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post #31 of 162
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BTW, I am only half joking about the $500 sub. I am short listing HSU STF-2 and VTF-2, and Outlaw LFM-1 EX and LFM-1 Plus. I see SVS is highly regarded, and I would have put them on my short list of they had a metal grill. I would hate to kick and damage an expensive piece of equipment, so I will probably go with down-firing sub.

Yep. My SB-1000 has a cloth cover. Seems like that's what they might be moving to with their new sub series. Although I think if you have room for the LFM-1 EX, you could probably easily place an SB-1000 or a PB-1000 such that you would be unlikely to kick it. The EX is a monster in comparison (be sure to make certain you have room for placement).
post #32 of 162
The PB and SB-1000 have cloth grilles, but the new 2000 series have metal ones.
post #33 of 162
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The PB and SB-1000 have cloth grilles, but the new 2000 series have metal ones.

That's good to know smile.gif
post #34 of 162
Thread Starter 

@ zieglj01, How do you wire your E60? They support bi-amplification. Is there a way, and is there a reason to bi-wire them as, say, mains and surrounds?

post #35 of 162
Bi-wiring offers no audio SQ benefits. It's a gimmick to sell speakers to audiophiles.
post #36 of 162
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Bi-wiring offers no audio SQ benefits. It's a gimmick to sell speakers to audiophiles.


What if the tweeter and woofer are connected to different channels (e.g. woofer as main, tweeter as surround)? Or am I talking nonsense?

post #37 of 162
Unless you have more than 1 amp, bi-amping won't benefit you in any possible way. I tried doing the same thing with my E60's a few years ago when my audio knowledge was little to none. Absolutely no change in sound.
post #38 of 162
Take note, forget about bi-wiring > that speaker has a good crossover. And also,
is one of the best measured speakers period, from 200 to 10 khz. .> The Denon
in regular wire mode, will be fine with that good speaker.

Your Sony is OK for now.
post #39 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

@ zieglj01, How do you wire your E60? They support bi-amplification. Is there a way, and is there a reason to bi-wire them as, say, mains and surrounds.

I answered above - however repeat - That is a good passive crossover in the speaker.
Regular/normal hook-up is fine. Nothing magical is needed for the E60.
post #40 of 162
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What if the tweeter and woofer are connected to different channels (e.g. woofer as main, tweeter as surround)? Or am I talking nonsense?

That would make a mess of the sound.

True biamping comes from using separate amps and an active crossover to achieve better SQ results. Your speakers are not setup for that, and even if they were, it would require some additional expensive equipment.
post #41 of 162
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That would make a mess of the sound.

True biamping comes from using separate amps and an active crossover to achieve better SQ results. Your speakers are not setup for that, and even if they were, it would require some additional expensive equipment.
+1
post #42 of 162
A few other suggestions. You may achieve better SQ by toeing your speakers in toward your listening position and/or aiming the tweeters at your ears at the listening position. You also mentioned using your laptop as the source for your music. Are you running optical or HDMI output from your computer to your receiver? If not, that could improve the SQ for often the headphone/line out on laptops is not too great for sound quality, but your new Denon will have a good DAC in comparison to many laptops. Finally, learn about the features on your Denon receiver. You may not need your DFX sound enhancer software any more as the Denon has Audyssey MultEQ XT and Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.
post #43 of 162
Thread Starter 

Thank you guys. Points taken.

 

@cel4115: I currently listen through the laptop's headphone jack, which allows me to use DFX. Part of the reason of choosing a newer generation Denon vs older Sony ES (the two contenders for the receiver upgrade) was to make the listening easier to my wife. I hope that the Denon will have good processing and I will no longer need the DFX software, thus eliminating the laptop altogether.

post #44 of 162
Thread Starter 

Can we get back to the subwoofer question: Other than the brief time spent in the sound rooms in the audio stores, I have not listened to a system with a good subwoofer, but I tend to agree that it is an important piece in the audio setup. That said, I wonder what should I focus my research on, based on my listening requirements.

 

I will use it in the bedroom. It is approximately 14x12 feet, with hardwood floor over a chipboard subfloor (no cement), and I am mostly listening to music; on occasion, we will watch a movie, but if I must choose a sub for one purpose, it would be music. I don't plan to listen to it very loud, so great quality over low to moderate volume is more important than maximum power. Based on reviews and discussions, I thought that SVS SB-1000 would be the perfect sub for me, because it is small, and from what I gather, very musical. However, I am concerned with the front-firing driver not being protected enough by the cloth grill, so I am looking at down-firing subs, unless someone can recommend a compact quality front-firing sub with a metal grill. @cel4145: Thank you for pointing the dimensions of LFM-1 EX; I didn't realize how big it is. So I should perhaps consider the HSU STF-1 and VTF-1 as well, based on their smaller size.

 

As most review and discussions of subs are around their suitability in HT applications, my focus is mostly on music, so can anyone comment on whether the low frequencies are as important in music applications? Another question is about positioning: A salesman told me that a down-firing sub should be placed away from walls to allow the soundwaves to travel freely, but I also read comments that the it doesn't really matter. As it is, I can only place a sub close to a wall. Do you think a front-firing sub is a must with such positioning, or it really doesn't matter much?

 

Thanks,

-Stan

post #45 of 162
I will take the HSU STF-2 over the STF-1
post #46 of 162
Thread Starter 

I understand that the VTF is more configurable, whereas STF is fixed configuration. What is the best application of STF (compared to VTF): music or movies, quiet or loud?

post #47 of 162
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I understand that the VTF is more configurable, whereas STF is fixed configuration. What is the best application of STF (compared to VTF): music or movies, quiet or loud?

Except for hybrid-tuning in the VTF-1, I do not see any real difference from the STF-2

They can both do music and movies, and are big enough for mainly music in your room.

If one was to upgrade from the STF-2 > the better and most likely upgrade is the VTF-2

I would skip the STF-1

It comes down to what you want to spend
post #48 of 162
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Based on reviews and discussions, I thought that SVS SB-1000 would be the perfect sub for me, because it is small, and from what I gather, very musical. However, I am concerned with the front-firing driver not being protected enough by the cloth grill, so I am looking at down-firing subs, unless someone can recommend a compact quality front-firing sub with a metal grill. @cel4145: Thank you for pointing the dimensions of LFM-1 EX; I didn't realize how big it is. So I should perhaps consider the HSU STF-1 and VTF-1 as well, based on their smaller size.

Since you were considering the more expensive Outlaw EX, note that SVS does still have some of the SVS SB12-NSDs at $649. This is a model up from the SB-1000 and it has the metal grill. It's smaller than the STF-2, but more than enough output for your size room. Should be a better sounding sub than the HSUs you are looking at. Here's a review: http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/sb12-nsd-subwoofer/sb12-nsd-listening
post #49 of 162
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Any comments on placement? Is it truth that a down-firing sub has to be away from walls, or is it a myth? Does a front-firing have to point toward you?

post #50 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

Thanks for the suggestion.
Any comments on placement? Is it truth that a down-firing sub has to be away from walls, or is it a myth? Does a front-firing have to point toward you?

Do the subwoofer crawl wink.gif
post #51 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

Thanks for the suggestion.
Any comments on placement? Is it truth that a down-firing sub has to be away from walls, or is it a myth? Does a front-firing have to point toward you?

You can put the downfiring close to the wall. You turn the front firing to the side and aim at a corner if you like.
post #52 of 162
Thread Starter 

Would you say that either of the discussed subs (SVS SB-1000 and SB12-NSD, HSU STF-2, VTF-1 and VTF-2, Outlaw LFM-1 Plus and EX) will pair well with the Boston Acoustics E60?

post #53 of 162
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Would you say that either of the discussed subs (SVS SB-1000 and SB12-NSD, HSU STF-2, VTF-1 and VTF-2, Outlaw LFM-1 Plus and EX) will pair well with the Boston Acoustics E60?

Yes, if you really want high/higher SPL and deeper lows.

The main thing is not to get a cheap mushy/boom type sub, that will not
blend well, with the Boston E60 clean and tight bass character.

Even with good subs, they still need to be set up properly.
Edited by zieglj01 - 2/2/14 at 6:29pm
post #54 of 162
I personally had the E60's and the SVS SB12-NSD in the same room for many months. They worked beautifully together. There's no such thing as matching speakers with subs, their frequencies are too low to give off characteristics that would fight the speakers characteristics. The sealed SB12-NSD produces tight sounding clean bass, that makes music come alive on the low end. The expansive highs of the E60's and the deep lows of the SB12 is a real treat when they work together.
post #55 of 162
Thread Starter 

Thanks guys.

 

Does the floor type matter for a down-firing in the power range we are discussing? I see some post mentioning the type of floor and foundation? Also, I see that these down-firing subs have pointy legs; I hope they are not made to go into the wood and "nail" the sub to the floor...

post #56 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

Thanks guys.

Does the floor type matter for a down-firing in the power range we are discussing? I see some post mentioning the type of floor and foundation? Also, I see that these down-firing subs have pointy legs; I hope they are not made to go into the wood and "nail" the sub to the floor...

Buy a rug big enough to stick under the subwoofer.
post #57 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

Would you say that either of the discussed subs (SVS SB-1000 and SB12-NSD, HSU STF-2, VTF-1 and VTF-2, Outlaw LFM-1 Plus and EX) will pair well with the Boston Acoustics E60?

Yes. Although some of these subs would have better SQ than others.

But I would drop the EX off your list. The EX and the Plus use the same driver and amp, and they would both be equivalent in SQ. The primary difference is the enclosure size which makes the EX more powerful and reach down a little lower (a couple of hz) in one port mode. If it were me--and I own an Outlaw EX--I would get the Plus over the EX for there's very little benefit getting the EX over the Plus for your size room, and the smaller size of the Plus would seem a bigger benefit in a bedroom setup.
post #58 of 162
Thread Starter 
I guess I will have to take a step back. I took a box with the approximate dimensions of VTF-1. and placed it in the room where I was imagining the sub would sit. It was just too big. So Outlaw is out of the question. I could probably convince myself and my wife that VTF-1 or STF-2 deserve the place they would occupy, but right now, the SVS SB-1000 looks more and more attractive. I will give SVS a call and check whether they can get a metal grill on the SB-1000.

Meanwhile, can you recommend any other compact subs?
post #59 of 162
It depends on what you want to spend. I think the SB-1000 is probably the lowest you can go with compact subs before you start taking a hit in performance. There aren't many sealed subs in the <$500 range, and anything smaller will be 8"/10" and ported.

If you want something more, the SB-2000 is $699, and the older SB12-NSD it replaced is $649 while supplies last. Rythmik makes sealed subs, but you won't get anything compact until the $800 price point.
post #60 of 162
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I guess I will have to take a step back. I took a box with the approximate dimensions of VTF-1. and placed it in the room where I was imagining the sub would sit. It was just too big. So Outlaw is out of the question. I could probably convince myself and my wife that VTF-1 or STF-2 deserve the place they would occupy, but right now, the SVS SB-1000 looks more and more attractive. I will give SVS a call and check whether they can get a metal grill on the SB-1000.

Meanwhile, can you recommend any other compact subs?

There is another option if you are interested - since your goal is mainly music.
If you are not seeking the highest SPL's or the lowest notes. >> The Mordaunt
Short Aviano 7 will be a good option. > The grill has plastic protection across it.
It also has a built in bass equalizer-notch filter (variable), that you can control
and turn on or off. It is bottom ported.

Picture of the back with all controls
http://www.soundandvision.com/images/archivesart/410mordant.bac.jpg

In larger rooms than yours - it is still 92 db at 25 hz

I for sure would take a look at it for your needs >> and the word has been all around
good for music - and the color is good. There are some decent non ID subs around.

Mordaunt Short Aviano 7 - a real good price with free shipping
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MORDAVI7RW/Mordaunt-Short-Aviano-7-10-175-Watt-Powered-Subwoofer-Rose/1.html

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MORDAVI7WN/Mordaunt-Short-Aviano-7-10-175-Watt-Powered-Subwoofer-Wnt/1.html

Picture of the grill
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb439/aviss23/A1_zpsc5416a95.jpg
Edited by zieglj01 - 2/3/14 at 11:55am
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