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post #31 of 98
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No harm, no foul, oink. smile.gif
Thank you for not taking offense.

I think all of us admirers of great actors will regret the lose of PSH before his time.frown.gif
There are so many memorable performances.....
post #32 of 98
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Damn I'm so heart broken.
One of my favorite actors of all time.


His role in Boogie Nights is one of my favorites of his. The awkwardness he portrays is epic. He elevated everything he was in if you ask me.
post #33 of 98
Fantastic actor, even as a supporting actor.

R I P
post #34 of 98
There have been very few actors/actresses that I've been saddened by their passing. This man is one of them. He had a way of imparting emotion and depth into every role I've ever had the pleasure of seeing him in. This will be a Phillip Seymour Hoffman week for me. Starting off tonight by taking the plastic off of Doubt.
post #35 of 98
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Not meaning to be "judgemental", but this happens to be the very first thing I thought of when I heard of Hoffman's unfortunate demise.

Irony at it's best...... mesmerizing performance.....idiotic way to live, and then die. It seems there is a recurring theme of stupidity mixed in with talent/genius.
post #36 of 98
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Starting off tonight by taking the plastic off of Doubt.
His performance in Doubt is one of his best IMO.

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Irony at it's best...... mesmerizing performance.....idiotic way to live, and then die. It seems there is a recurring theme of stupidity mixed in with talent/genius.
The man was in pain.
post #37 of 98
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His performance in Doubt is one of his best IMO.
The man was in pain.

Whenever his name is mentioned, Doubt is the first thing that pops into my head. It's a great movie.
post #38 of 98
Yes, it is....it's simply unforgettable.
post #39 of 98
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If you haven't seen it, also check out Flawless, another outstanding and incredibly touching performance by Philip Seymour Hoffman. Hollywood has lost one of the greatest.
post #40 of 98
Go down Hoffman's list on IMDb, and you'll see since 2005, with the exception of two, sixteen of his movies have been rated higher than 7.0. That is impressive.

The obvious movies have been mentioned, but I have a special fondness for Jack Goes Boating. An excellent character driven movie that feels very real.
post #41 of 98
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There have been very few actors/actresses that I've been saddened by their passing. This man is one of them. He had a way of imparting emotion and depth into every role I've ever had the pleasure of seeing him in. This will be a Phillip Seymour Hoffman week for me. Starting off tonight by taking the plastic off of Doubt.

Watched the Doubt BD this evening. It was the third time I had seen it and it keeps getting better. Hoffman's Father Flynn was a hell of a lot more likable than Meryl Streep's Sister Aloysius but it was hard for me to decide who was the bigger monster. I have always been ambivalent about Doubt. It is so dark and ambiguous it is hard to love but its rich characters and the wonderful performances of its great cast make it a film I come back to again and again. In this regard I cared about the young, but tougher than she knew, Sister James, played by a luminous Amy Adams, Also, Meryl Streep made the basically unlikable Sister Aloysius a compelling character. Finally, Philip Seymour Hoffman, who was terrific in everything he did, was never better than he was as an in most ways good priest who it seemed to me was in deep denial about the darker side of his character.
post #42 of 98

"A manly handshake ensues." :)

 

More PSH clips from Twister.

 

post #43 of 98
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It is so dark and ambiguous it is hard to love.
That is the entire point of the movie....it's right in the title: DOUBT.wink.gif
post #44 of 98
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The obvious movies have been mentioned, but I have a special fondness for Jack Goes Boating. An excellent character driven movie that feels very real.

+1. I saw him touting it in his very modest, humble and awkward way, on Letterman or Leno or even possibly Kimmel at the time of its release. You could see in his face that it was a labor of love, and from the material, it was obvious that it was not a film destined for or even intended for big commercial success. I saw it at my earliest opportunity and loved it.

You are so right. It feels real, and you just want to hug Jack and the girl, and his friends too.
post #45 of 98
I heard about this the day it happened and have taken a few days to mull it over. Few celebrity deaths cause any real feelings to come to the surface and affect me in an significant way. However, Philip Seymore Hoffman's passing hit me pretty hard. He was one of Hollywood's finest screen actors I've ever had the pleasure of watching. He became whomever his character was. While that sounds simple, only a small percentage in the business of acting did it as well as Hoffman did.

I hope you find happiness, Philip. Thank you for the many moments of brilliance you shared with us all.
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That is the entire point of the movie....it's right in the title: DOUBT.wink.gif

The ambiguity of Doubt made it hard to take, for me at least. As the tortured Sister Aloysius said in the in the last line of the film, in which she answered Sister James' question if she had any doubts about what she had done to convince Father Flynn to seek a transfer from her parish and school to another one, "I have doubts, I have such doubts!" Well the film tortures me as much as it did Sister Aloysius. smile.gif More seriously, its lesson seems to me to be that there is more than one kind of evil.
post #47 of 98
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I hope you find happiness, Philip. Thank you for the many moments of brilliance you shared with us all.

That captures my feelings perfectly as well, David.

Hoffman didn't waste his talents. He shared them with the world. For that, each of us should be thankful. Thanks, Philip.
post #48 of 98
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More seriously, its lesson seems to me to be that there is more than one kind of evil.
Well said.
post #49 of 98
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More seriously, its lesson seems to me to be that there is more than one kind of evil.

Or perhaps that evil can co-exist within us with goodness. I think it does. In my estimation, no one is pure evil or pure goodness. We are all various shades of the two.

Too often too many of us indulge in trying to place other people, and even ourselves, into one box labeled "good" or one box labeled "bad."

I think there is only one box. It's labeled "human."
post #50 of 98
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Or perhaps that evil can co-exist within us with goodness. I think it does. In my estimation, no one is pure evil or pure goodness. We are all various shades of the two.

Too often too many of us indulge in trying to place other people, and even ourselves, into one box labeled "good" or one box labeled "bad."

I think there is only one box. It's labeled "human."
Words of wisdom....smile.gif
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post #52 of 98
A cry for help if I ever saw one. frown.gif

Sad news indeed.
post #53 of 98
I'll go one further than that one...it may be a cry for help, but he knows along with many others that help is *not* on the way. So might as well be comfortable. Fly too close to the ground, and you might hit it. Many people experience profound pain in their lives, pain that doesn't go away, pain that isn't cured by some "happy words" or even in a pill that dulls the nerves in your mind. Many more people lack any concept of what that kind of life must be like. That is why help is not on the way. When you face that kind of pain day after day, you might resort to some pretty heavy solutions. Sometimes the ultimate cure to that kind of pain is death itself. It may not be the solution that fits you or others (as if approval is needed), but it certainly stops the pain for good.

What do we hear the most these days?...what a loss of a great actor? Is it really all about what a great actor he can be for you? What about the person? If he wasn't a well known actor, nobody would give 2 $h1ts about his pain or his death. If you want to honor the man, acknowledge the pain he endured as a person...a pain that was too great to endure. Acknowledge that help did not arrive for this person in pain. Acknowledge that he now is free of that pain.
Edited by Mr. Hanky - 2/4/14 at 6:11pm
post #54 of 98
Shows how truly lonely he was. Apparently it was known for a while and none of his friends tied his ass up and hauled him to a cabin in the woods to dry out. I can tell you now if one of my my inner circle got like this I would go tie his ass up and haul him to a cabin in the woods until he dried out then off to rehab.

It's lonely at the top.
post #55 of 98
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What do we hear the most these days?...what a loss of a great actor? Is it really all about what a great actor he can be for you? What about the person? If he wasn't a well known actor, nobody would give 2 $h1ts about his pain or his death. If you want to honor the man, acknowledge the pain he endured as a person...a pain that was too great to endure. Acknowledge that help did not arrive for this person in pain. Acknowledge that he now is free of that pain.

This was already understood, or acknowledged if you prefer. I can only think of him as the great actor he was, and not the person simply because I didn't know him personally. From what I've read about him over the years, it seems he was a great person as well. The kind of person I would have liked to know. The greatest artists don't hesitate to put a lot of themselves into their art, they have to, because they can't express themselves oherwise. They have a sincerity, an integrity and a sensibility that only true artists can express through their art. I think he was one of them. So the "great actor" that we lost, probably gave us a glimpse of who he was more than once by being this great actor.
post #56 of 98
The dealers are being charged, so some good may come from this awful mess.

If "the war on drugs" is ineffective, then some other means must be sought. Mind-altering substances destroy.

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post #57 of 98
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If "the war on drugs" is ineffective, then some other means must be sought.

The "war on drugs" is ineffective and a huge waste of taxpayer money and everyone knows it. That so many people are in prison because of drugs is a crime in itself. People are finally waking up and understanding that Reefer Madness was BS.

If you want to defend liberty, then a person should be able to do what he/she wants to do if it doesn't affect another. That is what I call true freedom.

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Mind-altering substances destroy.

Yep, just waiting for them to be as strict with alcohol as they are with the other drugs. rolleyes.gif
post #58 of 98
If "mind altering substances destroy", then there must be an awful lot of doctors and pharmaceutical companies in this country who are just itchin' to destroy someone. rolleyes.gif

The fact is that the drug that killed Hoffman is just another version of the same exact opiate drugs that are prescribed millions of times in this country to treat a variety of ailments ranging from back pain to depression. In fact, one of the leading causes of heroin addiction is the removal of a legal opiate prescription because the prescribing doctor thinks the patient doesn't need it anymore or he's afraid of the patient himself becoming addicted to the prescribed drug. The patient is desperate (because, duh, they've become opiate addicted), and the one remaining option available to them is being sold by a scruffy dude down on the corner instead of a credentialed dude in a white smock.

There is a well-known radio personality - an "entertainer" he calls himself but we all know he's much more than that - who went down this same road several years ago. He used a variety of fraudulent prescriptions to amass some 4,000 Oxycontin pills. To my knowledge, he never suffered any legal consequences even though his actions were most certainly against the law. (Oddly, he never talks about that when he's chastising other lawbreakers, like those dastardly illegal immigrants, but that's another story.) His vast wealth and army of acolytes afforded him options most addicts don't have. There's a lesson in there somewhere, if we but choose to listen.
post #59 of 98
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There is a well-known radio personality - an "entertainer" he calls himself but we all know he's much more than that - who went down this same road several years ago. He used a variety of fraudulent prescriptions to amass some 4,000 Oxycontin pills. To my knowledge, he never suffered any legal consequences even though his actions were most certainly against the law. (Oddly, he never talks about that when he's chastising other lawbreakers, like those dastardly illegal immigrants, but that's another story.) His vast wealth and army of acolytes afforded him options most addicts don't have. There's a lesson in there somewhere, if we but choose to listen.

You mean Rush Limbaugh, obviously.
post #60 of 98
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Originally Posted by Kilgore View Post

You mean Rush Limbaugh, obviously.

I was hoping to keep his name out of it since the mere mention of it tends to get the referenced acolytes' panties all wadded up. Then the "report post" buttons start to get pressed and the next thing you know, there goes the neighborhood. Which is usually the point of the whole exercise, so thanks for that.

The more salient point being one person's "recreational" drug is another's desperate road to addiction is relevant, however. As is the term "drug dealer". Sometimes, some very respectable folks wearing very expensive suits also get to wear that label.
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