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Contemplating selling my CRT and going LCD  

post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 
OK, this is not ment to be a "CRT R00LZ and LCD DR00LZ" thread... I am in a serious mood right now.

Last December I purchased a Barco 801S from Curt, who has been one of the most helpful people I have ever met. My problem is that right now the fiancee and I are living in an apartment, and although I have a third bedroom as a dedicated theater, I am having problems with my CRT setup.

First off, I cannot mount the PJ in the ceiling, no matter what I try. I can get away with a smaller LCD, but they (landlords) said no way no chance to hanging my Barco up. So for two years, the Barco must be on the floor.

Also, my only available room is thin and long... right now it is setup with a 92" 16:9 screen, with my PJ on the floor between two chairs. I HATE the amount of space this is taking up... but the length of the room is perfect.

I am also tired of tweaking and tweaking and tweaking my CRT... I just can't get a perfect picture.

My question is a little advice. Supposed I hopped on Ebay and sold my Barco... are there any LCD's in the <$2000 range that provide a high quality image on a 92" screen? I have a DVDO Iscan V2, if that will help. Is it worth it? How do you guys like your pictures on LCD PJ's? Do they require a LOT of tweaking?

Thanks for any answers, I appreciate your advice.

Anthony Longo
post #2 of 31
The AE300 coming out soon sure sounds promising in your price range...
post #3 of 31
Anthony, actually I toyed with the CRT idea too. But the endless tweaking turned me off to the idea. Even though LCD's are getting better, they won't have the contrast and black levels of a CRT. But they do have nice color, produce an unfatiguing picture, and once its dialed in it doesn't become un-dialed in. Tweaking is strictly optional.

For under $2000, the only PJ's I'd consider are Panasonics. And I'd go straight to the panasonic AE300 or 75U. Check out some of the threads on these projectors.
post #4 of 31
Thread Starter 
I just noticed while I was surfing around... I don't have to pay in a lump some like I did for my CRT. If I can find places like Dell that sell LCD's, I can pickup a better one by just paying monthly payments :) I have great credit, I have no problem with paying that way... So if you have any dealer suggestions that do credit/payment plans... give me some PJ AND dealer suggestions!

I guess I have almost made up my mind anyways, all I want to hear from the experts is that the new DLP pj's today are good for Home Theater... I won't pick one up then go something like.... "OMG! I miss my CRT!"

Remember, this is coming from a guy who could never get his Blue and Green converged, so there was always a blur on my screen :)

Will I be using my IScan with a DLP PJ? Or should I sell that as well?

Thanks
Anthony
post #5 of 31
I'm going for a 75u as a first projector, but couldn't you build a structure coming up from the floor to hang the crt from?
post #6 of 31
Quote:
Originally posted by HTCrazy
Anthony, actually I toyed with the CRT idea too. But the endless tweaking turned me off to the idea. Even though LCD's are getting better, they won't have the contrast and black levels of a CRT. But they do have nice color, produce an unfatiguing picture, and once its dialed in it doesn't become un-dialed in. Tweaking is strictly optional.

For under $2000, the only PJ's I'd consider are Panasonics. And I'd go straight to the panasonic AE300 or 75U. Check out some of the threads on these projectors.
I actually just did take the leap and added an Ampro 2000g CRT from Robert Wood (a great buy from a great guy).
It throws a very, very beautiful picture indeed, better than my XGA DLP (in terms of color rendition and contrast dynamic range) but I am having the setup difficulties listed above (can't get it perfectly converged, blues a little out of whack) and the throw is not perfect for my room.
It is kind of fun to play around with though, and for under a thousand the picture can't be beat...
post #7 of 31
Quote:
Originally posted by XYnie
Remember, this is coming from a guy who could never get his Blue and Green converged, so there was always a blur on my screen :)
Thanks
Anthony
I feel your pain! I can't get my blues lined up right either...
post #8 of 31
First off do you want DLP or LCD? I own a DLP LT150 and love it! I just had another forum member over tonight who owns a Runco CRT and was very impressed with the image that I'm getting. BTW, I've owned LCD, CRT and DLP in that order.

I'm more than impressed with my switch from my Marquee 8000 to my LT150. They both have pros and cons but DLP fit my needs.
post #9 of 31
XYnie - since you also live in Louisville, I wouldn't even bother with the local sources. They're way overpriced and clueless. The best price I found on the 75U was with Projectorpoint.com, and the AE line is best imported from Japan at ***************.

Personally I'm waiting for the Sony WXGA LCD HS10 to come out in a few weeks for under $3k, but the AE300 for under $2K really looks promising.
post #10 of 31
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Truro
I'm going for a 75u as a first projector, but couldn't you build a structure coming up from the floor to hang the crt from?
To give you an idea of how small this room is... the following is a picture I just took from the door to the bedroom. The CRT sits on the floor between the two black leather recliners....

Basically.... there is no room :)

I happen to think my fiancee did a good job with the curtains :p

http://members.aol.com/Xynie/private/theater.jpg
post #11 of 31
Thread Starter 
Like I said for my choice of PJ... staying in the 2k-3k range is important, but whereever I buy from HAS to accept credit, just like Dell. With them, I can just pay a monthly fee and buy it that way... I unfortunatly do not have 3k to just lay down right now.

Plus Dell is offering 5-15% off right now on new PJ's...

I was thinking something along the lines of the "Dell" (which I guess is NEC) 3100MP DLP PJ. I don't understand the specs on a DLP PJ, since I know they differ from how you compare CRT's...

Here is the link to the PJ...

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...0&refurbished=

Still wondering... do I use a Doubler like the Iscan on a DLP PJ?

(Going to bed for the night, will be back in the morning)
post #12 of 31
Whats your seating distance going to be? If you haven't watched LCD or DLP HT before, make sure you have a tolerance for screen door if you're going to be 1.4X or closer. Instead of a blur you might complain about screen door once you get lcd if you were used to CRT.
post #13 of 31
Thread Starter 
Good Morning!

Scratch the 3100MP from Dell.... read too many bad things about it this morning. (Keystone and Contract problems)

I sit just about 1.5x from the screen... pretty much the standard... So now I am back to the drawing board on finding a PJ for me.

Wouldn't a line doubler like an Iscan help eliminate "Screen Door"?

Anthony
post #14 of 31
You don't really have to worry about screendoor for DLP's, it's more of an LCD issue. I don't use a doubler but I do have a progressive scan DVD player (RP56). I find that it works great and looks fantastic.

What are you using the PJ for? Just movies? TV? what...?

Thanks,

Mike
post #15 of 31
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Kysersose
You don't really have to worry about screendoor for DLP's, it's more of an LCD issue. I don't use a doubler but I do have a progressive scan DVD player (RP56). I find that it works great and looks fantastic.

What are you using the PJ for? Just movies? TV? what...?

Thanks,

Mike
I would say on a 100 percentage scale...

90% Widescreen DVD's
5% Cable Special Events (SuperBowl, Boxing matches)
5% XBox/PS2

Would that make DLP or LCD better for me? Any linkage where I can read about the difference?

Thanks
Anthony
post #16 of 31
I use my LT150 for almost the same % of use. I have an Xbox as well. :)
I just found the screendoor effect of LCD's bothersome but I have heard that some of the newer models are reducing that problem so I would check it out first. I also hated having dead pixels show up in my image which I haven't had to worry about with my DLP. A DLP can get a dead mirror but I still haven't seen one on any DLP PJ and judging from the dead pixel to dead mirror ratio of posts on this forum I believe that dead mirrors are not an issue.

Just figure out if you are sensitive to rainbows. I personally still haven't found anyone who is (20plus people tested) but for some people it can be a real problem.

Bottom line: Try and view the PJ for yourself before buying, let your eyes decide.
post #17 of 31
Add me to this list as well.

I've only had my Barco 801 setup for about 6-8 weeks and I'm already tired of tweaking and messing with it. Not to mention that the wife hates having a 150lb + projector hanging from a 10 foot ceiling.

Uggh I should have just got the AE100 back when I bought this, but oh well.

Greg
post #18 of 31
GSC hats off to you, for being able to talk your wife into it. You got my respect man!
post #19 of 31
Anthony & Greg,

About 9 months ago I went through the same thing as you and now I won't consider any projector unless it is digital. I was searching through some of my old posts and found this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=122960

though it might be helpful, most notably the 3rd post down...
post #20 of 31
GCS & Jude,
I used to own a Sony 1272. Same story with me, beautiful picture, always needed to be converged.

On evening we stopped by an Office Depot because my wife needed some supplies. After poking around I led her over to where they had a few digital projectors on display. I showed her the Infocus LP350(?) which is about 8" x 6" x 2" and explained to her how it could display HDTV also.

She had only 2 words: "buy it"

I thought to myself "I'm dreaming, somebody pinch me". The thought of replacing that big Sony with something so small was an easy sell for her. 10 days later I owned a Sharp M20X.

As much fondness and happy memories as I have for CTR's I won't go back. I love the little Sharp and because of the exceptional lumens we watch it more than the CRT. I can now leave lights on in the room and do other things while still enloying the big screen.

Clay
post #21 of 31
Clay I think you may be onto something for those who have the financial obstacles with the wife;
1. First, buy a CRT for peanuts.
2. When the wife gets tired of how much time you spend converging it and tired of how it looks taking up half of the living room space, take her to see a demo of the LCD/DLP of choice!
3. You'll get the instant OK to spend the dough!

Woo hoo! This is powerful stuff!
post #22 of 31
Thanks for the info everyone as it definitely helps.

Funny thing is the wife really has less of a problem with this than I do. She is not thrilled with the monster hanging from the ceiling but she is used to now.

For me I find myself sometimes too busy critiqueing the picture rather than watching it. I know I am going to do this no matter projector I have. I just think with a digital projector I will be more willing to say -- here it is and this is it. With the CRT I KNOW with more tweaking it can make a difference (more so than the LCD or DLP).

Because of all this I find myself trying to find time to work on it (nonexistent) and work a full time and part time job to supprt the family(wife no longer works) and then find time to spend my 2 kids who I swear grow up way to fast (one is 3 tommorrow the other is just now 2 months). So as much as I love this hobby I find myself feeling like that I missing out on life too much and I don't get to WATCH movies often enough because of the tinkering.

Lastly you guys bring up the lighting issue. Well this is actually a big one since the room with the projector is our Family room and everything goes on in there including all regular TV watching so lights are a problem.

So let me ask this how would a Panny AE200/300 handle a 119" diagonal Dalite Cinemavision screen?? BTW I would be feeding via an SDI modded RP82 to an H3D to a Radeon 9000 Pro.

Thanks

Greg
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post #24 of 31
That's a great point GSC -- when you know you can change the PQ by tweaking it would be much more tempting to get on in there and play around.
Trouble is with LCD this can be true too, just not as much of it. And, once you get it set, you pretty much dont' need to tinker like a CRT where the convergence keeps going out of whack.
post #25 of 31
Exactly. Lets set it and forget it. A CRT can be this way to a certain degree as well but you still think I know it can be better. Heck once I had my RPTV ISF calibrated I only converged about every 2 months and everything was great. Now I just have to decide if its smarter for me spend $600+ to get Chuck Williams down to do the CRT or sell it all off and go digital.

Ya know I had less difficulty deciding on whether to get married and kids than I am with this friggin mess, LOL!

Greg
post #26 of 31
Quote:
Originally posted by GCS
Exactly. Lets set it and forget it. A CRT can be this way to a certain degree as well but you still think I know it can be better. Heck once I had my RPTV ISF calibrated I only converged about every 2 months and everything was great. Now I just have to decide if its smarter for me spend $600+ to get Chuck Williams down to do the CRT or sell it all off and go digital.

Ya know I had less difficulty deciding on whether to get married and kids than I am with this friggin mess, LOL!

Greg
Greg,

The level of "tweaking" necessary for a CRT is directly related to the quality of the projector and the quality of the setup. I had Chuck Williams tweak my NEC XG110 in April and I haven't had to touch it since. If you are going to keep the CRT I would highly recommend his services.
post #27 of 31
i went from a sony 1272 to a panasonic lp75u and i love it! :D i can finnaly sit back and watch a movie without worrying that somethings going to mess up...
post #28 of 31
Quote:
Originally posted by GScott
Greg,

The level of "tweaking" necessary for a CRT is directly related to the quality of the projector and the quality of the setup. I had Chuck Williams tweak my NEC XG110 in April and I haven't had to touch it since. If you are going to keep the CRT I would highly recommend his services.
So your saying that if I had a CRT projector I could have it in a room which in the daytime has a room temperature of 22c but at nighttime anything from 7c to 12c and the convergence on CRT's wouldnt be an issue?. Also some people tend to not use their projectors for perhaps a few weeks or months, would this be a problem with CRT?.
post #29 of 31
GCS, I'm in the same boat at the moment. Eagerly awaiting the AE300 to possibly replace my NEC PG 9000 CRT.
The AE300 should be awesome, even on a 120'' screen. My advise is to wait and check it out before you do anything else.
post #30 of 31
Well, I'm coming in kind of late to this thread but anyone moving from CRT to DLP or LCD has to be prepared that there is an inevitable drop in contrast and black level. Just don't think you can easily beat the CRT image when going digital, especially at the $2-3000 pricepoint.

You can get a lot more convenience though, a smaller projector and an essentially hassle-free life - turn it on and watch a movie, no need to tinker.

I'm completely sold on the Epson EMP-TW100 LCD projector myself, bought it and am thrilled with it. Not sure how it would play with a former CRT owner though, but it does a lot of things right - great colour rendition, very quiet at 30db, 16:9 panels with high resolution (1280x720) so screendoor at 1.5 screen width is no problem (at least for me), faroudja processing built-in (so you can ditch the iscan). They do go up to some $3800-3900 I think, not sure about exact price level in the US - but if you can finance it it might still be in your price range?

Obviously its an LCD so black isn't black - but it is a very dark grey. ;) I prefer LCD's over DLP because the problems with LCD (black level, potentially screen door) are easier to grow accustomed to for me than the potential problems with DLP - a flickery, fatiguing image and possible "rainbows".

But of course, your own preferences come into play as well, and you really do need to view DLP's and LCD's before deciding, preferrably in your own home.

You could also consider hiding that CRT in some furniture, I guess. A nice table/hush box combo between the seats might work, something along the lines of what they do over at http://www.longbow-sp.co.uk/ ?
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