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post #61 of 162
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Thanks, transmaniacon and andzieglj01. I checked the SB-12 NSD, and it looks it is being replaced by the new SB-2000, and is in the same price neighborhood. I found little information on Mordaunt Short Aviano 7; will read some more.

 

Meanwhile, I did some more measuring and thinking. STF-2 and VTF-1 will be too large for my room. Size-wise, these SVS cubes look really attractive.

 

Since I have never has a real sub, I decided to educate myself first a bit. On my way home from work I stopped at Magnolia Audio store, and asked if they can recommend something compact and musical. The salesperson recommended REL. He turned on the T-Zero first. It has a 6.5 inch driver. Strong sound, but a bit too forceful. I could tell that the sub is trying to make its way through, and it wasn't blending well with the Martin Logan Motion 15 bookshelves I asked him to play it with. Next, he switched to the REL T-7. The sound was much more refined, gentle and fluid, and I could not really pinpoint the sub's position. I guess this is what I should be looking for? Anyway, I liked it a lot. The REL T-7 has an 8 inch driver on the bottom and a 10-inch radiator on the front. In the store, I didn't realize it is a radiator, and in fact I had to look up the definition once I read the specs. The T-7's size is very agreeable, too. Just a tad over 14 inch, right between the SB-1000 and SB-2000. At $999, though, it is more than what I think of as a reasonable price for my situation. I asked him to switch to the Martin Logan Dynamo 700. In comparison to the REL's T-7, the Dynamo sounded really bad. It is all relative, of course, and perhaps it was not tuned properly, but to me it was clear which one I liked better.

 

I am sharing this, as I am more and more leaning toward a sealed SVS based on their size and great reviews, and would like to ask if someone has heard the REL subs and whether SVS SB-1000 or SB-2000 can compare to the T-7 in terms of musicality.

 

Thanks!


Edited by stgatev - 2/3/14 at 11:21pm
post #62 of 162
If you have the budget, I would look at the SVS SB-1000 sub over the Mordaunt Short

The Mordaunt Short was recommended for a tight budget, and one who listens to a lot
of music, plus you can fine tune/correct the bass - and I am thinking about buying it.
The sub, will still have nice SPL at around 25 hz in your room > more than 92 db

The word on the REL is nice >> however, the money is more than I care to spend, and
looks to be over priced. I would prefer at least, a 10 inch sub driver.

Your call
Edited by zieglj01 - 2/4/14 at 8:33am
post #63 of 162
I would wager the SB-2000 is a better sub than the REL, typically brick & mortar brands carry a price premium. The SB-1000 is probably pretty close to the REL; it's hard to beat internet direct value.
post #64 of 162
The 1st review on the SVS website on the sb-2000 states that has a considerably more fulfilling low end under 23hz than the sb12-NSD (Which he replaced). This makes me wonder if I should upgrade biggrin.gif
post #65 of 162
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The 1st review on the SVS website on the sb-2000 states that has a considerably more fulfilling low end under 23hz than the sb12-NSD (Which he replaced). This makes me wonder if I should upgrade biggrin.gif

I think a lot of people will for the extra extension. Which is why the deal for someone like stgatev could be a refurbished SB12. SVS is listing them as they are traded in for the new model because of that one year trade up policy.
post #66 of 162
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The 1st review on the SVS website on the sb-2000 states that has a considerably more fulfilling low end under 23hz than the sb12-NSD (Which he replaced). This makes me wonder if I should upgrade biggrin.gif

Depends on how much of a head-banger you are - and how big of a bomb you want in your room!
post #67 of 162
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Another question: Can the SVS subs (SB-1000, SB-12 NSD, or SB-2000) be listened to quietly? From what I gather, they can be loud when needed, but are they sensitive enough as to allow enjoying music at night without waking up the kids upstairs?

post #68 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

Another question: Can the SVS subs (SB-1000, SB-12 NSD, or SB-2000) be listened to quietly? From what I gather, they can be loud when needed, but are they sensitive enough as to allow enjoying music at night without waking up the kids upstairs?

They have a volume control
post #69 of 162
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What I meant was, do they play well at low volumes? With some speakers, I have to bump up the volume in order to hear all frequencies. I am not sure how subs go -- I understand that the SVS play well in all frequencies, but this measurements were taken at certain power level, correct? I am not sure how this nominal power level translates to perceived volume, and whether at low volume the curve will be as flat.

post #70 of 162
I have the SVS SB12-NSD and it plays very well at low volumes (it's a nicely detailed sub).
post #71 of 162
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

I have the SVS SB12-NSD and it plays very well at low volumes (it's a nicely detailed sub).


Thanks!

post #72 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

What I meant was, do they play well at low volumes? With some speakers, I have to bump up the volume in order to hear all frequencies. I am not sure how subs go --

That is still my answer smile.gif In most cases (sub), you are giving up some db level - there is no real guarantee,
based on an individual preference. However, it will still help to fill in the lower octaves - Enjoy!
Edited by zieglj01 - 2/5/14 at 8:20am
post #73 of 162
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Another contender came into the picture... Rythmik F12. Lots of people say it is their choice for music. The 15 inch cabinet is slightly bigger than the SB-2000, and costs more. Has anyone done a direct comparison between Rythmik's  F12 and SVS SB-1000, SB12-NSD, or SB-2000?

post #74 of 162
I honestly don't think you can go wrong with any of the subs from SVS, Rythmik, HSU, Outlaw or Powersound.

Generally speaking ...
- The under $450 "budget" subs will work for HT but may be to blurry/muddy for music.
- The $500-$600 subs are excellent for HT and will work fine for music.
- Any of the $650+ subs will be excellent for both HT and music.

Beyond that variables will be cabinet size (what fits in your space), how much below-20hz performance you want, single vs dual sub, etc.

Personally ... I've heard/auditioned SVS and Rythmik and both sounded excellent on music. The smaller cabinet size was important to me at the time so I kept the SVS wink.gif
post #75 of 162
If you are considering any of those SVS subs, the SB-2000 is the clear winner in terms of output per dollar. I have the SB12-NSD and I'm looking for more output in my Hip-Hop music. I do have a giant room though. cool.gif The SB-2000 is #1 on my list of sealed subs to upgrade to.
post #76 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

Another contender came into the picture... Rythmik F12. Lots of people say it is their choice for music. The 15 inch cabinet is slightly bigger than the SB-2000, and costs more. Has anyone done a direct comparison between Rythmik's  F12 and SVS SB-1000, SB12-NSD, or SB-2000?
With the subs you are looking at - it all tends to come down to preference/taste (spl and lows), other than that -
it is subtle differences and nit-picking in sound quality.

You are only looking at a 14 x 12 room for mainly music, and lower level listening. Most music will be 40 hz and up.

Your call
post #77 of 162
Thread Starter 

Thank you guys for chiming in. I will take my time and hopefully choose smartly.

Meanwhile, I am expecting my Denon 2113CI to arrive by the end of the week, and see how the E60-s sound with it.

post #78 of 162
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UPDATE:

 

After having the E60 speakers for a little over two weeks, I feel no remorse, and I am glad I picked them up.

 

My new receiver arrived a week ago, and with it, they sound even better. It is a Denon AVR-2113CI. I run just the two speakers, no sub or satellites. I ran the Audyssey setup, although, to be honest, I am not sure how much it improved the sound. The Denon receiver made my laptop almost obsolete. I no longer feel the need to run the DFX audio enhancer, as the Denon does very nice processing. In addition, the network functions allow me listen to Pandora, Spotify, and to my music library, which I now have on a hard disk connected to my DLNA-capable router. The networking features on the Denon receiver are crude, but with some patience and keeping in mind it is not a true computer, it does the job. The sound quality is there, and I can tolerate the rest.

 

Back to the speakers: I am not sure if I am making it up, or my ears are getting more accustomed to them, but they seem to sound better with each passing day. I am mostly listening to low levels (-55 to -30 db), and I am satisfied with the quality. At really low levels some details are lost, but even then, I truly enjoy the sound. I have been falling asleep to Luis Eduardo Aute (spotify:album:3eiUKyEarSxAvjZLqIJ1M6), Norah Jones, and Jack Johnson. My wife enjoys them, too. I re-ran some of the songs that I tested the speakers with while I still ran them with my Sony receiver, and the results were much better. Amelie's Comptine D' un Autre Ete (spotify:track:2AkcjsKlRbIBYGAgpQVFii) (all mids), which caused my Sony to screech, was rendered beautifully. Alan Parson's Chomolungma (spotify:track:37veAUXK18sLzKipleNWAB) (all bass) sounded a lot more like the real deal even without a subwoofer.

 

BTW, I took zieglj's recommendation and purchased a Modraunt-Short Aviano 7 sub. $279 seemed a good price, and the compact size will hopefully make up for the limited frequency range at the lower end. It should be here in a week. If anyone is interested, I can my post my observations.

 

Question: does anyone know if the EFL speaker stands are still sold anywhere?

post #79 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

After having the E60 speakers for a little over two weeks, I feel no remorse, and I am glad I picked them up.

My new receiver arrived a week ago, and with it, they sound even better. It is a Denon AVR-2113CI. I run just the two speakers, no sub or satellites. I ran the Audyssey setup, although, to be honest, I am not sure how much it improved the sound. I re-ran some of the songs that I tested the speakers with while I still ran them with my Sony receiver, and the results were much better. Amelie'sComptine D' un Autre Ete (spotify:track:2AkcjsKlRbIBYGAgpQVFii) (all mids), which caused my Sony to screech, was rendered beautifully. Alan Parson's Chomolungma (spotify:track:37veAUXK18sLzKipleNWAB) (all bass) sounded a lot more like the real deal even without a subwoofer.

BTW, I took zieglj's recommendation and purchased a Modraunt-Short Aviano 7 sub. $279 seemed a good price, and the compact size will hopefully make up for the limited frequency range at the lower end. It should be here in a week. If anyone is interested, I can my post my observations.

Question: does anyone know if the EFL speaker stands are still sold anywhere?

I am glad that you still really like them - they do have rich detail - and some real nice
good bass for their size. I fired Audyssey, I am not a fan of it.

I can not find any EFL stands at this time - however, they can work on other stands

My Mordaunt Short Aviano 7 sub, will be here on Thursday - I will also be interested
in your thoughts.

A closer up look of the sub - The Aviano 7 has an aluminum woofer (cool)
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/general-av-discussions/86935-what-new-stuff-have-you-bought-if-you-care-share-thead-58.html#post1017764
Edited by zieglj01 - 2/18/14 at 3:07am
post #80 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

Back to the speakers: I am not sure if I am making it up, or my ears are getting more accustomed to them, but they seem to sound better with each passing day. I am mostly listening to low levels (-55 to -30 db), and I am satisfied with the quality. At really low levels some details are lost, but even then, I truly enjoy the sound. I have been falling asleep to Luis Eduardo Aute (spotify:album:3eiUKyEarSxAvjZLqIJ1M6), Norah Jones, and Jack Johnson. My wife enjoys them, too. I re-ran some of the songs that I tested the speakers with while I still ran them with my Sony receiver, and the results were much better. Amelie'sComptine D' un Autre Ete (spotify:track:2AkcjsKlRbIBYGAgpQVFii) (all mids), which caused my Sony to screech, was rendered beautifully. Alan Parson's Chomolungma (spotify:track:37veAUXK18sLzKipleNWAB) (all bass) sounded a lot more like the real deal even without a subwoofer.

Glad you like your new setup smile.gif

I think we do get psychologically adjusted to new speakers over time, as we "learn" to listen for the nuances of them. So makes total sense to me smile.gif
post #81 of 162
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

I can not find any EFL stands at this time - however, they can work on other stands
 

Can you tell me which stands would match?

post #82 of 162
post #83 of 162
Also look at VTI DF-29 stands - they will have a deeper top plate.
http://www.wayfair.com/VTI-RF-Series-29-Fixed-Height-Speaker-Stand-Set-of-2-RF-VI1167.html#reviews

UF-29 stands
http://www.wayfair.com/VTI-UF-Series-29-Fixed-Height-Speaker-Stand-Set-of-2-UF-VI1171.html

Also, sold on Amazon
Edited by zieglj01 - 2/18/14 at 1:28pm
post #84 of 162
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How do you secure the speakers to the plates?

post #85 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

How do you secure the speakers to the plates?

Use some blu tac...inexpensive & once it sets, your speakers will be secure.
post #86 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

How do you secure the speakers to the plates?

They will rest on the top-plate - that is why I recommended the VTI, they are
8 inches deep. The stands are strong. As stated above - you can use Blu-tac.
Also using stands will limit the reflections that you get, when you do place a
speaker on a cabinet or dresser.
post #87 of 162
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I learned something new today :)

 

Thanks!

post #88 of 162
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

My Mordaunt Short Aviano 7 sub, will be here on Thursday

 

Mine arrived today. I hooked it up and am currently listening to some Yo-Yo Ma tracks. First impression is that it blends very well with the E60. I can hardly tell it is there. I am not sure what to look for yet, so I will let myself just to listen some more and decide, entirely subjectively, whether I like it or not.

 

zieglj, how do you like yours so far?

post #89 of 162
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Originally Posted by stgatev View Post

Mine arrived today. I hooked it up and am currently listening to some Yo-Yo Ma tracks. First impression is that it blends very well with the E60. I can hardly tell it is there. I am not sure what to look for yet, so I will let myself just to listen some more and decide, entirely subjectively, whether I like it or not.

zieglj, how do you like yours so far?

I like it, it is really nice > when a sub works well for music, it should blend well with the
speakers, and not really sound distracting or draw attention. > This sub is musical and
tight, and works good with the Boston E60.

This sub is also real nice for movies, games and TV >> it is my recommendation for a
budget of around $300 {the sub use to list for $599}

If you have any questions, then feel free to ask
Edited by zieglj01 - 2/22/14 at 9:54pm
post #90 of 162
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

If you have any questions, then feel free to ask

Actually, yes. Can you offer any tips on configuration with the E60 speakers? Currently, I have the speakers configured the following way on my receiver:

 

Audio

    Subwoofer Level

        Subwoofer: On

        Subwoofer Level: -10.5db

    Audyssey

        MultiEQ XT: Audyssey

        Dynamic EQ: On

        Reference Level Offset: 0db

        Dynamic Volume: Off

Speakers

    Speaker Config

        Front: Small

        Center: None

        Subwoofer: Yes

        Surround: None

    Bass

        Subwoofer Mode: LFE

        LPF for LFE: 120 Hz

    Crossovers

        Crossover: Individual

        Front: 40Hz

 

On the back of the sub, I have all knobs in middle position; Phase is at 0 degrees, and the Variable Notch Filter is OFF.

I used the Monster subwoofer cable that came free with the sub, connected to the Left input (I did not connect the Right).

 

The receiver configuration is result of the Audyssey calibration with the exception of me turning off the Dynamic Volume.

 

Thanks!

-Stan

 

 

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