupid, just stupid. When we were running the 80-2hz sweeps upstairs while the guys were downstairs, it still pressurized the room and was just plain incredible. The behemoth is sitting downstairs in my theater right now just BEGGING me to build a box out for it right now. Too bad it has to go back to SI so Nick and send it to Josh for testing...That thing was just fun and it was a great surprise not just for the Philly crowd but for the DC crowd as well. I have a video of some excursion sweeps we did at Austin's house but I don't know the best way to get it uploaded. I don't have a youtube account or anything like that. All I know is the driver was clean, and mad impressive. I want 10.....or so.
So I got a little long-winded here, but I had to make up for my review from the last one. AVS actually just made my font smaller from typing to much so I guess I should cut it off here. Man I had a good time!!!!! The drive is easy, when it means that much fun over a weekend. I think we should make this an MLK tradition, however old man winter was exceptionally good to us, and I think anyone in the NE can attest to that right about now as you are all getting socked-in. I would have loved to hang around and seen CG's spot as well as hear Andrew's "Normal" setup with the Yorks in full action, but that can wait until next time I guess. Just another reason to head up that way and hang with all you find Gents one more time.
I need to find more maniacs around my parts. Lesson of the weekend right there....