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post #61 of 95
Alright, the 211 is scheduled for release in September for a retail of $299.00. Should be available for less.
post #62 of 95
Does anyone know if the 211's firewire output will be recordable by a Panny HD-1000/DST-50W Combo?

Murray Kerdman
post #63 of 95
mkerdman,

I'm not aware of anything that would prevent that...
post #64 of 95
Quote:
Originally posted by bfdtv
mkerdman,

I'm not aware of anything that would prevent that...
except how would you control it!.

sYou will need a STB that has a fully functional Firewire interface. Currently the only products on the market with fully functional Firewire interfaces is Mits/Hit Integrated HDTV, Promise Module, and Mits announced HD5000.
post #65 of 95
I searched the net for info on that stb I could not find much, i got the impression it would only work with mits up coming flat panel displays. bruce what do you know about
post #66 of 95
EDIT -- see next post

But if you can figure a way get the 211 to output the channels you wanted you should be able to record the signal at least according to reports from the reps at ces.. NOT sure how you are going to do that; even if it is possible, without an full funtional stb or hooking it to a mits set firewire as bruce said
post #67 of 95
Quote:
Originally posted by tonyb100
The output of the 211 is reported to include OSM items like menus ( which makes since as it is designed to be connected to a display ) etc . So if you triggered the menu etc while recording it would show up on the recording.
That is not true. Menus are not encoded in the video portion of the MPEG2 transport stream. You will not see them in the recording. Besides adding them to the video stream would require a $40k+ MPEG2 encoder.
post #68 of 95
That makes sence, just reporting what was passed on about it. i think the reasoning being used was the menu items would get sent out the port and therefore recorded; but now that you mention it they would not be in the video stream .. thanks
post #69 of 95
The menus would be encoded in the firewire data stream as AV/C commands to the display. Or something like that. It might additionally have some level of HAVi compliance--at some level of HAVi, I think that a device can present a Java applet which can be downloaded and run by a monitor which can send control messages back to it via pick and click operations through the monitor's remote.

My understanding of this is not particularly good, so I'm probably somewhat off base--comments, Ron (dr1394)?

-- Mike Scott
post #70 of 95
I guess I'm missing something here, but what is the reason why the 211 would not work with a Firewire STB like the Samsung 165?
post #71 of 95
Thread Starter 
From what I was told, the key to use (control) the 211 is you'll have to have it interfaced with a device that has Firewire Level 2 functionality. Mitsu has it with HAVi equipped devices, and so does Hitachi on their current integrated HDTV's.

I'm not aware of any other Firewire Level 2 compatible devices at this time, but I'm sure we'll start to hear about them soon.
post #72 of 95
Quote:
Originally posted by tonyb100
...i got the impression it would only work with mits up coming flat panel displays. bruce what do you know about
What about the possibility of the 211 being part of Dish's HD monitor program? Remember the press release of them toying with an HD monitor?

(I have a crystal ball:))
post #73 of 95
Anyone have a model number or any info on the Dish branded HD monitor?
post #74 of 95
It looks like the 211 will be a great add-on to the "New Promise" STB just announced by Mitsubishi. See my post in the HDTV Hardware Forum.

- Mike
post #75 of 95
The Dish monitor would be a 34" widescreen HDTV tube built by someone, branded by them, and designed to be a nearly profitless HD set to encourage adoption of HD among their customers.

Whether it gets sold or not, I dunno. It was very iffy in January.
post #76 of 95
OT Dish is doing the right thing with their offer.

Mike,
I agree, the 211 paired with the PM will offer an inexpensive complete viewing and recording solution. I have heard to expect HDNet on Dish in August.
post #77 of 95
If the 211 and a Mitsubishi work as we all hope, my next set will be a Mitsubishi.
post #78 of 95
I will pick one up as soon as they are available.
post #79 of 95
Yesterday, I was told in a phone call from Mitsubishi that based on the recent cable/satellite Firewire agreement the Echostar HD-PVR921 will be fully functional when connected by Firewire or DVI. I was told it will function just the same as the 211 as far as connectivity.
post #80 of 95
Quote:
Originally posted by kippjones
OT Dish is doing the right thing with their offer.

Mike,
I agree, the 211 paired with the PM will offer an inexpensive complete viewing and recording solution. I have heard to expect HDNet on Dish in August.
See, my source was right again, HDNet on Dish: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...08#post2168308
post #81 of 95
Kipp ---

You Da Man!!!!!!!!!
post #82 of 95
Quote:
Originally posted by Ken H
From what I was told, the key to use (control) the 211 is you'll have to have it interfaced with a device that has Firewire Level 2 functionality. Mitsu has it with HAVi equipped devices, and so does Hitachi on their current integrated HDTV's.

I'm not aware of any other Firewire Level 2 compatible devices at this time, but I'm sure we'll start to hear about them soon.
I surfed havi.org where in the FAQ it claims that a PC can be a HAVi device. I am curious about using MyHD with the 211. Are there any known Firewire cards or necessary software available or in the pipeline that would provide for this solution?

TIA
post #83 of 95
jsb_hburg,

Check out the thread on the Vividlogic PVR software elsewhere on this forum. It's about an upcoming product that will act as an AVHDD (including PVR functions) on incoming Firewire streams. It's why we're excited about the 211's Firewire output, although we don't have any definitive word if it will work with the 211, nor do we know what the CP story is with it.

In fact, if it weren't for the promise of this software, I would have no idea why this thread discussing the 211 is in the HDTV Recorders forum, since it basically is just a STB that outputs Firewire.
post #84 of 95
Holy cripes, four simulposts . . . sheesh, I'm embarrassed. . .


edit: duplicate posts deleted, thanks RTK for telling me I could, I promise to switch to decaf . . .
post #85 of 95
Less emberassing than reading all four, and thinking in your head three times "I've head this before, if only I could remember where..."

-Pie
post #86 of 95
Okay here's an off-topic sorta post, though *certainly* relevant... in an off-topic sorta sense!

I'm planning on getting Dish purely for the ability to record HBO so I have some HD movies that I can watch at my own leisure. My favorite DVD, Star Wars: AOTC is being broadcast in HD on HBO in June. I was thinking about biting the bullet and getting the Dish 5000+Modulator now so I could record it. But I would rather wait and get something more permanent like the 211. So here are the questions...

(1) Does anyone know if HBO repeats movies for three months? I'm an HBO newbie.

(2) Is that September date pretty firm? I know Dish is notorious for slipping on release dates, but I believe the September date *was* the slip.

(3) Copy Protection? Rumors abound on the "copy never" flag in 5C (I believe thats the one), and I've heard that the 211 and its PVR brother will obey these. But does HBO use these?

(4) If I get the Dishes/LNBs/etcs. for the 5000+mod, will that hardware be 100% compatible when I swap for the 211?

TIA.

-Pie
post #87 of 95
HBO cannot use Copy Never. Only PPV has that option. Copy Once and Copy Freely are open to HBO and other cable channels.
post #88 of 95
To the PVR it can be copy once and then never be able to put to tape?

Dave
post #89 of 95
We've been over this Copy Once stuff before in this forum. The documents that define these terms (DTCP Adopter's Agreement I think) stipulate that a Copy Once program on a PVR can be archived to tape provided that the copy on the hard drive is deleted or rendered inaccessible. However, it depends on the implementer. They could cop out and disallow archiving of Copy Once material at all.

- Mike
post #90 of 95
Yep, but until someone really has one, its much more enjoyable to fight about something no one can prove one way or another yet.

Dave
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