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post #31 of 57
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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

So what are some of the opinions on the pq for the LG?

 

I just got the 60PN5000 which is the cheapo Walmart version of the LG for only $650 and the picture quality has blown me away so far.  Sure its not nearly as nice as the Panny ST/VT series, nor even the Sammy probably, but for $650 it absolutely destroys any of the ~$1000 LED's and looks fantastic when set up properly.  Just my two cents.

post #32 of 57
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Originally Posted by MegaTechPC View Post

I just got the 60PN5000 which is the cheapo Walmart version of the LG for only $650 and the picture quality has blown me away so far.  Sure its not nearly as nice as the Panny ST/VT series, nor even the Sammy probably, but for $650 it absolutely destroys any of the ~$1000 LED's and looks fantastic when set up properly.  Just my two cents.

Good to see. From what I've seen and read, the differences between the 3 plasmas isn't that much when viewing most programs.
post #33 of 57
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Haven't seen an LG so can't comment on it.

However, most reviews online is not that stellar.


What exactly might you be talking about? If you look at the thread on this website about the PN5700 I dare you to find me a negative comment in the 14 PAGES worth of posts. Or how about amazon.com? Bestbuy.com reviews? How about so called professional reviews? Plasmatvbuyinguide?  Maybe LG's website ... "97% 30 of 31 customers would recommend this product to a friend."

 

So what is it you do? Do you have preconceived notions about things and just spout them on websites. I have rarely seen a more highly rated or reviewed television, ever, and oh BTW, its $699. So yes, compare it to a $3000 dollar Panasonic or a $2300 Samsung and say its not as good. Good Point. Thanks for your stunning contributions. But for a tv under $1000 you cannot find a better one.

 

But yes, I guess "most reviews" find it not that stellar. If by "most" you mean literally less than 1%.

http://www.amazon.com/LG-60PN5700-60-Inch-Class-Plasma/product-reviews/B00CPDRKWG/ref=pr_all_summary_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

post #34 of 57
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Originally Posted by Tommygun45 View Post
 


What exactly might you be talking about? If you look at the thread on this website about the PN5700 I dare you to find me a negative comment in the 14 PAGES worth of posts. Or how about amazon.com? Bestbuy.com reviews? How about so called professional reviews? Plasmatvbuyinguide?  Maybe LG's website ... "97% 30 of 31 customers would recommend this product to a friend."

 

So what is it you do? Do you have preconceived notions about things and just spout them on websites. I have rarely seen a more highly rated or reviewed television, ever, and oh BTW, its $699. So yes, compare it to a $3000 dollar Panasonic or a $2300 Samsung and say its not as good. Good Point. Thanks for your stunning contributions. But for a tv under $1000 you cannot find a better one.

 

But yes, I guess "most reviews" find it not that stellar. If by "most" you mean literally less than 1%.

http://www.amazon.com/LG-60PN5700-60-Inch-Class-Plasma/product-reviews/B00CPDRKWG/ref=pr_all_summary_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending


And, BTW, literally the ONLY negative reviews you will find of this TV are from people who did not understand how to calibrate them, got confused, and returned them. So from any kind of real person who has the TV there have been 0% reviews.

post #35 of 57

I agree Tommygun 100%.  My 60PN5000 is a fantastic flat screen made even more fantastic by the mid-range 42" LED price tag!  Plasma's have their inherent weaknesses (namely looking dim on display in the big box stores) but once in the home and in a darker environment they flat out destroy LED's in terms of color and contrast.  This is far from the best plasma out there but for 1/3 the price of the epic Panny's I can live with it.  Especially when it looks better than most LED TV's...

post #36 of 57

has some compared both regarding the plasma flicker. 

i want a plasma realy bad, but the samsung has still to much flicker for my eyes, has the lg less ?

post #37 of 57
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Originally Posted by Tommygun45 View Post


What exactly might you be talking about? If you look at the thread on this website about the PN5700 I dare you to find me a negative comment in the 14 PAGES worth of posts. Or how about amazon.com? Bestbuy.com reviews? How about so called professional reviews? Plasmatvbuyinguide?  Maybe LG's website ... "97% 30 of 31 customers would recommend this product to a friend."

So what is it you do? Do you have preconceived notions about things and just spout them on websites. I have rarely seen a more highly rated or reviewed television, ever, and oh BTW, its $699. So yes, compare it to a $3000 dollar Panasonic or a $2300 Samsung and say its not as good. Good Point. Thanks for your stunning contributions. But for a tv under $1000 you cannot find a better one.

But yes, I guess "most reviews" find it not that stellar. If by "most" you mean literally less than 1%.
http://www.amazon.com/LG-60PN5700-60-Inch-Class-Plasma/product-reviews/B00CPDRKWG/ref=pr_all_summary_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending



Looks like a little girl just pissed in her pants. cool.gif

If you're happy with your LG, good for you. But don't go on prentending it's the best Plasma in its price range.
post #38 of 57
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post


Looks like a little girl just pissed in her pants. cool.gif

If you're happy with your LG, good for you. But don't go on prentending it's the best Plasma in its price range.

Oh, Im sorry. I guess my assumption about you being the kind of person who 'makes grand statements' and then provides 'no evidence, counter examples, or even remote discourse on the topic' thus making their original statement at best pointless, at worst blatant fanboyism was way off. Hmm. What to do with the rest of my day? Maybe I could go change my diaper. Or maybe you could enlighten us as to all of the TV's out there in the wild that are superior to the PN5700 that are also $600. I am awaiting your guidance and wisdom with bated breath. 

post #39 of 57
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Looks like a little girl just pissed in her pants. cool.gif

If you're happy with your LG, good for you. But don't go on prentending it's the best Plasma in its price range.

This is the sort of smug arrogance that typifies so many. The man is happy with his plasma. You act as if there is a huge night and day difference between the plasma sets, even the now defunct kuro.
Even as a Samsung fan, I like the other brands including LG. The delta between them is very narrow and it's just a matter of personal taste.

So yeah, his LG is the best because it works for him. Geesh!
post #40 of 57
Spend enough time here and you will see most people fall into two distinct camps. Those who by the "best" and justify the money they spent by constantly saying how much better it is than everything else, and those who buy lower level stuff and justify they money they saved by claiming their tv is just as good as the better ones.

I have not seen the LG in person, but I have seen years and years of posts placing the LG a distant third behind panasonic and samsung. This panel may be great now, but it can be hard to overcome 4 years of thinking they make an inferior product. Similar to how Hyundai is fighting an uphill battle with an improved product after years of making junk.
post #41 of 57
return that pos vizio for motion the plasma are 2nd to none . lcd are bull$* in this manner.

get the samsung plasma for $8xx its an incredible pq blacks are amazing. do not be fooled into viewing in the store as the lighting is hid and in our homes we have cfl huge differene,, your home is not same as the
store.

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Originally Posted by archer75 View Post

The reason I ask is because I picked up a vizio e601i-a3 at costco and i'm still within my return period. It's a nice tv for the most part. Bright and colors pop. Off angle viewing isn't great though I usually sit dead center. Backlight uniformity issues and black levels could be better. The usual LCD tv stuff.

I looked at the samsung in the store and it was way too dim. However i've turned the backlight down on the vizio almost half way in my home so I imagine at this point they must be similar. So hard to choose a TV in a store. About the only thing you can do is buy several and take them home and see.

I paid $850 for the vizio and see that costco dropped the price to $760 so i'll get them to give me the difference if I don't just return it in favor of a plasma.

lg has more input lag then the samsung , the pq is worse as well. seems to me either you deal with the flicker or dont get it. because lg imo is not even in league.

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Originally Posted by Tatti Titti View Post

has some compared both regarding the plasma flicker. 
i want a plasma realy bad, but the samsung has still to much flicker for my eyes, has the lg less ?
post #42 of 57
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Originally Posted by Tommygun45 View Post

Oh, Im sorry. I guess my assumption about you being the kind of person who 'makes grand statements' and then provides 'no evidence, counter examples, or even remote discourse on the topic' thus making their original statement at best pointless, at worst blatant fanboyism was way off. Hmm. What to do with the rest of my day? Maybe I could go change my diaper. Or maybe you could enlighten us as to all of the TV's out there in the wild that are superior to the PN5700 that are also $600. I am awaiting your guidance and wisdom with bated breath. 

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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

This is the sort of smug arrogance that typifies so many. The man is happy with his plasma. You act as if there is a huge night and day difference between the plasma sets, even the now defunct kuro.
Even as a Samsung fan, I like the other brands including LG. The delta between them is very narrow and it's just a matter of personal taste.

So yeah, his LG is the best because it works for him. Geesh!
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Originally Posted by Tommygun45 View Post

Oh, Im sorry. I guess my assumption about you being the kind of person who 'makes grand statements' and then provides 'no evidence, counter examples, or even remote discourse on the topic' thus making their original statement at best pointless, at worst blatant fanboyism was way off. Hmm. What to do with the rest of my day? Maybe I could go change my diaper. Or maybe you could enlighten us as to all of the TV's out there in the wild that are superior to the PN5700 that are also $600. I am awaiting your guidance and wisdom with bated breath. 



Some very sensitive girly men around here I see. cool.gif

Please go back and read my posts before you offer your own commentaries.

Had I ever said Samsung was way better than LG? Had I ever said LG sucks? If you can't answer Yes to any of those questions, please refrain from jumping to conclusions.

Early reviews on the LG were not "stellar", which mean people were not raving about it like it's the best panel in its class. Is it a good value for its price? I am sure it probably is.

While shopping for a new plasma, I looked at both LG and Samsung and the decision was made easy by the very impressive calibrated measurements around here, as well as a historically better regarded plasma panel.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1503133/samsung-pn51f5300-what-a-little-gem-i1pro-calibration-results-inside

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1509791/cant-get-2-pt-grayscale-controls-on-samsung-pn51f5300-plasma-to-affect-anything-above-60-stim-help
post #43 of 57
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post



Some very sensitive girly men around here I see. cool.gif

Please go back and read my posts before you offer your own commentaries.

Had I ever said Samsung was way better than LG? Had I ever said LG sucks? If you can't answer Yes to any of those questions, please refrain from jumping to conclusions.

Early reviews on the LG were not "stellar", which mean people were not raving about it like it's the best panel in its class. Is it a good value for its price? I am sure it probably is.

While shopping for a new plasma, I looked at both LG and Samsung and the decision was made easy by the very impressive calibrated measurements around here, as well as a historically better regarded plasma panel.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1503133/samsung-pn51f5300-what-a-little-gem-i1pro-calibration-results-inside

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1509791/cant-get-2-pt-grayscale-controls-on-samsung-pn51f5300-plasma-to-affect-anything-above-60-stim-help

After near 2 weeks, you finally got a pair and this is what you come back with!
I'm so past this. Go enjoy your TV
post #44 of 57
Now I know the following review isn't for the exact same LG plasma, but it's close:

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/lg-pn6500-review/the-science

"One of the worst black levels we've seen on a plasma TV.

LG, where did you go wrong? The black level on the PN6500 is so bad that it only manages to get a contrast ratio of 610:1. These days, a contrast ratio of 1000:1 is considered average, and we typically see televisions do much better than this. That's why the PN6500 is such a surprise. Its white level of 122.60 cd/m2 is fairly bright for a plasma display, but having a black level of 0.2 cd/m2 almost defeats the purpose this technology. Why buy a plasma TV if it doesn't have a good black level?

LG-PN6500-Contrast.jpg
A black level this bright should not be seen on a plasma TV.
We noticed that content on the PN6500 had a muted appearance as a result of its shoddy contrast. This is why a TV's black and white levels are so important to picture quality—they help give a more lifelike image. Isn't that what you want in a display? Unfortunately, the PN6500's picture simply looks "meh."
"
Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 2/17/14 at 2:02pm
post #45 of 57
This one fares somewhat better, but looks like a premium model:

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/lg-60ph6700-plasma-tv-review/the-science

"Not eye-popping, but not terrible

Previous LG plasmas, like the PA6500, produced atypically-bright black levels, so I had my doubts about the PH6700. I'm happy to say that LG proved me wrong—mostly.

contrast.jpg
While a black level of 0.07 isn't bad, we expect much darker for a plasma.
The PH6700's black level of 0.07 cd/m2 is decent, although it can't compete with closely-priced plasma TVs from Panasonic and Samsung. And even though this isn't a bad result, don't expect eye-popping visuals. The bigger the "contrast" between white and black, the more detail is shown; on the PH6700, movie scenes appear slightly dull.

Is this the end of the world? No. Content still looks great on this LG—especially for the price. But if you're a hardcore TV enthusiast who places a premium on contrast, you'll be disappointed with the PH6700.
"
Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 2/17/14 at 2:02pm
post #46 of 57
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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

After near 2 weeks, you finally got a pair and this is what you come back with!
I'm so past this. Go enjoy your TV



Sorry, I've been too busy enjoying my TV to reply to your post.

I suggest you do the same wink.gif

Btw, I browsed through that PN5700 owner post and have yet to see a calibrated measurement by the owners around here.
post #47 of 57
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Now I know the following review isn't for the exact same LG plasma, but it's close:

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/lg-pn6500-review/the-science

"One of the worst black levels we've seen on a plasma TV.

LG, where did you go wrong? The black level on the PN6500 is so bad that it only manages to get a contrast ratio of 610:1. These days, a contrast ratio of 1000:1 is considered average, and we typically see televisions do much better than this. That's why the PN6500 is such a surprise. Its white level of 122.60 cd/m2 is fairly bright for a plasma display, but having a black level of 0.2 cd/m2 almost defeats the purpose this technology. Why buy a plasma TV if it doesn't have a good black level?

LG-PN6500-Contrast.jpg
A black level this bright should not be seen on a plasma TV.
We noticed that content on the PN6500 had a muted appearance as a result of its shoddy contrast. This is why a TV's black and white levels are so important to picture quality—they help give a more lifelike image. Isn't that what you want in a display? Unfortunately, the PN6500's picture simply looks "meh."

 

I have literally no idea where this "review" came up with these numbers and conclusions?  This bad of a black level performance isn't mentioned in ANY other LG plasma reviews I've seen and certainly doesn't mesh with my own personal experience with my PN5000, which has very good black levels (definitely not inky black like some of the Panny's I've seen but much MUCH better than my other LED set).  Obviously my set was only $600 so I didn't expect it to rival a $1500 plasma in terms of sheer picture quality but it is much better than any of the far more expensive LED sets I've seen... 


For example, here is PC Mag's take on the PN5300 (which is again very similar to the other PN series plasma's):

 

Performance
We test HDTVs with a Klein K10-A colorimeter, DisplayMate's test patterns, and SpectraCal's CalMAN 5 software after basic darkroom calibration. The PN5300 doesn't get particularly bright, reaching a maximum of 135.9656 cd/m2. Its black level of 0.0449 cd/m2 is decent for a budget plasma screen, but not especially dark, and these middling levels make a contrast ratio of 3,028:1. It performs well for its price, but it isn't amazing. Color accuracy is similarly decent but not perfect, as seen in the color chart below. The squares represent the ideal color levels based on CIE standards and the dots represent the measured levels. Red was slightly oversaturated and whites veered a little warmer than ideal, but all colors were in acceptable range.

 

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421409,00.asp


Edited by MegaTechPC - 2/18/14 at 8:33pm
post #48 of 57
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I have literally no idea where this "review" came up with these numbers and conclusions?  This bad of a black level performance isn't mentioned in ANY other LG plasma reviews I've seen and certainly doesn't mesh with my own personal experience with my PN5000, which has very good black levels (definitely not inky black like some of the Panny's I've seen but much MUCH better than my other LED set).  Obviously my set was only $600 so I didn't expect it to rival a $1500 plasma in terms of sheer picture quality but it is much better than any of the far more expensive LED sets I've seen... 


For example, here is PC Mag's take on the PN5300 (which is again very similar to the other PN series plasma's):

Performance

We test HDTVs with a Klein K10-A colorimeter, DisplayMate's test patterns, and SpectraCal's CalMAN 5 software after basic darkroom calibration. The PN5300 doesn't get particularly bright, reaching a maximum of 135.9656 cd/m2. Its black level of 0.0449 cd/m2 is decent for a budget plasma screen, but not especially dark, and these middling levels make a contrast ratio of 3,028:1. It performs well for its price, but it isn't amazing. Color accuracy is similarly decent but not perfect, as seen in the color chart below. The squares represent the ideal color levels based on CIE standards and the dots represent the measured levels. Red was slightly oversaturated and whites veered a little warmer than ideal, but all colors were in acceptable range.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421409,00.asp

odd, I'll look into it... though I will say when it comes to Native CR and Black Levels Panasonic > Samsung > LG (though Panasonic is out so it's just Samsung > LG for now)

my Samsung 51" F5300 is only $650 (was available for $600 for a while) and is a better performer than any comparable LG (as in around $600-$650) in terms of CR and Blacks (and it does very well with video processing in general, motion, and calibration too)
Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 2/19/14 at 8:36am
post #49 of 57
FWIW, my Samsung UN46EH6030 LED-LCD has a native CR of 3,000:1.

The PN51F5300 I have (with the 'risen' blacks of 0.006 fL or 0.02 cd/m^2) is around 6,000:1 to 7,000: 1 (depending on where you set the contrast control (optimized for digital 235 vs. 254) and what size white window you use to measure white level).
post #50 of 57
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odd, I'll look into it... though I will say when it comes to Native CR and Black Levels Panasonic > Samsung > LG (though Panasonic is out so it's just Samsung > LG for now)

my Samsung 51" F5300 is only $650 (was available for $600 for a while) and is a better performer than any comparable LG (as in around $600-$650) in terms of CR and Blacks (and it does very well with video processing in general, motion, and calibration too)

 

I would agree with your ranking of black levels (Panny > Samsung > LG) but my point is that the difference is not that great especially for more than double the price of the 60PN5000 (and all three plasma's offer far better blacks than do most LED's).  I would also say its fine to rate your Samsung over comparably priced LG's in overall picture quality with one big caveat:  The LG is a 60" TV which is massively larger than a 51" and still for that same $600.  To me any slight advantage the Samsung has in picture quality is overwhelmed by that screen real estate advantage the LG has.  Of course this is subjective and others undoubtedly would disagree but that's just the way I see it...

post #51 of 57
Those LGs really need the black tweak to truly fly. I once had an LG plasma too, unfortunately its black level was barely better than the IPS LCDs. After modding, it was almost as good as Samsung plasmas. As a side-bonus, it burnt less electricity and put out less heat. Its abysmal ABL had been improved too.
post #52 of 57
My 60 inch LG PA6500's black levels exceed that of my Samsung 60PNE530 with the black tweaks (and surpasses it in motion resolution). Assuming these 2013 sets are just as tweakable, you won't find a better TV for $600. Even before the tweaks, it was hard to notice a black level difference unless you had them in a dark room, side-by-side.
post #53 of 57
for sub $700 i rather have a 51 inch samsung plasma over a 60 lg ; size is important but not as important as the picture quality. and im enjoying my 60 inch f5300 thats why i havnt been here on avs .
post #54 of 57
I looked at the Samsung 60 and 51 inch 5350 at Costco but the grey looking screen really turned me off and of course I really didn't want to take the chance of getting a buzzer. I ended up getting the LG 5300 and am very impressed with it, glare is nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be, picture is plenty bright blacks look adequate and PQ can be excellent with good source material. I got the 5300 for $499.00 at Micro Center and bought the Square Trade warranty at Costco for $29.99, all together a total of $559.00, I'm pretty shocked at the PQ for this little cost.
Edited by philtubes - 2/20/14 at 6:25pm
post #55 of 57
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Originally Posted by gus738 View Post

for sub $700 i rather have a 51 inch samsung plasma over a 60 lg ; size is important but not as important as the picture quality. and im enjoying my 60 inch f5300 thats why i havnt been here on avs .

 

Congrats, I'm glad you are enjoying your setup!  I completely disagree with you though.  I'd much rather have a 60" TV that has only a slightly worse picture than a 51".  I would agree with you if the LG's picture quality was terrible but its not.

post #56 of 57
Totally agree. You will seldom notice the PQ difference. You will always notice the screen size difference.
post #57 of 57

I had a friend who calibrated tv's and the pq on his tv looked ridiculous. Washed out, almost no contrast, but you could "see the detail" in black areas. I can also see details in the shadows on my tv, even in scenes which also have areas which are supposed to be jet black (and are).

 

Also, he may as well have used his sub as a coffee table for all the bass it was putting out. I don't calibrate my sets, I tweak them until I get them as close to perfection as possible, then tweak again when I get "setting fatigue", same with my audio system, and I defy anyone to tell me my tv and sound system look and sound like crap.

 

And believe me when I tell you, I'm not one of those people who thinks the brightest display in the store is the "best". I know a good picture when I see it. My current tv is the "bottom of the line" LG 60PN5000 that I paid $558 for at Walmart. 

 

Not trying to stop anyone from calibrating their sets if they want to. I just don't see the point. And no, it wasn't because my friend doesn't know how to calibrate. I've seen side by side comparisons of calibrated vs. non-calibrated tvs at Best Buy and other electronics stores and the "calibrated" sets look just as bad.

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