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post #5101 of 5238
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Originally Posted by William Smith View Post

With all due respect, look at it from the industry side, Cable and DBS are selling you the consumer a degraded product that you could have for free..

1) Like I said, my first inclination was to simply bite my tongue and do/say nothing. And, I did just that, for many weeks, until someone chose to revive the thread.

2) I respect the efforts that you personally have made at KET.

3) That having been said, from my perspective, what the original poster asked for is something like the hyenas begging the meerkats to lobby against the lions for encroaching on their (hyenas) territory. Either way the cookie crumbles, the meerkat is going to get screwed.

4) Or in other words, ya'll got a lot of nerve to ask, especially given the vast history of viewer "friendly" actions on the part of broadcasters.

5) The request is a bit ironic since a large percentage of broadcasters had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the DTV age ... ah ... seems like just yesterday.

In respectful disagreement,
HDC
post #5102 of 5238
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

4) Or in other words, ya'll got a lot of nerve to ask, especially given the vast history of viewer "friendly" actions on the part of broadcasters.

I'm curious what you feel has been "unfriendly" actions on the part of the broadcasters. Or is charging someone to use their product "unfriendly"?

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5) The request is a bit ironic since a large percentage of broadcasters had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the DTV age ... ah ... seems like just yesterday.

In respectful disagreement,
HDC

With all due respect, do you realize how much $$ broadcasters were FORCED to spend by the government to enter the DTV age? Tell me another industry where the government can force a company to spend MILLIONS of dollars, not because of safety, but for...? Do you think the broadcasters charge more to air HD commercials?

Does DTV give the viewer a better image? Sure (for most people). But why shouldn't basic capitalism determine whether stations changed?
post #5103 of 5238
how would broadcasters factor into the cost-benefit analysis the vast swath of frequency spectrum they get to use for free ?
post #5104 of 5238
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Originally Posted by m_vanmeter View Post

how would broadcasters factor into the cost-benefit analysis the vast swath of frequency spectrum they get to use for free ?

Good question. An argument can be made that broadcasters are "paying" for the spectrum by notifying the public of various events (weather, politics quickly come to mind). It's very possible broadcasters would elect to stop broadcasting rather than pay for the use of the spectrum.

Keep in mind, for some people (granted a minority by far), OTA broadcasts (radio & TV) are their ONLY way to get up to date information.
post #5105 of 5238
I agree about the public service aspect of broadcasting, and the fact that the original grant of free spectrum was done to induce the development and expansion of over-the-air radio and television when the industry was just starting out.

But an equal case can be made that the free use of the airwaves has become a taxpayer gift to a well established industry now. Maybe it would be a better use of the spectrum to turn those 1,000' towers and spectrum into wi-max or LTE multi-streaming internet access points where network TV and broadcast radio is just one of the thousands of the available digital streams? It's a thought anyway as other content providers get a steady income stream from subscribers to cable and satellite and the folks who still watch over-the-air TV continues to decrease (hell, I'm still one of them...for KET at least).
post #5106 of 5238
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Originally Posted by m_vanmeter View Post

I agree about the public service aspect of broadcasting, and the fact that the original grant of free spectrum was done to induce the development and expansion of over-the-air radio and television when the industry was just starting out.

But an equal case can be made that the free use of the airwaves has become a taxpayer gift to a well established industry now. Maybe it would be a better use of the spectrum to turn those 1,000' towers and spectrum into wi-max or LTE multi-streaming internet access points where network TV and broadcast radio is just one of the thousands of the available digital streams? It's a thought anyway as other content providers get a steady income stream from subscribers to cable and satellite and the folks who still watch over-the-air TV continues to decrease (hell, I'm still one of them...for KET at least).

The government doesn't own the towers though. The stations do.

I don't disagree that you can use some spectrum for internet or anything else. But think about this... Lexington has 6(?) broadcast stations. There are 70(!) channel 'allocations'. Even allowing for neighboring markets, etc, let's say you need to 'protect' 30 frequencies for any given area. That leaves 40 'slots' (6MHz each) open. Why not use THOSE before trying to take over the existing OTA broadcast slots?

Another note... speaking for the Lexington market, Insight is the ONLY cable or satellite company that gets their feed of the locals over fiber. Every other cable company and the two sat companies rely on OTA. So if you do away with OTA, do you want to do away with what local broadcasters provide? If not, how do you distribute to the various entities? Also FWIW, the last I heard there were 100+ cable companies retransmitting Lexington locals.
post #5107 of 5238
I believe the broadcasters have to pay the FCC for each license they have. Have to have a license to broadcast anything. Have to pay every time they make any kind of change to that licensed transmitter. Every so many years. Far from free to broadcast.
post #5108 of 5238
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Originally Posted by m_vanmeter View Post

Maybe it would be a better use of the spectrum to turn those 1,000' towers and spectrum into wi-max or LTE multi-streaming internet access points where network TV and broadcast radio is just one of the thousands of the available digital streams?

Certianly, there are many worthwhile and useful possible uses of this portion of spectrum besides broadcast TV as we know it, However ....

How about using it to download porn to johnny's smartphone, or say, to upload video of your cat ???

So far, it seems to me that this seems to be more about auctioning spectrum to the highest bidder(and about more capacity for smartphone users) than it is about the specifics of what this chunk of our spectrum will actually be used for vs. what it is currently used for, and/or what may be the greatest good ...
post #5109 of 5238
Posted September 13, 2011

By Scott R. Flick

http://www.commlawcenter.com/fcc-administration/


"Very few current broadcasters "got their spectrum for free." The FCC has been auctioning off broadcast spectrum for over a decade, and broadcast stations that were licensed before that time have typically been sold and resold at "fair market value" many times over the years. As a result, it is a rare broadcaster that currently holds a broadcast license obtained directly from the FCC "for free". Most broadcasters have paid dearly for that license, both in terms of the station purchase price and the public service obligations that come with the license.

Still, fee proponents argue that because the original license holder didn't have to pay the government for the spectrum, the "free" argument still applies, no matter how many times the station has changed hands since then. That argument is eviscerated, however, by a simple analogy. When the United States was settled, the government issued land grants to settlers who "staked a claim" to virgin territory by promising to make productive use of that land (the "Sooners" being one of the better-known examples). Other than the promise to use the land, these settlers did not pay the government for their land grants. The land then passed from generation to generation and from seller to buyer many times in the years since the original grant. However, despite the fact that the original owners "got their land for free", I would wager there are few homeowners among us who would agree that we received "our" land for free, much less accept a governmental fee premised on that assertion.

How spectrum/licenses were originally assigned by the FCC (or its predecessor agency) many years ago bears no more relevance to today's broadcaster than 19th century land grants relate to the modern homeowner. In both cases, the original owner lived up to its commitment to the government to make productive use of the asset, and was therefore permitted to eventually sell its claim to others. To assert that these buyers are somehow suspect beneficiaries of land or spectrum ignores reality. Today's broadcasters are merely the spiritual descendants of a different kind of settler--the pioneers of the airwaves."
post #5110 of 5238
I love the land grant analogy. I doubt any one of you would give up your house just because the original land was provide to someone else for free. I'm sure you paid dearly for the land. I'm sure you are paying taxes on the land. Some of you might be farmers or business owners, and you are MAKING MONEY off that land, and maybe you are employing other people....

I never said that we should sit still and do nothing new with the spectrum, I said we need to go slow and think about what will happen. Once we sell your house and turn it into a Walmart, it will likely be a Walmart for a very long time. At least they might let you camp out in the parking lot (at some locations.)
post #5111 of 5238
There is an update for WLJC, looks like 88 kW DA from 70 kW ND
post #5112 of 5238
Wonder if anyone has info on WDKY's transmitter/antenna status?

FCC records seem to indicate WDKY is operating on STA with directional antenna.

Rabbit Ears lists the directional along with a new Omni directional (expiring 03/25/2012).

TVfool appears to show WDKY as using an Omni.

Signal levels outside the normal coverage area, a bit towards the south-southwest in Russell County, seem to indicate WDKY is probably still on the directional.

If the 'omni' is not yet installed, wonder if is still planned, and when target date is?
post #5113 of 5238
I've been wondering the same thing with WDKY antenna change. It's been awhile now...

Also if anyone is interested WTVQ will replace 36.3 24/7 Weather with Antenna TV that I read about on rabbitears.info
post #5114 of 5238
ME-TV is coming to WLEX-DT 18.2. Check out the ME-TV website, even better show selection than Antenna TV!!! OTA TV is getting good now !!
post #5115 of 5238
First:

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Originally Posted by ADWarrenLexKY View Post

ME-TV is coming to WLEX-DT 18.2...


Thanks ADWarren, that is good news.

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Originally Posted by jb_ky1 View Post

I've been wondering the same thing with WDKY antenna change. It's been awhile now...

Although WDKY has a CP for installation of an Omni antenna, it has not done so.

WDKY is still utilizing their 'directional' antenna, no firm date regarding a change.

This information has been confirmed by a WDKY technical representative.
post #5116 of 5238
Wow, so no more Wazoo?
post #5117 of 5238
Yes, no more WAZOO. At least here in Lexington. Don't think cable or Sat will pick them up.
post #5118 of 5238
Wow ... just tried to watch Dick Clark on WTVQ ... The PQ gave my old 1995 era dial-up internet streaming video a real run for the money. Pathetic.

Just bring back the ghosts, dot crawl, snow and never-twice-the-same-color.
post #5119 of 5238
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Originally Posted by sam_gordon View Post

I'm curious what you feel has been "unfriendly" actions on the part of the broadcasters.

ROTFL ... are you serious? If you really want a list I'm sure I could compile one, it might me take a while due to the length.

For now, suffice it to say that when given a choice to do 'the right thing,' broadcasters have *always* chosen the path that makes viewing a program *more* difficult (if not impossible,) *more* expensive and of lower quality.

PS: Sorry for the length between replies ... I was deliberately avoiding this thread in order to spare it from pointless bickering. Besides, I've already declared broadcast HDTV a complete loss and have moved on (which is probably exactly what broadcasters were hoping for.)

PPS: See post above for the latest broadcaster imposed travesty
post #5120 of 5238
I had an entire response typed out, but then elected to change it. I won't change your mind, so I'm not even going to try.
post #5121 of 5238
post #5122 of 5238
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Originally Posted by jb_ky1 View Post

WDKY has a new CP:...

Thanks for the CP.

Guess this indicates WDKY's signal will be unchanged for some time.

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post #5123 of 5238
WDKY CP was approved... no omni for now. Channel 31 is "out of core" in the broadband plan, I wouldn't expect anyone to spend hundreds of thousands to improve a channel that the federal government really wants to take back. The feds might pick up part of the tab to move to a new channel, but I don't expect them to cover the cost of the initial change as well.
post #5124 of 5238
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Originally Posted by HDTV4usinky View Post

WDKY CP was approved... no omni for now. Channel 31 is "out of core" in the broadband plan, I wouldn't expect anyone to spend hundreds of thousands to improve a channel that the federal government really wants to take back. The feds might pick up part of the tab to move to a new channel, but I don't expect them to cover the cost of the initial change as well.

I'll be fine with it as long as I can get it on 31 and I do a lot better than I did 4. Is there a new channel is could be moving to again?
post #5125 of 5238
Just wonder you all thought about Lynn Martin taking over WBKI and teaming up with WDRB/WMYO?

http://www.wdrb.com/story/18856143/wdrb-wmyo-form-a-partnership-with-wbki

Stronger signal? It's already at 1000 kW
post #5126 of 5238
What's the best indoor antenna for Lexington? I'm in northwest Fayette near masterson station park.
post #5127 of 5238
Mark-

I'm not sure an indoor antenna will fully work in your location. I do believe you'd get KYT, LEX, and TVQ, but not sure about KET or DKY. My suggestion is to get one, keep the receipt and try it out. If it works, keep it. If it doesn't, return it.

Is an attic mount an option?
post #5128 of 5238
Typical of WKYT, their PSIP stream has been down for over 5 days. Yes I called, but they truly are useless.
post #5129 of 5238
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Originally Posted by GTownKY View Post

Typical of WKYT, their PSIP stream has been down for over 5 days. Yes I called, but they truly are useless.

Figures... I've also been having trouble with WKYT. It's like they are back on channel 13 if not worse. Signal isn't solid like it used to be. I get WTVQ/WLEX just fine.
post #5130 of 5238
Thanks - I actually have one of those flat antenna's and can get TVQ and WLEX easily, sometimes WKYT pixilates and has trouble, but most of the time it comes in. I can't get FOX or KET at all usually, but there have been a few times they have worked fine. I don't watch OTA enough to get an attic mount and I don't even know if it's even allowed since I'm in a homeowners association......I think the coolest thing about OTA (for me anyway) are the ME TV and Antenna TV. I didn't even know they existed until the past couple of years or so....
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