Originally Posted by Tyrien
Originally Posted by wtfer
The TV you saw at your friends might have had noise reduction turn on, that cause 100% more smear effect on LCDs.
Could be why your wife might have noticed it it more.
The more I think about it, the TV at my friends house I am sure was a bottom of the barrel 60hz panel, and he probably had noise reduction on, which as you said causes more smear, which was exactly the problem. Also, when we watch the various tvs at the big box stores, I am wondering how much of what I am seeing is motion blur, and how much is just a crappy feed with artifacting? Perhaps the effect is hidden by the slightly softer and dimmer image on the Samsung 5500 plasma next to it, which is the only plasma I have been able to find right next to an LED set locally.
Originally Posted by fafrd
To get plasma-like motion blur reduction without SOE, you need an LCD with a very bright backlight and a very high action rate.
Perhaps if I lower my expectations to not plasma level, rather just better then a bottom of the line off brand 60hz panel, perhaps she will be satisfied with that? Like maybe something with a true 120hz panel and/or backlight strobing or black frame insertion? Would that likely give me watchable motion without resorting to the soap opera effect?
From what I have read, the move from a 60Hz panel to a 120Hz panel does the most to reduce motion blur. Capitalizing on that with a 24fps movie is going
to require frame interpolation and result in the Soap Opera Effect (turning a 24fps Cinema Movie into a 120fps' video'). With live-action broadcast sport, it is also going to require frame interpolation and result in the SOE, but no one complains about that (in this case it turned video into better video).
If I was you, I would separate my watching into the two classes, 24fps cinema (blue rays) and video.
To get a low level of motion blur on video, you should probably not be worried about frame interpolation and the SOE and go for the fastest 'action rate' that you can afford (at least 120Hz).
For Cinema, you probably want to try a set that supports a 'true' 24fps (48fps) Cinema mode. This will not provide any motion blur reduction on a movie but will present it exactly as it is presented in a movie theater. If your wife does not complain about motion blur when watching a movie in a movie theater, she will probably be happy with a true cinema mode.
Originally Posted by Tyrien
What would my best bet be for something in the 65 or 70 inch 1500-2200 range? We are remodeling our living room right now, so I was looking to buy asap (need to wall mount the TV, so the DLP has to go) and the new Vizios are MIA so far, so what is the best option for something available now? I know the Sharp 650u line is well regarded, but I'm skeptical of the motion quality.
If you just want 1080p, the 65" 2014 Vizio M Series is $1500 and he 70" is $1900. The native refresh rate of the LCD is 120Hz with a Clear Action Rate of 720Hz which I am expecting to deliver a 'true' Effective Refresh Rate of 360Hz. The motion blur reduction at that Effecive Refresh Rate would be 83% lower than a straight 60Hz LCD (or about 2 times the motion blur of plasma, which is about 10% of a 60Hz LCD motion blur). It should be able to support a true 24fps Cinema mode but the specs don't make clear if that feature will be included or not. The M is not out yet but is expected before the end of March (though nothing yet confirmed).
If you are willing to spend a bit more, you might consider the 4K Vizio P Series. 65" is $2200 but it is also not available yet (hopefully before mid-year). It's main selling feature over the M Series is the higher resolution of 4K over 1080p, but is should also have a better local dimming performance (64 dimming zones versus 32 on the M) as well better motion blur reduction. It claims an action rate of 9600 but I suspect this is inflated and am instead expecting the P Series to deliver a 'true' Effective Refresh of 480Hz. At that Effective Refresh Rate, the P Series would deliver a motion blur reduction that is 87% lower than a straight 60Hz LCD (or 1.3 times the motion blur of plasma). The P Series is specified to support a True Cinema Mode of both 24fps and 48 fps.
If you are unable to wait for either the Vizio M or the P, you might think about checking out the Vizio E with your wife. The 60" is only $900 and is expected to be available by next week, the 65" is only $1200 and will hopefully be available on the heals of the 65", and the 70" is only $1600 and will hopefully be available by mid-March or so. The E-Series is only a 60Hz native refresh panel with an Effective Refresh rate of 120Hz, so the motion blur will be 50% of a straight 60Hz panel (and 5X the motion blur of a plasma). If will not be able to support a 48fps True Cinema mode and will probably also not support a 24fps True Cinema Mode, so playing Blue Ray or other 24fps content, it will probably use 3"2 pulldown which will mean some judder. This might be a useful set to check out at a BestBuy, especially if they allow you to play with the settings and play a Blueray, to narrow down on the viewing requirements for your wife.
If you don't need the dark levels and shadow detail plasma, there are a lot of economical 1080p edge-lit sets that might fit your requirements. Best place to ask that question would probably be on the 'help-me-choose-an-LCD' thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1230050/the-help-me-choose-an-lcd-thread
The Samsung F8000 is considered one of the best edge-lit LCDs out there right now, but it looks like it is out of your price range ($3100 for a 65").
The 70" 2013 Vizio M-Series is $2200 and is available now, so that may be another set you want to check out with your wife at best buy. It has an Effective Refresh Rate of 240Hz, so should have 25% the motion blur of a straight 60Hz panel (2.5X the motion blur of plasma)...