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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi,

Here's some information on the new Toshiba RD-X2 DVD/HDD Recorder I got from a Toshiba sales tech.

The Toshiba "Will" let you transfer a DVD-R disc to the HDD and back to a DVD-R
disc. (The Panasonic HS2 will not let you do this from what I've heard.)
The DVD-R can't have any copyguard or it won't be allowed.

The Toshiba "Will" give you thumbnail icons on a DVD-R in the compatible video mode for standard DVD players. You will get thumbnail icons even recording directly to the DVD-R disc and not using the HDD.

It "will" have manual audio record level control.
Note the HS2 does "not" have this feature.
NOTE the sales tech guy first said it did not have manual audio level setting but
later said it did. So I'm hoping it really does.

The Toshiba will give you either PCM audio or DD2.0 audio.
Not sure if the PCM only works in the one hour mode.

The Toshiba has no proc amp for input recorded video like the Pioneer 7000.

The Toshiba will allow conversion of DVD-RAM to DVD-R.
With chapters intact. Not sure about thumbnail icons.
But it will need to be reconverted from the HDD to the DVD-R.
So a slight loss of quality. Not an exact copy off the DVD-RAM.

The Toshiba records Constant Bit Rate but has a converter when needed (complex picture) that is Variable bit rate. The sales tech says the picture quality is very good based on his own tests. Manual setting of the bit rate (best quality) tops out at 9.2 MBS.

Regarding the picture quality being washed out looking or pale like the Panasonic E20 unit he says the Toshiba doesn't look like this. It's appears to be fine and not a problem like the E20.

No Firewire on the Toshiba.
But if you're archiving off VHS/Hi8 etc. that's not
that important.

Not sure of the the built quality but the E30 is quite cheap feeling.
And it's tray is really cheap IMO. Especially compared to the E20.
And the HS2 will use the same build as the E30. The Toshiba probably will
be no worse and probably built better.

There are currently no dealers that he could tell me to check with who will
sell it when available. No Circuit City for sure.
It might be sold through better Video dealer type stores.
And not the national chains.

Sounds like the price also isn't firmed up.
I imagine they will have to compete with Panasonic or won't be selling many.

Warranty is nothing great.
90days labor / 1 year parts.

The Toshiba is out in Japan and the US model will be
modified slightly. There will soon be Toshiba Japan website with the information.
Albeit will be in Japanese.

This sales tech. is currently converting the owners manual into English for the US release. Can't give out name or his email. But he did say I could post all this info.

The Toshiba will let you create a wide variety of customized menu's.
With various Screen Backgrounds and various Screen Transparencies.

The Toshiba will "not" have Component Inputs.
It will have several input jacks.

The Toshiba has the recording mode to fit the specific amount of record time on the disc. You tell it how long to record and it picks the best bit rate.
They have a different name than Panasonic does for this feater.
And you don't have to use the timer like the E30.

The Toshiba takes DVD-RAM in or out of cartridges.

No lighted buttons on the Toshiba remote.

A simple on screen display allows for record speed setting.

There is NO PC keyboard input for titling.
You would have thought three years in design one person would have thought about this. So titling is still crude like all the other recorders.

80 gig HDD twice the size of HS2.

This Toshiba is apparently selling well in Japan.

Release date is supposed to be in the next few months.
But no date is being given.
But probably not until October or later is my guess.
I bet the HS2 is partly to blame as it's major competition.

It's sounds like the Toshiba may be the better of the two units (compared to the HS2) if all these
features are correct. Manual audio is definately a good thing. The E20 set the audio levels too low.

Well that is what I found out.
I hope it helps answer a few questions for those interested in the unit.

Cheers, Mark
post #2 of 15
Thread Starter 
Here are some Japan links for the RD-X2.

The babelfish language converter did convert Japanese to English for me.
The below links have much more information once connverted with babelfish.

Also, the menu's you can create are shown.
Just check out the various links once you are on the page and babelfish will
convert the next link you pick.

It also looks like you may have lossless DVD-R/R and DVD-R/RAM copying.

The menu's looks nice that the Toshiba lets you create.

The language converter is ok but isn't perfect yet.
Better than nothing : )

Mark

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press...5/pr_j0901.htm

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/webcata/av/rd_x2.htm

http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/dvd/j/recorder/rdx2/rdx2.htm

http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/dvd/j/

http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltr...%23ratedubcase

http://babelfish.altavista.com/
post #3 of 15
Quote:
The Toshiba has the recording mode to fit the specific amount of record time on the disc. You tell it how long to record and it picks the best bit rate.
They have a different name than Panasonic does for this feater.
And you don't have to use the timer like the E30.
The E20 has this limitation. The E30 does not require the timer.

Quote:
The Toshiba "Will" let you transfer a DVD-R disc to the HDD and back to a DVD-R disc. (The Panasonic HS2 will not let you do this from what I've heard.)
The DVD-R can't have any copyguard or it won't be allowed.
One person has said that DVD (dunno what type) --> HD won't work with the HS1, but we don't know yet with the HS2.
post #4 of 15
The Toshiba "Will" let you transfer a DVD-R disc to the HDD and back to a DVD-R
disc. (The Panasonic HS2 will not let you do this from what I've heard.)

Reply: Info I've read from Panasonic says the HS-2 will transfer from DVD to HDD.

Regarding the picture quality being washed out looking or pale like the Panasonic E20 unit he says the Toshiba doesn't look like this. It's appears to be fine and not a problem like the E20.


Reply: I own an E-20 and E-30; the picture quality on either machine is great. If your E-20 has a "washed out" or "pale looking" picture, I suggest you send it in for repair.

This will be Toshiba's first entry into the DVD recording arena (I guess better late than never). I think I'll play it safe and keep my order open for the HS-2.

Just My Two Cents,
Peter M
post #5 of 15
Let's not forget that Toshiba will most likely have chroma bug and inferior deinterlacing. It won't matter of course if someone will use it only for recording. It will also be way more expensive than HS2 and lacks Firewire.
Come on Toshiba, what is your problem.
post #6 of 15
Quote:
I own an E-20 and E-30; the picture quality on either machine is great. If your E-20 has a "washed out" or "pale looking" picture, I suggest you send it in for repair.
I have an E20 and like every other person here who has tested it, I have discovered that it does record a 'washed out' picture on DVD-R, not DVD-RAM. The problem is it boosts the black level of the signal...but not when it records to -RAM. The -R doesn't seem bad until you compare it to the same thing recorded to -RAM.

I'd love to know if the E30 fixes this.
post #7 of 15
The first babelfish link talks about recording 4:3 and 16:9 recordings. Too bad the translation is so poor. I can't tell if it'll let you set the recording AR or if its automatically done.
post #8 of 15
I, likewise, have had no washed out colors from the E20. I do use most RAM, but the Rs I've written have been good.

As to Toshiba. . .my first DVD player was a Toshiba and they've always seemed ahead of the curve, but they've also seemed to have their own "way of doing things".

Why is Sony not in this DVD recorder picture?
post #9 of 15
Quote:
I, likewise, have had no washed out colors from the E20. I do use most RAM, but the Rs I've written have been good.
Have you ever recorded the exact same thing to DVD-RAM and DVD-R, and then compared the two recordings side by side?

I thought the -R recordings were fine until I did a more critical comparison. Now that I know, it is quite apparent.
post #10 of 15
Most do agree that an image recorded on Ram looks better than DVD-R.

This also holds true if one uses a PC to make a copy from DVD-Ram to DVD-R. That tells me it is more of an enigma with DVD-R media, not the E-20.

This is precisely why I find myself storing most important stuff on Ram.

Cheers,
Peter M
post #11 of 15
Quote:
This also holds true if one uses a PC to make a copy from DVD-Ram to DVD-R. That tells me it is more of an enigma with DVD-R media, not the E-20.
It's not the media. Using PC utilities, I have losslessly converted DVD-RAM to DVD-R. I have checked these DVD-R and have found them to have kept the exact same black level and picture quality as the DVD-RAM.

I've even done a checksum on screen grabs to make sure they are identical.

It's not the media. It's the E20.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi,

A followup on my post.

This Toshiba is a second generation model.
The first gen. model was only out in 2001 in Japan
"RD-X1". It might have been the first HDD/DVD recorder released in the world. Before the HS1. I'm not sure.

My comment about the E20's washed out picture
on a DVD-R has been posted about by others here.
The Pioneer 7000/9000 doesn't have this problem.
But the E20 compared to the original footage going in
records the signal noticeably washed out when you A/B
compare the two upon playback.
I too would like to hear from E30 owners who could run a similar test and post the results.

I saw the E30 yesterday and was disappointed in how cheap it's built quality is. The buttons on the front even feel cheap. The HS2 is going to have the same box and thus quality of the E30.

I am a bit surprised by the posters who condemn
a new model before it's even been seen by anyone.
And like I mentioned Toshiba still hasn't firmed up the price they are going to sell it for. The HS2 is probably the reason. So let's give this Toshiba a chance as it may well be the better machine for recording.

For me not having manual audio is a poor design.
The E20 records at a lower volume with it's auto level setting. The Pioneer is IMO the best recorder for picture quality and features for basic recording.
But it's one big problem is recording up to 30 seconds of junk footage every time you stop recording in DVD-R compatible mode. For archiving this would drive a person crazy.

The person who posted about the Toshiba's lack of Prog. Scan for playback WHO CARES! , it's a recorder. I want the best features for "RECORDING".
Use a player that's loaded to get the best playing.
It's like saying a Mercedes car is lousy because it can't
pull a huge boat behind it or fit 20 people inside.
It's not what it was designed for. I want them to spend the money on the recorder and not as a player.

Firewire is not important if you are archiving from old tape formats. It would be nice to have but why get hung up on features of less importance. Good picture encoding and sound are the most important. And the ability to put chapters where "YOU" want them and manual audio level setting.
Far outweigh Firewire IMO.

I for one am looking forward to this Toshiba model.
And will compare it to the HS2 when they are both out.
It would be nice if we could get the full facts/specs.
on both units.

Mark
post #13 of 15
I have a question about either the HS2 or the Toshiba unit. Can anybody describe or detail the editing capabilities on recordings on the hard drive? I am looking for more powerful editing tools then my E20.

What I would really love to do is to take several television shows that are recorded onto the hard drive, edit out the commercials, place chapter marks and episode menu information, and then create a DVD layout that describes which episodes are to be recorded to the DVD in which order.

After doing all of that, I would like to be able to put in a blank DVD and press "dump" and walk away, letting the recorder dump all of the episodes to disk. That way, I could make multiple copies of the same episodes by repeating the dump process.

Does anybody know if either HDD DVD recorders will support this type of functionality?

Thanks!
Don
post #14 of 15
Quote:
Why is Sony not in this DVD recorder picture?
They already sell DVD-RW/-R set top recorders in Japan. It's a rebadged Pioneer though.

Quote:
Most do agree that an image recorded on Ram looks better than DVD-R.

This also holds true if one uses a PC to make a copy from DVD-Ram to DVD-R. That tells me it is more of an enigma with DVD-R media, not the E-20.
This would not be the media. The media is data independent. You can record whatever you want on DVD-R or DVD-RAM. ie. you can make the info on both absolutely bit-for-bit identical if you wish.
post #15 of 15
And the Toshiba also looks like it is unable to control external boxes like satellite IRDs or Digital Cable Boxes. The problems with retrofitting machines based on a Japanese TV system where over-the-air TV and limited cable is the norm and where the only direct-to-home satellite TV provider (BS) means the Japanese model has an input on the Japanese recorder. Nothing in cable TV or satellite TV "over here" was looked at by the companies who market to "secondary markets." I wonder what is coming out for the Japanese market this year that we will probably not see for another year over here? Yeah, the Toshiba's price is worriesome. The original MSRP was $1,500US! But then again, it's old in Japan. At least one Japanese website I have visited had the Toshiba listed much lower on a scale 1 - 10 of best featured DVD recorders in Japan (vs. the HS2), so it looks like it's not all it's cracked up to be. Never listen to salesmen's hype. They want to SELL it to you. They probably also know it's faults a lot better as that info would be available to them directly out of Japan. Too bad we'll have to learn that for ourselves...
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