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post #31 of 48
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Originally Posted by niccolo View Post

I have an open floor plan so I have ~4500 cubic feet to pressurize. I recognize that if I want the ability to produce high SPLs and want to pressurize the room for tactile feel during movies, I'd need to go with much more robust options, e.g. at least a single Rythmik FV15HP and maybe a pair of them. But I'd like to keep the budget much more modest. My sense is that a more modest sub will produce satisfying bass for music and, similarly, significantly enhance the movie experience, even if it doesn't really shake the room the way a more powerful option would (feel free to correct my perception if that seems off).

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It's not that I couldn't allocate more to the home theater budget, rather that this seems like a reasonable amount to allocate.

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...any feedback for me? Appreciated!

Based on your above, in my opinion, you're setting yourself up for disappointment as the common theme I see among requests for recommendation are people saying they want $3,000.00 or a lot more worth of performance but they only want to spend $600.00. I smell disappointment in the wind.

It's not about what one thinks is "reasonable" but instead is about what it takes to get the requester, where they want to go. Specifications first. Budgets second. Compromise third.

Where do you "REALLY" want to go? You have a very large 4500^3 space and you're looking at a sub designed for a small budget minded space. Again, where to you "REALLY" want to go? It takes an honest answer to give an honest reply/recommendation and based on the size of your room, as a forewarning, my recommendation won't be close to your budget.

(all detractors or those who like to argue, will be ignored)

...wink.gif

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post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

You have a very large 4500^3 space and you're looking at a sub designed for a small budget minded space.

That's not accurate. Audioholics has already evaluated that sub and said a single SVS PB12 could work well in a space that size, and I would bet that SVS would say that dual PB12s are "designed" to work well in that kind of space. Unless niccolo is an extreme basshead like you are--instead of a normal basshead like many of the rest of us wink.gif --he could very easily be happy with two of those subs based upon the expectations he has expressed in his original post. smile.gif
post #33 of 48
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That's not accurate.
I agree. The PB12-NSD is not a "designed for a small budget minded space" subwoofer.

Then again, having run an older, BASH-powered PB12 in a ~3,400 cu.ft. room and wished I had a second one, I don't think a single PB12 is sufficient for a 4,500 cu.ft. room.

Duals, on the other hand, should work pretty well.

(And since they're only $600/ea., shipped, maybe adding a third one is a possibility?)
post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

(And since they're only $600/ea., shipped, maybe adding a third one is a possibility?)

That would be a nice setup! biggrin.gif
post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

That's not accurate. Audioholics has already evaluated that sub and said a single SVS PB12 could work well in a space that size,.....

You must be mistaking me with someone else as I have no intention, arguing your erroneous information because in truth, I'm not worried about the editorial opinion of other websites.

The NYT says. Well, good for the people on the editorial board of the NYT. Well what about the LA Times? What about them? What you have an editorial board now telling people how to think? The point, I'll let you stand by what Audioholics has an opinion on and I'll stand by the opinion I have on the same matter and you can go argue with yourself.

This is what the OP asked that I responded to:

"...any feedback for me? Appreciated!"

I honored the OP's request.

(good golly you guys like to argue)

(maybe you guys should spend less time arguing opinions of others and form a few of your own)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 2/17/14 at 8:43am
post #36 of 48
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

You must be mistaking me with someone else as I have no intention, arguing your erroneous information because in truth, I'm not worried about the editorial opinion of other websites.

I've said my say so that the OP can see another opinion. Not interested in arguing about it further. I take you at your word where your signature says "I am not the voice of reason" when it comes to how much subwoofer would meet someone's needs. (lol)
post #37 of 48
I do not try to be the voice of reason but I do try to enable because that's what people really want. My opinion is intended to lead people astray. My purpose is to lead people down the rabbit hole of happiness. When someone lights off one of my recommendations, they'll know they've been giving the straight, unconservative skinny......now that's how you light my fire.

If someone wants to internalize or repress their true wants, needs or desires, I'm not their huckleberry.

.....wink.gif

What side of the equation do I represent one might ask? I represent the side that says.........

"Subwoofers are a money pit of happiness. The more one throws down the rat hole labeled subwoofers, the happier the individual becomes."

...tongue.gif

My signatures are as honest as I can be. Think of my opinion as one might think of Sam Kinison.


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Edited by BeeMan458 - 2/17/14 at 9:04am
post #38 of 48
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... I have no intention, arguing your erroneous information ... I'll let you stand by what Audioholics has an opinion on and I'll stand by the opinion I have on the same matter and you can go argue with yourself. ... When someone lights off one of my recommendations, they'll know they've been giving the straight, unconservative skinny ... If someone wants to internalize or repress their true wants, needs or desires, I'm not their huckleberry.
Setting aside for a moment the fact that you managed to be arrogant, condescending and argumentative in only two posts, please provide some sort of evidence to support your assertion that cel4145's information is "erroneous" and that the PB12-NSD is, in fact, "a sub designed for a small budget minded space".

I ask this knowing that you'll most likely do some sort of song-and-dance around my request, but hoping that you might actually provide the proof or, failing that, have the fortitude and the courtesy to admit that you were mistaken.

Thanks. smile.gif
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

I ask this knowing that you'll most likely do some sort of song-and-dance around my request, but hoping that you just might provide some evidence to back up your bluster.

Thanks. smile.gif

Sorry, but that would be arguing. My suggestion, find "facts" and not editorial opinion that I'm wrong. Personally, I'm tired of the BS and people's need to argue every single point posted they don't agree with.

Please, if in doubt as to my subwoofer philosophy, look to my signatures. I don't want to be like you guys. I want to be like me and I'm a subwoofer enabler, who is not the voice of reason and I'm going encourage one to spend and get what they want, not what they can live with. I want the person I'm responding to, to have what I have, not what someone else has. Why would I want to do that? What I want to do is encourage someone to buy a system that will rock their world, not buy something they can have tea with.

There's one common trait that I consistently take away from every single GTG that I've read about and that's the "WOW!" factor. So that's what I have and that's what I encourage.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 2/17/14 at 9:25am
post #40 of 48
Not taking sides but here is my opinion. the Audioholics subwoofer protocol is off imo... I think one needs to take their room size and go up 1 level from the Audioholics room rating. In a 4500^3 room, dual PB-12NSD would not be capable of Reference level playback. At a minimum a Pair of Rythmik FV15HP's would be needed and they might come up short...I would probably be looking at a pair of Passive Ported Captivator 2400's. now If the OP is just looking to fill the room with good sound but not trying to achieve reference capability then yes by all means the NSD's will fit the bill.
post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

Not taking sides but here is my opinion. the Audioholics subwoofer protocol is off imo... I think one needs to take their room size and go up 1 level from the Audioholics room rating. In a 4500^3 room, dual PB-12NSD would not be capable of Reference level playback. At a minimum a Pair of Rythmik FV15HP's would be needed and they might come up short...I would probably be looking at a pair of Passive Ported Captivator 2400's. now If the OP is just looking to fill the room with good sound but not trying to achieve reference capability then yes by all means the NSD's will fit the bill.

THIS IS, a "reasonable" opinion smile.gif
post #42 of 48
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Sorry, but that would be arguing.
No, it would be providing some sort of valid support for your assertion that the SVS PB12-NSD is "a sub designed for a small budget minded space".

But you knew that.
post #43 of 48
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

But you knew that.

That would be arguing. Right now, I'm watching Canada kick some serious on ice, couples butt (they were gorgeous) while you're worried about the small stuff and ignoring what I've posted. You want to argue and I want to encourage folks to have what I have which in my opinion is a good thing.

As to validity, I posted my opinion vs the opinion of an editorial board. If you think Audioholics opinion is the way to go: sell it.

If someone wants my opinion, based on the above title, I say go with a pair of PC12-pluses and be done with it.

How about giving your opinion?
post #44 of 48
relax guys, turn up your subs and Enjoy some BASS!! smile.gif
post #45 of 48
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That would be arguing.
Funny, but wrong again.
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Right now, I'm watching Canada kick some serious on ice ...
Meh.
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If someone wants my opinion, based on the above title, I say go with a pair of PC12-pluses and be done with it.

How about giving your opinion?
My opinion is that dual PC12-Pluses have nothing to do with the above title. And I already commented on the PB12-NSD.
post #46 of 48
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

relax guys, turn up your subs and Enjoy some BASS!! smile.gif

I am. People are welcome to argue with whom they wish. Last night, I rescreened "Dark City." Very nice. The wife is home this evening and I'm looking forward to sharing with her the house curve I came up with in her absents.

The point, my focus is on the final product and not arguing about everything that doesn't meet my approval.

(i know, sit down, shut up, worry about the future.....take a break, remove yourself, it's not worth it.)

.....You're right.

...wink.gif
post #47 of 48
We are comparing Data-bass, audioholics to newspaper publication?

Data bass and audioholics backs their reviews with measurements, they rate quailty of a product by taking it apart and inspecting driver, amp, enclosure etc. All tested subwoofers/speakers are ran through a consistent measurement protocol.

That is not opinion. Nor similar to a general article from a newspaper. It's a review backed by researched measurements.

It's always easy to recommend what you own, especially if you satisfied. Also the user has spent enough time with their recommendation to provide real world feedback. At the same time it also leads to bias and writing off a potential better option for someone else.

OP, you have enough information here to make an informed buying decision.
Edited by deepat04 - 2/17/14 at 1:35pm
post #48 of 48
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Squeezing a few more watts from an existing amp, adding another choice of finish and/or offering a sturdier grille = an upgrade to an existing sub.

A new driver + a new amp + a new enclosure = a new sub.

IMHO. smile.gif

Here Here!!!

Nashou
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