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post #211 of 6742
3/10/03 at 11:38am
Probably my fault here. I re-added the guide info for 8-3 Radar, but didn't actually re-add the content till today. It should be better now.

Tome Weber
WISH Engineering
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post #212 of 6742
3/11/03 at 4:54am
Hey Tom, I watched CSI-Miami last night, and realized after the :30 local break that I had not seen any color saturation break up. Looks like you got the problem resolved, or at least have it better!

Good work!

Ken
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post #213 of 6742
3/11/03 at 6:33am
Saw no breakups during CSI: Miami last night as well. Thanks Tom!
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post #214 of 6742
3/11/03 at 11:30am
Man I wish WTHR would be as responsive as you Tom. I sent them emails but have received nothing back from them.

They are the station I watch most and the only one I seem to be having trouble with.
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post #215 of 6742
3/11/03 at 2:39pm
Good to hear that I've got it solved. Right now I can't tell at home - my AV receiver is on the fritz - and I try not to be in my office during prime time .

Finally got CBS's 5.1 signal properly thru most of the plant here - some updated software and a re-configuration did the trick. So now I can proceed on the rest of the audio re-wiring. Lip sync may be changing for the worse and the better in a while - but right now I'm having to gear up for the multicast of the basketball games, time is getting short. I'll get back to the 5.1 surround before the final games!

Tom Weber
WISH Engineering
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post #216 of 6742
3/11/03 at 11:57pm
I'm a new user to the forum and was wondering for more information regarding the acquisition of WNDY 32 in Kokomo. The analog signal comes through clear as day, better than WRTV, WISH, and WTHR. But for some reason, the best I could ever get on the digital signal was color bars with WNDY in text in the early morning of this past Sunday. And even then, the signal was intermittent. I read in earlier posts about signal interference. Somebody mentioned a TV station I've never heard of before, WLKY. Where exactly are they located and what channel are they broadcasting on?

I'm not sure the exact make of my antenna, but it is good enough to acquire CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, and FOX WITHOUT a preamp (it is about 15ft long). The antenna is situated in my attic (3rd floor and NO obstacles between it and Indy except the attic wall). Since I can acquire all the digital broadcasts without signal loss, I don't think I have a need for a preamp. Am I wrong in this assumption? The TV I have is a Mitsubishi 55909 (last year's diamond model with built-in HD tuner). Unfortunately, this model doesn't give signal strength (could it be in the service menus??).

If anybody could give me some tips on how to dial-in WNDY DT 32, it would be much appreciated. BTW, that PBS demo loop (DD5.1 and all) is breathtaking.
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post #217 of 6742
3/12/03 at 12:21am
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Originally posted by Zorro524
I read in earlier posts about signal interference. Somebody mentioned a TV station I've never heard of before, WLKY. Where exactly are they located and what channel are they broadcasting on?

If anybody could give me some tips on how to dial-in WNDY DT 32, it would be much appreciated. BTW, that PBS demo loop (DD5.1 and all) is breathtaking.

WLKY is located in Louisville, KY and broadcasts their analog signal on ch 32. I don't know exactly how powerful they are but their signal seems to be fairly powerful in southern Indiana.

AKH
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post #218 of 6742
3/13/03 at 9:19am
For those interested in WTHR and the issues that were brought up in this thread:
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Thank you for your e-mail alerting me to the effect you are seeing on "Wheel
of Fortune".

I have recently added a brand new state of the art upconverter to upconvert
our regular standard definition programming to the 1080i format. This is an
amazing piece of equipment that was designed for the motion picture industry
to upconvert older theatrical releases to HD. It has a very sophisticated
video interpolation process that produces amazingly good video from a
standard definition NTSC picture and I think our upconverted video looks
great - much better than with our original upconverter.

That being said, this sophisticated box also has a lot of "hooks" built in
to tweak the SD video to make it look much better and, frankly, this box is
so new that we are still figuring our all of the functions.

I watched the upconversion of "Wheel" and noticed the same thing you
described. It is not apparent in other programming, probably because the
wheel spinning is a unique piece of video that shows this up. Anyway, I
figured out that our upconverter's recursive motion noise filter was set to
compensate for motion noise at too high a level. I brought the filter's
response and sensitivity to moving video down greatly and that seems to have
cleared up the effect you were seeing during "Wheel". Check that show out
again and I think that effect is gone.

Sincerely,
Al Grossniklaus
Director of Engineering and Operations
WTHR 13/WTHR-DT 13.1/13.2



Let me know if anyone sees any more trouble.

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post #219 of 6742
3/16/03 at 7:02am
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This is speculation on my part, but according the signal reading on my STB this morning, it appears that WFYI-DT 21 is now operating at full power(?). Up until this morning I've only been getting a reading of around 48-52. Now I've got a fairly stable reading between 76 and 78. Recently a station engineer told me that the station had a problem with its new antenna and was waiting on better weather to make repairs.

FGR41, thanks for posting the WTHR reply. I'm still seeing the color shifting that was described in earlier posts and confirmed by some other viewers. I plan to e-mail Al or Steve Hicks at WTHR about it.

By the way, if there are any DXers in this room, some great tropospheric conditions a few days ago led to some brief but great reception of DTV from other cities here in the Indy area. Some other areas, like parts of Illinois, were still seeing great conditions most of yesterday, too. Even with my somewhat modest outdoor antenna system, Friday I was able to see WKRC-DT, 31 & WLWT-DT, 35 Cincinnati (102 miles), WBDT-DT, 18, Springfield/Dayton (101 miles), and WCMH-DT, 14, Columbus(164 miles). I'm sure we'll see more of this in the next few months. MAX HD, how are conditions in your area?

Steve
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post #220 of 6742
3/16/03 at 7:13am
Hmm, what kind of conditions caused you to pick up those stations so far away? This is new info for me so I am interested in checking it out.

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post #221 of 6742
3/16/03 at 7:34am
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fgr41,

For a complete explanation and much much more about DXing, check out this website.... www.dxfm.com I hope you enjoy it.

Steve
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post #222 of 6742
3/16/03 at 8:22am
Steve,

Yea,I'm here.Stayed up late last nite waiting for something big to happen,but never did.Too far out on the edge,I guess.

No new DT's,but managed to log two new analogs,WMVS-10 Milwaukee,and WIWB-14 Suring,Wi.@400mi.I hope this Tr season is better than last year.

Let me know when you want to do the "project".

GregB
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post #223 of 6742
3/16/03 at 9:38am
Anyone hearing a "pop" sound on Channel 8 when they swtich back and forth between network programing and the upconveted local programing? I receive this on both the MITS TV and the Marantz A/V Receiver.

Sounds like a dirty selector switch on a cheap stereo.
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post #224 of 6742
3/16/03 at 4:56pm
I'm hearing the same thing on my Mits 55909 and my Harman Kardon receiver.
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post #225 of 6742
3/17/03 at 6:16am
Wish pop

The same here rca dtc100 and proceed avpII

Brad
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post #226 of 6742
3/17/03 at 11:16am
I have called wtiu-30 pbs bloomington 3 or 4 times in the last yr about there HD and they keep saying in a few more months. Is this normal for pbs?

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Brad
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post #227 of 6742
3/19/03 at 7:09am
Fort Wayne Update - The last major city in Indiana without DT transmissions.
WANE-TV 15/31-DT mid-May Waiting for the antenna
WPTA-TV 21/24-DT No date
WKJG-TV 33/19-DT June 1
WFWA-TV 39/40-DT No date, just as well it changes
WFFT-TV 55/36-DT mid-April

As usual subject to change.

Randy
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post #228 of 6742
3/19/03 at 9:10am
Thread Starter 
Randy,

Thanks for the Ft. Wayne DTV update. I was recently wondering what the status was there. I had read several posts a few months ago that WFWA-DT was just about ready to sign on. Well, obviously, that station has delayed its sign on.

WKJG was Ft. Wayne's first TV station and the first TV station in the state to have its own weather radar, but it doesn't appear that it will have the first DTV station on the air.

During good tropospheric conditions in the next few months, I'll look forward to receiving and logging my first DTV from Ft. Wayne. WFFT-DT on channel 36 should be my easiest catch, or WANE-DT on channel 31 when this pathetic low-power station on ch. 31 here in Indy is off the air (which happens quite frequently).

Steve
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post #229 of 6742
3/20/03 at 9:57am
Tom or anyone,

Will WISH TV carry the HDTV NCAA Games tommorow on the 8-1 channel ? I noticed last night that there are now 4 subchannels (Presumably for Multicasting for Thursday). Will this go back to the normal 3 channels with the HDTV feed on 8-1 for friday ? Or can you still do HDTV with 4 subs?

Really wanting to see the games in HDTV if any way possible!

Thanks!

greg
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post #230 of 6742
3/20/03 at 10:39am
They aren't planning to show any HD games until the final four. They are supposed to be multi-casting 3 games (plus the weather) instead of doing any HD.

But right now they are showing the exact same footage of Baghdad on all three sub-channels which makes no sense. With the only game on ESPN which means we won't see regional games???? Guess I need to read the other threads in the HDTV forum and see what's going on there.
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post #231 of 6742
3/20/03 at 9:03pm
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Originally posted by goldrich
Randy,

Thanks for the Ft. Wayne DTV update. I was recently wondering what the status was there. I had read several posts a few months ago that WFWA-DT was just about ready to sign on. Well, obviously, that station has delayed its sign on.

WKJG was Ft. Wayne's first TV station and the first TV station in the state to have its own weather radar, but it doesn't appear that it will have the first DTV station on the air.

During good tropospheric conditions in the next few months, I'll look forward to receiving and logging my first DTV from Ft. Wayne. WFFT-DT on channel 36 should be my easiest catch, or WANE-DT on channel 31 when this pathetic low-power station on ch. 31 here in Indy is off the air (which happens quite frequently).

Steve

Steve,

There's some strong enhancement from the south tonite.Louisville very strong.Finally nabbed WDRB DT-49(DTV#80).Hope it moves around toward Dayton.Still haven't got a hit on DT-18 yet.

Where's DT-45????????
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post #232 of 6742
3/22/03 at 6:52pm
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MAX HD,

Tonight I noticed that WXIN-DT (45) and WTTV-DT (53) are both off the air. I'm guessing that Rick Poling is doing some work on the entire DTV setup since he has both transmitters off the air.

I've seen very little tropo enhancement this week. Great job on logging DTV #80! If I can log WBDT-DT, 18, Dayton, I know you'll get it soon.

Steve
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post #233 of 6742
3/22/03 at 7:21pm
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A few weeks ago there were some posts about what channel WRTV-DT would eventually be using on a permanent basis. I asked WRTV engineer Paul Roehm about this and he recently replied with the following:


"I don't know that an "official" decision has been made. But, there are a
couple of issues that we have considered. The FCC has allocated no channel
6 DTV stations, and has made noise about taking 82 to 88 mhz to expand the
educational FM band. So there may not be any 6 to go back to. Several of us
have really serious doubts about whether 8vsb is going to work on low band
VHF. In one article that I read in one of the trades, the author said that
by his calculations, in real terms, that it was going to take a lot more
power than the few low band dtv's had been allocated to really make
pictures. Especially in another 9 or 10 years at the peak of the next
sunspot cycle.

Every 11 years, at the peak of the sunspot cycle, we have terrible problems
with interference from auxiliary services, other stations. During that last
cycle peak, we received interference on our precision demodulator from the
Channel 6 in Milwaukee, and the cable headend in Terre Haute received
interference from Paducah Ky.

There already seems to be some differences in coverage just based on some
experimental work that we have done, and some e-mails that I have received.
We know that the DTV transmitter provides reliable coverage at a greater
range than the analog, given a good antenna system. I have a viewer in
Monon, Indiana that can get 25 reliably, but can't get 6. And, when we were
doing some testing early on, we took a DTC-100 to the Terre Haute head end
and were able to get 25, 45, & 46 off their channel 20 antenna, but couldn't
get 9 off their channel 8 antenna.

When we built out the Digital system, we went on the air in September 1999
at our full licensed power (898kw) and we took the channel 6 antenna off the
top of the tower and replaced it with a channel 25 antenna. Then put a new
wrap-around channel 6 antenna below it.

As I said, no official decision has been made."

p:

Paul Roehm
WRTV, Indianapolis
paul_roehm@wrtv.com
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post #234 of 6742
3/23/03 at 9:22am
Does anyone know why that WISHDT is doing a simulcast of multiple games rather than showing one in HD? I was looking forward to some of the tournament games in HD, and now we aren't getting it.
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post #235 of 6742
3/23/03 at 10:46am
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Originally posted by zider
Does anyone know why that WISHDT is doing a simulcast of multiple games rather than showing one in HD? I was looking forward to some of the tournament games in HD, and now we aren't getting it.


Zider, the answer to your question was posted last month. Here's the post with the CBS HD schedule.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/cbs/spor...20ncaahdtv.htm


Steve
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post #236 of 6742
3/23/03 at 11:27am
The war coverage has really complicated our scenarios. If CBS goes to war coverage, they move games to other networks, who want exclusivity - thus we cannot digital-only multicast, if CBS has war coverage.

We CAN offer HD if CBS has war coverage, but only one location has HD production - thus only (in this round) on Fridays and Sundays is HD even a possibility - and only if CBS has war coverage, as we'd rather multicast if allowed.

And only on odd-numbered days that have an even number of letters in their names .

Tom Weber
WISH Engineering
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post #237 of 6742
3/23/03 at 2:21pm
Thanks for the input guys.
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post #238 of 6742
3/24/03 at 6:31am
Has anyone lost channel 4.1 and 59.1 digital. The analog channels are fine but the last few day I have lost there digital channels.

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Brad
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post #239 of 6742
3/24/03 at 6:32am
Yeah, 59.1-2 are gone. There has been no news posted as to why but others are seing the same thing. NOTING
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post #240 of 6742
3/24/03 at 6:33am
Thanks I will keep looking.

Brad
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