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post #31 of 3486
7/3/02 at 10:30am
oops, sorry about the typo's. The excitement must have gotten to me!:)

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post #32 of 3486
7/3/02 at 10:34am
Matt, I don't know if I'd call the difference drastic but I would say the difference in price between the 550 and 750 models is justified. The 550 is a basic two-way design which works quite well, but the 750's unique crossover design works as advertised with excellent results. There is a greater sense of speed, dynamics, and seamlessness with this model over it's little (but fatter) sibling.
post #33 of 3486
7/3/02 at 10:37am
Congratulations Therese, two VTF-3's? Are you a bass junky? You can admit it here, you're among friends. ;)

Hang on to something, you're gonna love this stuff.
post #34 of 3486
7/3/02 at 10:46am
Have to admit it, I LOVE bass. The more the better. But I didn't want "boom boom boom". Wanted very articulate bass and want it both musically as well as tight for HT. Considering the price for the VTF-3's, I simply could not resist two!!! ALso the room is huge, 18 *20 open to another 18 * 20 room. Just wanted that bass to travel....:)
Therese
post #35 of 3486
7/3/02 at 10:56am
Hi BW,
I didn't know you were a bass junkie. Do two SVS's really give you that much bass? :D
post #36 of 3486
7/3/02 at 11:01am
Anybody know if the Rockets are timber matched with the Diva's?

Anybody looking to sell their Diva R3s?

Given the release of the Rockets, any Diva sales on the horizon?

So many questions...so little money LOL
post #37 of 3486
7/3/02 at 11:06am
I guess so. Once I hit the point at which the bass is causing physical discomfort and/or nausea, I'll usually back it down within 20-30 minutes. Interestingly, my dogs keep placing ads in the paper for my SV's behind my back.


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Originally posted by minuteman
Hi BW,
I didn't know you were a bass junkie. Do two SVS's really give you that much bass? :D
post #38 of 3486
7/3/02 at 11:29am
I thought I'd re-post this in this thread as it does relate more to the topic:

I was wondering if anyone did any comparisons between the 4.1s vs. RS250s, C-3 vs. RSC100, and 2.1s vs. RS150s as they're at the same price points. I know the Rockets are priced slightly higher, but I'm sure inquisitive minds on a tight budget will want to know, so any answers would be appreciated.
post #39 of 3486
7/3/02 at 11:36am
I second the request. I was thinking of getting the 4.1s but the shipping would kill me. The 250s on the other hand wouldn't be too bad.
post #40 of 3486
7/3/02 at 2:56pm
I don't know if I have the right to or not, but I feel a little screwed. I received my Divas about 2 weeks ago, the 6.1/C3/R3 package. No mention at all of the upcoming debut of the Rockets. I live in NJ so I had to pay $350 dollars shipping!! I would have happily paid more for the Rockets, and only had to pay $170 shipping. My roommate finally got tired of the Diva boxes sitting in our hallway so he threw them out a few hours before I found out about the Rockets, so now I have to get boxes, pay $350 shipping to send them back and than another $300-$400 for the Rockets and their shipping. I am only 19 and I'm in college, so a large portion of the money I saved working this summer went for the Divas, which are the first high-end speakers I've bought. I love the Divas and they sound great, (the only problem with them is the lack of shielding on the 6.1s which messes up my TV), but according to Steve at AV123 the Rockets are "leaps and bounds" above the Divas. Im debating right now on whether its worth the $600-$800 and the hassle it will cost me to exchange the Divas with the Rockets. Right now I am a little upset with AV123, because of course they knew about the Rockets when I ordered my Divas, and they made no mention of them. I sent them an e-mail yesterday and havent heard anything back. Anyone in the NY NJ are want to buy some Divas?

-Julian
post #41 of 3486
7/3/02 at 4:38pm
mightyjlr,

What's wrong with your Diva's? Why the "have to" factor?

- David Eddy
post #42 of 3486
7/3/02 at 5:59pm
Brett,
Thanks for starting the Rocket thread. You opened another "playground" for all of us.......$$$Man
post #43 of 3486
7/3/02 at 6:27pm
Sa-Dono, that's a tough call to make. Given the 4.1's dual woofers you'll at least get better bass response plus matching tweeter with the C3 & 2.1 all the way around. On the other hand the 150 has been my favorite Rocket bookshelf until the new 250 comes in yet still neither one will be able to match the 4.1 in bass output. As for the the C3, it may better the 100 by being three way though the 200 do beat the C3 hands down. Granted I don't have the exact same Diva setup I still say go with the Diva's esp if you listen to any stereo music at all. I believe other betas (BW, "man) may have more in-depth/personal experience/insight with the 4.1 & 2.1 so may be they can chime in.

PF
post #44 of 3486
7/3/02 at 8:12pm
Julian,
Call AV123 and give them an opportunity to make it right. I am in the same boat that you are in. I just departed the dock a little later. I ordered my quad 6.1's, C3 and R3's last Thursday or Friday. They have not arrived yet. I just found out about the Rockets yesterday. Give them a chance to make it right. They are famous for their customer service. You are not the only one with this concern. Have faith. That is all I have right now. At least you have your DIVA's.......$$$Man

BTW: How do you like your DIVA's?
post #45 of 3486
7/3/02 at 11:17pm
Well, I do love my Divas. They sound great, I am pretty inexperienced with high-end audio, but I am a musician and a lover of music, and the Divas come off as very accurate. The only thing really I don't like about them is the lack of shielding on the 8 inch woofers magnet. Even from almost 3 feet away it messes with my TV. Another thing... I don't mind the size of the speakers, and I like how everyone who sees them are like "DAMN those things are the biggest speakers I've seen", but space in my apartment is at a premium, and although the RS750 isn't much smaller, it would look smaller, as the Divas look like 2 giant monoliths in my room. Plus, after talking to Steve Osmai at AV123, he made it very clear that the Rockets were at another level sound wise than the Divas, and if I'm going to be giving AV123 my money it would have been nice for them to let me hold on to it for 2 weeks longer until the Rockets came out. I will most likely call them tomorrow to discuss it further.
post #46 of 3486
7/4/02 at 12:42am
I know, there are lots of other people who probably have more urgent questions than me, but what the hey? I'm curious....

Some comparisons that *I* would like to see are....

B&W Nautilus 804 vs. Rocket RS750 (I heard something about comparing them to speakers two, three times the price... this sounds about applicable, lol!)

Polk LSi9 vs. Rocket RS250 (see how the bookshelves with the same tweeters duke it out!)

VMPS QSO 626 R vs Rocket RS250 (Even though I have heard some negative things about Brian Cheney, it is still difficult to argue with the sheer number knowledgable people talking about how great these speakers are, how they whoop the norh 9.0's... and that spiral ribbon tweeter looks NICE, and the ribbon midrange --which was supposedly designed, for better or worse, by the same guy who makes the midrange driver for my favorite $150 Magnetic Planar multimedia speakers-- doesn't look too bad.... although, they DO seem to be over twice the price of the RS250's... still, that's in the 'compare it to anything 2x or 3x the price' range, same as the B&W's, lol!)

And, of course, the various Swan vs. Rocket comparisons that are inevitable, lol!
post #47 of 3486
7/4/02 at 2:19am
Quote:
Even though I have heard some negative things about Brian Cheney...


Well, I can't vouch for Brian, but I CAN vouch for one of the VMPS products. I have the VMPS larger subwoofer and I must say that it is quite an impressive thing to hear. Simply amazing as far as I am concerned. The only negative thing with the VMPS line is that, to my eye, most of the speakers are frankly rather ugly. My sub is in a beautiful piano black finish so it is pretty enough, but almost all of the natural wood veneers pictured on the VMPS site are at best moderate looking things (to my eye). Not to fear though, if you were to close your eyes, the music would still be every bit as sweet and you could imagine speakers that look like anything you want ;)
post #48 of 3486
7/4/02 at 6:14am
Quote:
Originally posted by mightyjlr
and although the RS750 isn't much smaller, it would look smaller, as the Divas look like 2 giant monoliths in my room.
You need to re-evaluate this thought. It is substantially smaller than the 6.1. In fact, cabinet width is on par with the 4.1, but the RS 750 is 2-1/2" deeper. Very sleek and elegant with a much, much higher SAF; re-check the dimensions on the websites.

Bruce
post #49 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:03am
Also! Who is going to do the first shootout of a Rocket RS250 vs. Polk LSi9? :) :) They both use the same tweeter, and cost *fairly* similar prices... but i daresay it looks like the Polk is gonna get whooped, lol.... [/b][/quote]

Been here... done that...:)

ATB...

mls
post #50 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:10am
Quote:
Originally posted by mightyjlr
Well, I do love my Divas. They sound great, I am pretty inexperienced with high-end audio, but I am a musician and a lover of music, and the Divas come off as very accurate. The only thing really I don't like about them is the lack of shielding on the 8 inch woofers magnet. Even from almost 3 feet away it messes with my TV. Another thing... I don't mind the size of the speakers, and I like how everyone who sees them are like "DAMN those things are the biggest speakers I've seen", but space in my apartment is at a premium, and although the RS750 isn't much smaller, it would look smaller, as the Divas look like 2 giant monoliths in my room. Plus, after talking to Steve Osmai at AV123, he made it very clear that the Rockets were at another level sound wise than the Divas, and if I'm going to be giving AV123 my money it would have been nice for them to let me hold on to it for 2 weeks longer until the Rockets came out. I will most likely call them tomorrow to discuss it further.
We are here... and we are ready to chat with you at your leisure...

We will not let you down...

All the best...

mls
post #51 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:11am
Quote:
Originally posted by moneyman
Julian,
Call AV123 and give them an opportunity to make it right. I am in the same boat that you are in. I just departed the dock a little later. I ordered my quad 6.1's, C3 and R3's last Thursday or Friday. They have not arrived yet. I just found out about the Rockets yesterday. Give them a chance to make it right. They are famous for their customer service. You are not the only one with this concern. Have faith. That is all I have right now. At least you have your DIVA's.......$$$Man

BTW: How do you like your DIVA's?
Thank you for these comments...

We will of course do EVERTHING possible to make it right for all of our customers...

You have that pledge from me... and this business...

ATB...

mls
post #52 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:16am
Quote:
Originally posted by Mark L. Schifter

Been here... done that...:)

ATB...

mls
Come on, Mark! Sounds like you all did a little bit of testing, then...

Is there any, uh, round about way you might hurry the process of letting the masses know how that shootout went? lol!
post #53 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:17am
Quote:
Originally posted by mightyjlr
I don't know if I have the right to or not, but I feel a little screwed. I received my Divas about 2 weeks ago, the 6.1/C3/R3 package. No mention at all of the upcoming debut of the Rockets. I live in NJ so I had to pay $350 dollars shipping!! I would have happily paid more for the Rockets, and only had to pay $170 shipping. My roommate finally got tired of the Diva boxes sitting in our hallway so he threw them out a few hours before I found out about the Rockets, so now I have to get boxes, pay $350 shipping to send them back and than another $300-$400 for the Rockets and their shipping. I am only 19 and I'm in college, so a large portion of the money I saved working this summer went for the Divas, which are the first high-end speakers I've bought. I love the Divas and they sound great, (the only problem with them is the lack of shielding on the 6.1s which messes up my TV), but according to Steve at AV123 the Rockets are "leaps and bounds" above the Divas. Im debating right now on whether its worth the $600-$800 and the hassle it will cost me to exchange the Divas with the Rockets. Right now I am a little upset with AV123, because of course they knew about the Rockets when I ordered my Divas, and they made no mention of them. I sent them an e-mail yesterday and havent heard anything back. Anyone in the NY NJ are want to buy some Divas?

-Julian
Dear Julian...

If you feel for a moment that we are going to let you down in ANY way... think again... I can arrange for you to get new speakers... or not... I can arrange for new boxes... or not...

Your DIVA's are wonderful speakers... yesterday, today and tomorrow... but we will support YOUR decision in every way...

Just pick up the phone and call you rep. They'll check with me if it's something totally crazy... but other than those requests... they know what to do...

I'll be back in China after the 9th of the month... but my e-mail works fine there also... as well as Khabarovsk, Russia (where I might have to go for a day or two)...

WE ARE ALL HERE FOR YOU!

(Climbing off the soap-box now)...

:)

ATB...

mls
post #54 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:19am
Quote:
Originally posted by Ed C
Anybody know if the Rockets are timber matched with the Diva's?

Anybody looking to sell their Diva R3s?

Given the release of the Rockets, any Diva sales on the horizon?

So many questions...so little money LOL
Rockets... do in fact... make for nice timbre matching with DIVA's...

Check us out for more specific details on my not-so-specific answer...

Thanks...

And all the best...

mls
post #55 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:22am
Quote:
Originally posted by netarc


Interesting point - damned if you do, damned if you don't...heh.

I'll admit, I *was* a bit bummed to find that my Divas were now "out-of-date" ... but that was just my initial gut instinct reaction (the newer/better/faster syndrome that many of us suffer from ;) ).

I'm still quite happy with my Diva pkg - they still give me much joy ... and heck, I guess overnight it's suddenly become a collector's item, eh?

However, I completely understand the point of view of those folks who bought sometime in the last month or so ... if I had done so, I'd probably be not a little peeved too.

Granted what happened to Outlaw sucks, but when making a decision between no information and full disclosure, I think the best choice for people (and companies) is the latter.

Just my .02

- Ali

P.S.> AV123 - I know this is sounding like a broken record, but can you offer some more specific guidance on a possible Rocket sub release? (1 month? 3?) I'm itching to get a sub soon (and the HSU/SVS are out, I fear) ... I'd be willing to wait another month or two for your sub, but if it's longer than that I may as well go another route in the next week or two.

Worst case would be I get a sub next week, only to find out the Rocket release is a couple of weeks later ... doh! Wanna avoid that :)

P.P.S.> BTW, out of curiosity, will the Rockets be made in China as well?
Rockets are made in China at the same factory where DIVA cabinets were originally made...

I cannot, or will not give more information on subs at this time... WAY to early as we are only testing unit one right now...

The Hsu's are wonderful... and everyone knows this...

All the best...

mls
post #56 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:24am
Quote:
Originally posted by goodconsumer


Same place, same wood. But it's be nice if av123 confirmed this on the "main" thread.... In fact, it'd be great if they just went through and answered the Diva FAQ for the Rocket FAQ... (coming to www.audioenvy.com/rocket)

BTW, the URL WORKS! Great job!
We are working very hard to get all of the information properly gathered... and after today I will probably only try to answer questions on a single thread... This thread jumping is very hard for me to follow... :)

I'll ask permission to post an Official Rocket thread today...

ATB...

mls
post #57 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:33am
Quote:
Originally posted by bigwally
I guess I can "out" myself as a Rocket beta tester as well. My Diva's aren't going away, I like them too much and they're very happy in my bedroom/office HT but the Rockets are a step upward.

I performed extensive A/B testing with a switchbox over a period of two weeks or more and the first thing we (my assistant and I) noticed between the 6.1's and the 750's is a pretty substantial increase in "slam" or dynamics up to 150-200 Hz or so. The mid-range qualities are similar but there is a bit more clarity, and the tweeter is simply fantastic. Very smooth, articulate, and dynamic without a trace of harshness. The above is also true with the 4.1 vs. the 550 and the C-3 vs. the RSC-200. (This thing is a KILLER.) I had no 2.1's to compare the bookshelf models with but they sound wonderful and mate with the floorstanders very well.

Kudos to Mark Schifter and his design team, they've hit a bullseye here.
It's hard for us to do the comparisons that others are asking for...

BTW... for the entire board... our beta test team has the option to either uncloak themselves... or NOT. I left it 100% up to them... I'm not interested in false reporting etc. and neither are any of you... this was done the "right way"...

Each beta member was chosen by me personally... and each is a very different for reasons that will become apparent to everyone later...

Walt... thanks for your extreme effort... and it was a pleasure to meet you out here on the "homestead"... Gracie and Lynn send their best...

Lynn still loves the "uber-cool" thing... she blushed for weeks given her German background...

You are a delight in every way... and I feel blessed to know you (and the other guys as well)... Thank YOU!

ATB...

mls
post #58 of 3486
7/4/02 at 8:38am
Quote:
Originally posted by Greg Br
Had my divas for 50 days, this sucks big time if the new speaker line is far superior. I cannot equate this to a new product line like a receiver. You are usually well informed that when a new model is coming out, it usually does not just appear. They had to know about this 50 days ago yet I was never given an option of waiting and trying a new line out. This is bogus!
Good Morning Greg...

I'm posting here as well...

Please do not worry... we will be there for you... and I look forward to our chat.

Thanks so much...

ATB...

mls
post #59 of 3486
7/4/02 at 9:04am
Mark,

I asked the same question about Divas recently. I am interested in a complete HT system (7.2). I like the thought of getting more speaker for less money (avoiding costs of brick and mortar). Money is less of an issue, however, in picking the right set-up. Would I be better off getting the 750s or the 550s if I already have dual SVS-ultra subs? The slight difference in price does not concern me, but if the extra woofers in the 750s would be wasted with this set-up, I would rather go with the 550s. Do you see my point? If the 750s are clearly going to give me a better HT experience then that is what I would want.

Thanks,

Brian
post #60 of 3486
7/4/02 at 1:13pm
Did you guys notice the contest being run at Audiorevolution.com?

Winner takes home a pair of 750s, Big Foot (RSC200 Center) and a pair of RSS300 dipoles..

:D


Enjoy.

Sean
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