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post #4981 of 5238
I'm getting a weak signal on DT36 but no lock. Hopefully, they aren't yet at full power.
post #4982 of 5238
Actually, I just checked and I'm now bouncing between 96-98 on my DTVPal signal meter(was around 91-93 this a.m.).
post #4983 of 5238
Just rescanned my 2004 Sony HD TV and I get WTVQ on 36.1, 36.2 and 36.3 with WKYT CW on 36.4 and WKYT radar on 36.5 when I channel up but when I channel down WKYT CBS comes in on 36.3. On my DTV Pal DVR I get WKYT's 3 channels on 27.1, 27.2 and 27.3 along with 70.1, 70.2 and 70.3. It should all be fixed on Sept. 1 when they shut the channel 13 off and remap the channel 36.
post #4984 of 5238
WKYT DT36 now coming in here with stable lock. Only time will tell how stable/usable it is and how it compares with DT13. Certainly, my antenna array for DT36 is much more manageable than what it took to bring in DT13.

1080i->720p blurr-o-vision is still irritating.
post #4985 of 5238
My TV didn't like the new 36 channel... Or I should say the two sets of 27's but I had to delete channel 13. TV happy
post #4986 of 5238
Well, no lock on DT36 again at 12:35 pm. Either they are at low power or it may not be a usable signal down here.

It would have been nice (for me) if they could have put the transmitter at Clay's Ferry or even on the same tower as TVQ's analog.
post #4987 of 5238
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

Well, no lock on DT36 again at 12:35 pm. Either they are at low power or it may not be a usable signal down here.

It would have been nice (for me) if they could have put the transmitter at Clay's Ferry or even on the same tower as TVQ's analog.

cpcat, can you receive any of the other Lexington DT stations from your location in Corbin? That's quite a distance away from Lexington...

I just rescanned my digital tuner... and it picked up both the VHF-13 and UHF-36 DT signals from WKYT. The VHF-13 is breaking up, blocky and artifacting... the UHF-36 looks perfect. So you might want to double-check your tuner to see which signal if any it's locking onto.
post #4988 of 5238
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Originally Posted by ragamuffin View Post

cpcat, can you receive any of the other Lexington DT stations from your location in Corbin? That's quite a distance away from Lexington...

I just rescanned my digital tuner... and it picked up both the VHF-13 and UHF-36 DT signals from WKYT. The VHF-13 is breaking up, blocky and artifacting... the UHF-36 looks perfect. So you might want to double-check your tuner to see which signal if any it's locking onto.

DT31 (WDKY) is stable and for the most part drop-free no matter the time of day. DT39(WLEX) and DT40(WTVQ) are intermittent and mostly watchable only after dark or in the early morning. However, my UHF antenna array is optimized for UHF 14-38 and gain drops like a rock above ch 38. So, I was hoping that DT36 would do OK even in the daytime.

Don't worry, there's no way I'm confusing DT36 with DT13. I do currently have a VHF high band antenna but it's fixed and pointed at Hazard. Some time ago, I also had a high band array that would intermittently bring in DT13 but I downsized because it's just not practical to leave up all the time.

Here's a pic of the uhf/vhf array.
LL
post #4989 of 5238
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Originally Posted by jb_ky1 View Post

My TV didn't like the new 36 channel... Or I should say the two sets of 27's but I had to delete channel 13. TV happy

Windows 7 Media Center allowed me to manually add the new RF36 and label them 27.1 and 27.2, however there's no guide information. I'll fool around with that when WKYT turns off VHF13 I guess. With Microsoft it might mean rebuilding the pc with a nuke and pave. Uggh! I've rebuilt this machine at least a half dozen times due to the channel changes over the last year. The last channel change I want to see for this area is CW going to high def over the air. Then we can call it all done.
post #4990 of 5238
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Originally Posted by BenCJedi View Post

Windows 7 Media Center allowed me to manually add the new RF36 and label them 27.1 and 27.2, however there's no guide information. I'll fool around with that when WKYT turns off VHF13 I guess. With Microsoft it might mean rebuilding the pc with a nuke and pave. Uggh! I've rebuilt this machine at least a half dozen times due to the channel changes over the last year. The last channel change I want to see for this area is CW going to high def over the air. Then we can call it all done.


If there is any other changes that will be made, I am hoping that maybe they will fire up channel 13 again and just use it for the CW.
post #4991 of 5238
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Originally Posted by jb_ky1 View Post

If there is any other changes that will be made, I am hoping that maybe they will fire up channel 13 again and just use it for the CW.

As has been said here over and over, the FCC is not granting new licenses at this time. Unless they drop the power by 20 dB and call it a fill-in translator, there is simply no way to put channel 13 on the air.

- Trip
post #4992 of 5238
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

As has been said here over and over, the FCC is not granting new licenses at this time. Unless they drop the power by 20 dB and call it a fill-in translator, there is simply no way to put channel 13 on the air.

- Trip

I know, but it's wishful thinking. Even if they did that the signal would be horrible. Just glad to see 36 is working out a lot better now.
post #4993 of 5238
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

Well, no lock on DT36 again at 12:35 pm. Either they are at low power or it may not be a usable signal down here.

It would have been nice (for me) if they could have put the transmitter at Clay's Ferry or even on the same tower as TVQ's analog.

Clays Ferry might help (some people), but I don't see how moving to TVQs tower would help. I thought TVQ & KYT's tower were the same heights. Since they're probably ~1/2 mile (if that) away from each other, I don't see that move as helping.
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post #4995 of 5238
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Originally Posted by sam_gordon View Post

Clays Ferry might help (some people), but I don't see how moving to TVQs tower would help. I thought TVQ & KYT's tower were the same heights. Since they're probably ~1/2 mile (if that) away from each other, I don't see that move as helping.

TVQ36 was always my best analog signal from Lex. Much better than either KYT/LEX.

I'll be interested to see how the dT36 signal is this afternoon/evening.

Last night it was pretty stable for me.
post #4996 of 5238
Should be interesting to see if Tribune/D* picks up the change this afternoon. They were still pointing to Ch13 last night ... and overriding any manual scans on my "ancient" E86.
post #4997 of 5238
Anyone have Snapstream BeyondTV? I don't know how to rescan using that.
post #4998 of 5238
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

Should be interesting to see if Tribune/D* picks up the change this afternoon. They were still pointing to Ch13 last night ... and overriding any manual scans on my "ancient" E86.

Tribune is what Microsoft Windows Media Center uses, so I hope they get it corrected there as it will probably fix the lack of guide info for WKYT using RF36 now. It will suck if there's no guide. Manual timers for everything. Uggh!
I dunno why Microsoft just didn't design their product to use the PSIP guide info over the air and instead rely on a third party vendor to provide the guide. I guess they figure most people using Media Center are analog cable customers and not ATSC users. I think I can map the 27 guide info to the 36 channels at least until Tribune stops carrying it on 27.
post #4999 of 5238
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Originally Posted by BenCJedi View Post

Tribune is what Microsoft Windows Media Center uses, so I hope they get it corrected there as it will probably fix the lack of guide info for WKYT using RF36 now.

Well, I guess it was too much to ask for, even though WDKY managed to navigate/coordinate their move from ch4 to ch31 flawlessly. ... But nooooo ... now it looks like nothing but "Regular Programming" for me for all the Lex DMA stations until WKYT notifies all the right parties.

On the bright side, at least the D* LiL service was only down for a few hours. Seriously, after 8 years you'd think the engineers would be able to handle this kind of thing without any glitches ... especially since they had at least a week of overlap with both transmitters running.

I give them a grade of D--.
post #5000 of 5238
Looks like manual timers for me.. just in time for the fall TV season! Ugg.. I hope they get it fixed by then.

And the video WKYT posted on Youtube\\Facebook.. the guy there doesn't sound prepared for his instruction either. It's not a simple act to rescan like he shows in the video for all devices. Of course Microsoft likes to be unnecessarily complicated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQmLN...layer_embedded
post #5001 of 5238
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Originally Posted by BenCJedi View Post

Looks like manual timers for me.. just in time for the fall TV season! Ugg.. I hope they get it fixed by then.

Don't hold your breath, IIRC it took them a couple of years to finally sort out the PSIP data/virtual mapping when they first went on the air.
post #5002 of 5238
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

Don't hold your breath, IIRC it took them a couple of years to finally sort out the PSIP data/virtual mapping when they first went on the air.

That's what I am afraid of. I spent 2 hours figgiting with Media Center to try to get the designated guide from the old RF13 to map to RF36 and call it 'WKYT-DT'\\27.1 and my evening was filled with FAIL. Microsoft doesn't give the flexibility to make that change over the normal GUI actions. I know in earlier versions of Media Center I could edit some file that MCE used to manually remap (like I did for WDKY). I'm not sure if that same hack works for Windows 7 version of MCE. I guess I got some reading to do. Annoying overall because I should not have to spend hours researching a hack to make this work properly. Having no guide for a channel just plain bites because name-based recording isn't possible and setting up manual timers won't shift the recording time if the regularly scheduled program occurs at a different time (like when a UK game pre-empts a show scheduled to record that is run much later in the evening)
post #5003 of 5238
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Originally Posted by civguy View Post

Anyone have Snapstream BeyondTV? I don't know how to rescan using that.

You should not have to rescan, I am in the same boat with someone I have setup with BeyondTV (OTA only setup).

When WDKY had their switch from channel 4, it 'resolved itself' with a guide update with BeyondTV. Their guide data includes (behind the scenes) the proper physical OTA channel numbers.

So EVENTUALLY it should resolve itself. It is just a matter of how long it takes. As of this morning, the guide data was still not corrected.

BeyondTV reportedly uses Zap2It, and I have emailed Zap2It a friendly reminder about the situation.
post #5004 of 5238
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Originally Posted by BenCJedi View Post

Having no guide for a channel just plain bites because name-based recording isn't possible and setting up manual timers won't shift the recording time if the regularly scheduled program occurs at a different time (like when a UK game pre-empts a show scheduled to record that is run much later in the evening)

Could be worse, with the way the E86 works along with the physical/logical conflict with WTVQ, I have to wipe the entire DMA's guide data to be able to tune 27.1,2,3. It's a good thing that Ch36 comes before Ch40 in the manual scan, otherwise the thing would probably burst into flames.
post #5005 of 5238
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Originally Posted by Gruber22 View Post

So EVENTUALLY it should resolve itself. It is just a matter of how long it takes. As of this morning, the guide data was still not corrected.

Historically speaking, it could be years before it resolves.

Virtual channel mapping is worst idea ever. ... It made a little bit of sense pre-analog shutdown, now it's just stupid.
post #5006 of 5238
Gruber, we're on the same ship. Windows Media Center also uses zap2it. I wish both software packages would easily allow the user to make changes like this.

I had to wipe out all the channel data in MCE to try to get it to straighten out, but it didn't help. Time wasted there.
post #5007 of 5238
I think I have tried everything now. Editing userlineups.xml didn't work. Creating a lineup using scanning might pull in the channels but without guide data, so that was not an option for me. I think I will just have to do without 27 until guide update from Zap2it.
post #5008 of 5238
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

On the bright side, at least the D* LiL service was only down for a few hours. Seriously, after 8 years you'd think the engineers would be able to handle this kind of thing without any glitches ... especially since they had at least a week of overlap with both transmitters running.

I give them a grade of D--.

For the record, D* had to rework some cabling so their WKYT receiver could get a UHF feed. Why they didn't arrange to make the switch when WKYT was simulcasting I don't know. I'm not positive KYT notified D* of the switch.
post #5009 of 5238
27 is working now. That must mean Zap2it has been updated.
post #5010 of 5238
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Originally Posted by civguy View Post

27 is working now. That must mean Zap2it has been updated.

Rats ... just when I was about to suggest an AVS pool to pick how many days (or years) it would stay messed up.
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