Originally Posted by cpcat
Not sure what you mean by this. Both video and audio quality are ridiculously easy to measure with digital TV.
Then how do you propose to do it? As has been mentioned, you can't just look at bitrates. So how do you "easily" measure quality?
Maybe you are trying to say that people can't really tell the difference? I don't believe that is true either if you have a readily available standard to compare it to. Now, if the channel happens to be the only source for that particular program you have, then it may be hard to tell.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. If you don't have a full bandwidth HD signal to compare to, most people probably wouldn't know how compression affects the signal... until it gets TOO compressed.
Originally Posted by cpcat
Measuring bitrates and also considering encoding/decoding/compression algorithms etc. is complicated and obtuse enough that anyone with a little knowledge on the subject can find a way to argue pretty much either side of the topic. It will always be the provider arguing that it is "enough" for PQ and oh by the way have you seen our other channel(s)?
But I thought you said it was easy to measure quality.
I know when I'm watching CBS and my display tells me it's 720p something is wrong.
Keep in mind, you're the exception. Do you really think the majority of viewers even pay attention to 720/1080 much less know if an affiliate is changing from one to the other?
The bottom line is that the broadcasters believe they are incentivised to give us quantity over quality. I think if they push too far it will backfire. I'm also thankful that at this point I still have a choice in where I get my programming.
I agree with you 100% If broadcasters do too much compression, viewers will tune them out. However, most people seem to complain about the CONTENT, not the quality.
Originally Posted by fjames
You just proved to me that you have an agenda, and you'll say anything to support it, no matter how silly. First you imply that there's no problem with network programming being preempted, then you admit there is, but try to minimize it. There's nothing "occasional" about it, it's every week. Other areas I've lived, local sports is tape delayed, so there's an option.
Ummm, no. I really hadn't heard of a problem with pre-empting network programming, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SEC SPORTS
, so I was asking if that was what you were referring to. Apparently it is. Let me explain something to you. This is the heart of UK Wildcat country. The basketball team's coach even acknowledges the fans are "crazy". WKYT brings in a lot of money by being the local affiliate. However, in order to show UK games, they need to air other SEC games. I guarantee you they have an agreement with CBS to do so.
Interestingly, that wasn't what I was thinking of. KYT routinely cuts off live network programming that runs over into scheduled local programming. They've been doing it for decades, they've gotten in trouble for it more than once, they've lied about it (direct quotes from station management in the local paper.)
KYT has cut off CBS to go to what? Local news? Syndication? I don't know. I don't watch local TV
. Please, educate me.
They have a contract with me, the viewer.
Really? I don't remember anyone asking me to sign something so I can watch them. What's in the contract that YOU have to uphold?
And there's no way for me or you to know what their legal obligations are with the network. I called Buena Vista several years ago with an issue about TVQ. I was told what they were doing, as they stated to me, was in violation of their contract and they'd have their legal dept. give the station a call. The problem ceased.
So, then why not call CBS and complain about KYT?
I'm being screwed from my perspective. From their perspective, they're enhancing profit. And yes, I'm pretty sure they sit around thinking up ways to do it, and some of those ways reduce the quality of their broadcast, whether it be increased ad time from the network, or local stations reducing PQ of network programming so as to broadcast more local content (in terms of ad revenue) on subs, as if preempting network programming to make room for local wasn't enough for them.
I can't believe, living in this area, that you would ridicule my statement. Here's a tip, google "Toyota acceleration" and see if you get any hits. If you should happen to, read up on how long they knew of the problem, how long they kept it hidden, how many people were killed or injured because of it, etc. Corporations have a long history of "screwing" their customers if it serves the corp's financial interests. This is a given and no sane person would deny it.
[/quote]So businesses (and that's what broadcasters are, KET excluded) shouldn't try to increase their profit? And now you're comparing reduced PQ to injuring and killing people? Ohhhh kaaaay.
I still say if PQ gets bad enough to turn off enough viewers (and it's going to be hard to prove it's PQ making people change the channel and not the content on the screen), then stations will increase quality.