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i see it the same way it is very large, cutting off the bottom. and top it seems.

Who do we speak to -- I went to the KYW webpage, but the HDTV link takes you to the national CBS programming?

ok i'm 10 mile south of the airport and get all the old channels in 100%. with a standard antenna on the roof.
i also get both new channels 100%.but the logo on 17 is hugh and not very see through.

Here in downtown Broomall, PA I am getting a strong signal from UPN, but a very broken signal from WPHL. Are they broadcasting at full power? Both signals come from the same tower...shouldn't i receive them equally? I checked the signal out on three different receivers...no difference.

UPN and WB17 are on the same tower, right? So the only reason to get one and not the other has to be signal strength, right?

Up here in Bethlehem/Easton, I get WB17 perfectly, around 70%-80%, looks great! I cannot lock onto UPN57 (32-1) no matter where I point my rooftop antenna. It spikes and drops, like a multi-path signal would, and I cannot get a lock. This sucks because I virtually never watch WB. The only thing I watch on UPN is Enterprise and Twilight Zone on Wednesday nights, but Enterprise in digital as opposed to RCN-God-Awful-Analog is what I've been dreaming of for the last year and a half.

According to metronet, UPN57 is broadcasting at half the strength of WB17. That really sucks....

Cool! Two new digital stations. I got both in the upper 90's-100 last night. No PSIP data yet.

Both new signals were strong in Harleysville, PA (roughly 20 miles north of the towers). Also, no problems with KYW. They're all 100%.

I've never been too concerned about station bugs, bug WB-17 is huge and very hot. That can't be a good idea.

Rob

I picked up both signals at near a 100% signal strength.

I spoke to a WB engineer and he said they don't plan on keeping the WPHL bug in it's current form. he agreed that it was way too big. They already had a few calls today complaining about it.

Putting aside the WB-17 bug for a moment (I agree they've either got to shrink it or make it transparent or hopefully both) did anyone else think PHL-DT has a great picture, even in non-hd? For some reason the contrast looked better...some of the other station's non-hd broadcasts look a little washed out by comparison. Also, I liked thier approach to the aspect radio challange; a little off the top and bottom, partially filling out the sides. The non-hd shows looked almost as good as the hd on my set-up.

In Trenton on an indoor antenna, I got WB-17 on 54.1 but not UPN-57 on 32.1.

WB-17 looked wonderful, but the opaque non-changing bug has to go.

After a couple of emails with the head engineer at KYW regarding possible causes of the recent problems with KYW-DT (which he was not aware of any), he just sent me this follow-up email:
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Eric
We found a bad 1 watt feed forward amplifier that caused S/N to drop from 30db to around 25db. Would definitely affect some STB's. Take a look tonight and let me know if you see an improvement.
CUL Jim
James M. Chase
Director Broadcast Operations & Engineering
KYW-TV / WPSG-TV
101 South Independence Mall East
Philadelphia, PA. 19106
chase@kyw.com
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So I'm going to look when I get home to see if KYW is now better. You guys should take a look too. I didnt' know KYW and WPSG were together (but look at his signature). Must be same company that owns both.

Eric

Yes, CBS owns UPN now.

I wonder if this problem is affecting UPN as well?

I don't think so. I didn't have any problems with UPN last night. Also, I believe that UPN is on the new candelabra tower, while KYW's transmitter remained where it was.

Eric

Yes, CBS owns UPN now.

I wonder if this problem is affecting UPN as well?

Sorry for the dupe. I got an error when I submitted the first reply, thought it didn't go so I sent it again.

I'm surprised you have had problems with KYW-26. I have been taking regular screen grabs of their 8 VSB waveform since August of 2000 and never saw more than a 6 dB variation on their signal, as received in central Bucks County.

Some of that change in level can be attributed to foliage, weather, etc.

They did have a problem last year with crosstalk from the microwave analog TV studio-transmitter link (STL) getting into the digital STL. And there was a problem with jitter and dropped data a few weeks back that was corrected quickly. But they are as strong as ever, typically 50 dB C/N or more.

WPSG doesn't run as much power. The FCC Table of Allocations has them at 108 kW ERP. They do have a potent signal from the new tower, as does WPHL (licensed to run 172 kW ERP).

WPHL is using the same 14:9 aspect ratio that WPIX-DT was using when it was OTA from the WTC. The four HD shows on WB come through as 1080i 16:9.

WTXF and WCAU are also scheduled to move to the new tower. As of this writing, I do not think that has happened. Their signal strength is the same as before.

BTW, WPSG and KYW are both owned by Viacom, which owns CBS. WPSG's static PSIP shows 32-1, while WPHL is using a true virtual channel ID (WPHL 17-1).

Pete KT2B

Hi all,

I am happy to report that I am getting great signal from both UPN on (57-1) and WB on (17-1) Both are coming thru at 74-76%. I am in Manalapan in Central NJ.

Bring on Enterprise and Smallville. This is just great.

Franzius.

Add me to the list of happy campers. Both new channels are coming in great with my attic antenna in Freehold, NJ.

Sure hope WB17 does something about that bug though. It is beyond obnoxious.

Can someone help me? I'm in Somerset NJ and receive 57-1 at a signal strength of 50.

But I can't receive 17-1/54-1 at all. Nothing.

How could that be?

I have the DTC-100.

Thanks.

Looks like WPSG went to a virtual channel ID tonight -- I'm now seeing 57-1 on my set top box.

Eric

Maybe the folks in NJ can help me by letting me know the signal strength they are getting for each Ch. 17 and Ch. 57 as well as their location.

Thanks.

I'm wondering how many Dish 6000 owners are picking up 32-1 (WPSG) and where they are located? The engineer at KYW/WPSG seems to think that some STB's will be better at picking up the signal than others.

Also, isn't there a web site somewhere that will let me punch in my address and the station id for a transmitter and give me an idea of where I fall in the footprint? I understand WPSG went with a mostly circular transmission pattern at 107kW erp. I SHOULD be able to receive it here in Bethlehem Township. I can pick up EVERY other Philly DT station (WCAU isn't great because of low power, but I can at least get a lock if I fiddle with the antenna long enough) except WPSG.

In Sicklerville, NJ, I'm getting both @ 100% on my Hughes E 86 with the Rat Shack Double Bowtie Antenna.

WPHL-DT 54 (Ch. 17) WB has fabulous picture quality.

I'm in Mullica Hill with RS 150-2160 up 20 feet with Samsung t151

all stations 3/4 scale translated 75 85 in signal strength (i guess)

74% on WPHL-DT up here in Northwest New Jersey. Only 30% on WPSG.

I am getting WPSG at 94-96% on my Dish 6000 in Freehold, NJ. Haven't seen a dropout yet on this channel. The other new addition, WPHL is coming in at 81%.

Even in this hole here I am able to pick up 57-1, although it took several scans on my Panny STB to locate the signal. Can't find 17-1 which I believe is at a higher power. Anyone know of a way to manually enter 17-1 into the memory of the box as I think I will be able to receive the channel if I could somehow enter it into the box's memory.

Thanks everyone.

I'm completely shocked on why I can not receive 54-1/17-1.

I get 32-1/57-1 with a signal strength between 46-60. No sign of 54-1 what so ever.

I have a DTC-100 (F38310). Can anyone else with the DTC-100 pick this signal up?? Can it be the tuner and not the signal? If so, why this channel and no others?

Ch.6 and 3 come in great also.

Yet no 54-1/17-1.

I have a dtc 100 tuner (standalone) and after reading this message thread, I went and looked for these channels. Both came in loud and clear first time... yippee,,, more goodies to brag about ... keep em comin' in Phila

Don J