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post #6541 of 6947
Thanks for the help. WISH is the only dupes we are getting.

Thanks again.
post #6542 of 6947
Same here. Thanks for the explanation.
post #6543 of 6947
I checked out which RF channel was first on the duplicates. Surprising (to me, anyhow), the UHF translator was first, even though it was by far the weakest. RF 9 was the latter of the two, and the strongest.
post #6544 of 6947
Does anyone know what the absolute bottom tier (limited basic) at BrightHouse in Indy includes these days? Does it still include QAM locals in the clear?

Thanks!!
post #6545 of 6947
The brighthouse website should give what's in basic. I haven't checked for a while.

Maybe it's just me but I've found the clear QAM locals to be an on again, off again thing. One day it's fine and the next nothing but blocking and pixelation which then corrects itself in a few days. Wasting a saturday setting by the phone to have it be working when they came hasn't been worth it.
post #6546 of 6947
Just hooked up a new set and cannot scan/tune-in WNDY. My scribblings from my HD setup says its virtual channel 23 and RF channel 32.

I don't think this has changed, but I come up empty-handed when I look for it. And tonight, I discovered WIPB (Ball State's PBS station) when I directed my antenna a bit E of N and punched in 23-1!

I don't want a third PBS station, I want WNDY, with its 'Burn Notice' series on Wednesdays. I used to get it with antenna pointed a tad W of N. Any help out there?
post #6547 of 6947
WNDY is on RF32. WIPB is on RF23.

- Trip
post #6548 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

WNDY is on RF32. WIPB is on RF23.

- Trip

Are you aiming toward the Michigan Road antenna farm?
post #6549 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Hoosierky 1 View Post

Are you aiming toward the Michigan Road antenna farm?

Not trying to. I'm in Columbus and I get best reception of the main Indy stations (they're at the Michigan Road farm, right?) at about 340 degrees, which in the past hasn't been best for WNDY. Typically, I rotate the antenna almost due N for WNDY. But it's not been showing up on the new set.

Just occurred to me to check my old set (now on same antenna behind splitter) and see if WNDY comes in. Few minutes later: Yep, it does -- WNDY shows 8-10 bars signal strength.

I guess the problem lies with the new set's tuner. Damn! I guess I now know why I can't pull in WNDY with the new set, but I'm pretty sure I could get it before I put in the splitter. I guess the new set just isn't as sensitive as the older one.
post #6550 of 6947
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Originally Posted by T Heller View Post


Not trying to. I'm in Columbus and I get best reception of the main Indy stations (they're at the Michigan Road farm, right?) at about 340 degrees, which in the past hasn't been best for WNDY. Typically, I rotate the antenna almost due N for WNDY. But it's not been showing up on the new set.

Just occurred to me to check my old set (now on same antenna behind splitter) and see if WNDY comes in. Few minutes later: Yep, it does -- WNDY shows 8-10 bars signal strength.

I guess the problem lies with the new set's tuner. Damn! I guess I now know why I can't pull in WNDY with the new set, but I'm pretty sure I could get it before I put in the splitter. I guess the new set just isn't as sensitive as the older one.

Are you using a pre-amp? That might be all you need. Just a little boost will work wonders.
post #6551 of 6947
Thread Starter 
WNDY's transmitter/tower site is NNE of Noblesville, near Cicero in Hamilton County. WNDY's city of license is Marion. From Columbus, the azimuth reading appears to be around 358-359 degrees at approximately 63 miles. WNDY's directional antenna sends most of the signal north toward Marion and south toward Indy.

http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www...ION%26state=IN
post #6552 of 6947
Thread Starter 
FYI, as of about two weeks ago, WXIN increased its ERP to 1000 kw from 700 kW.

Steve
post #6553 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Hoosierky 1 View Post

Are you using a pre-amp? That might be all you need. Just a little boost will work wonders.

Most definitely. I've carefully followed the advice offered by the many contributors to this forum, including especially Steve Goldrich. (Indeed, I owe my entire TV viewing capability to this forum.)

I'll continue to puzzle this out, but likely will choose to bypass the new set's tuner (an LG) and install a trusty Samsung set top box to decode my antenna's output. Not only does the Samsung offer me the on-screen channel guide (no set on the market does this anymore), but the Samsung also delivers the audio (digital optical) *instantly* when I change channels. (Digital optical is the LG's sole audio out 'option' and it's not doing well hooked to a Bose system.)

For some unknown reason, the LG doesn't deliver audio instantly, resulting in a delay of 2-3+ seconds in the onset of sound everytime I change the channel, sometimes accompanied with a sharp 'crack'.

I've been trying to find a workaround to the annoying audio delay. A second Samsung DTB H260F set top box ATSC tuner (like the one I've had for years) will fill the bill. Am monitoring a few on eBay as I write.

I like the LG's picture (and its bigger than my older set), but I harbor reservations about its tuning, etc. The manufacturers have sold OTA consumers short.
post #6554 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

WNDY's directional antenna sends most of the signal north toward Marion and south toward Indy.

Thanks, Steve. That's probably part of the answer.

I just picked up a Samsung DTB H260F on eBay. There's not a whole lot of them out there, it seems. Or people who have them are quite happy with them (as I have been with my older HD-ready set.) Should be able to pull in & decode WNDY just fine now.
post #6555 of 6947
Thread Starter 
FWIW..........Which outdoor TV antenna works best? This test of various antennas was conducted in Michigan.

http://www.dennysantennaservice.com/...FYLsKgodUnDQmQ
post #6556 of 6947
I have DirecTV and use an antenna as back-up for my locals in case of bad weather. Despite numerous attempts of rerunning the antenna set up on my receiver I cannot get it make 59-2 as available channel. Has anyone had luck setting this up through DirectTV?
post #6557 of 6947
Okay... So I went to my mother's house in Terre Haute this weekend. She has DirecTV. PLEASE tell me that WTHI is only multicasting Fox on the channel 10 stream as a temporary solution until a second broadcast station is approved!

1) CBS-HD looks completely STARVED! Aside from how bad the Colts looked against the Titans, the PQ was so compressed, it looked like a really bad Flash video stream.

2) Fox-HD was not HD at all! The NFC game on Fox was listed as being in HD on the guide, but it was actually a horrible 480i letterbox. I assume that the primetime programming is the same, although I had to head back to Fishers before it came on.

What are WTHI's long term plans? My hope is that they will soon move Fox and MyTV over to a secondary station so that CBS can get the bandwidth it deserves. Even if the Fox/MyTV station is low power to start with, that would at least allow DirecTV, Dish Network, and Time Warner Cable to provide it in full HD... Any time table on this? PLEASE don't tell me that this band-aid solution is here for the long term!
post #6558 of 6947
It seems like it'd have to be a medium-to-long-term plan, if just due to realities of applying for a construction permit for a new station (I haven't heard anything about one yet, but I've not been paying close attention). The FCC might grant a Special Temporary Authority in the meanwhile, but I'd imagine that it'd take the FCC anywhere from 3 to 6 months to make any decision on the matter. Especially with the impending end of low power analog, starting a new station (low power or otherwise) in the immediate future will be hard, if not impossible. Not to mention that there's no upgrade process for a low power station to become full power. (You have to start all over again and apply for a new station.)
post #6559 of 6947
WTHI owns the license for W24DQ-D, they just have to light it up.

- Trip
post #6560 of 6947
I didn't realize that. Well, if that's the case, I would hope that they'd work this out sometime before Super Bowl Sunday. Is 10.1 still 1080i?
post #6561 of 6947
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

WTHI owns the license for W24DQ-D, they just have to light it up.

- Trip

Thanks for the info, Trip. I didn't realize it was owned by WTHI, Indiana Broadcasting, LLC (LIN Television). http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tv...0&facid=181025 WTHI should be set to fire it up since they already own a transmitter and have the antenna mounted on the tower from its pre-transition setup on channel 24. This could be like the setup in Evansville with WEVV, where Fox is fed in SD as a subchannel of WEVV, and Fox is fed in HD via low-power W47EE-D. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WEVV-DT2

Steve
post #6562 of 6947
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Originally Posted by jasonblair View Post

Okay... So I went to my mother's house in Terre Haute this weekend. She has DirecTV. PLEASE tell me that WTHI is only multicasting Fox on the channel 10 stream as a temporary solution until a second broadcast station is approved!

1) CBS-HD looks completely STARVED! Aside from how bad the Colts looked against the Titans, the PQ was so compressed, it looked like a really bad Flash video stream.

2) Fox-HD was not HD at all! The NFC game on Fox was listed as being in HD on the guide, but it was actually a horrible 480i letterbox. I assume that the primetime programming is the same, although I had to head back to Fishers before it came on.

What are WTHI's long term plans? My hope is that they will soon move Fox and MyTV over to a secondary station so that CBS can get the bandwidth it deserves. Even if the Fox/MyTV station is low power to start with, that would at least allow DirecTV, Dish Network, and Time Warner Cable to provide it in full HD... Any time table on this? PLEASE don't tell me that this band-aid solution is here for the long term!

I believe that having Fox on a subchannel to WTHI will probably be a permanent thing in order to have the Fox network available to the entire market. The low power translator license that LIN Broadcasting has will probably be for the HD version of Fox. Since the FCC goofed & allowed Nexstar to own both WAWV (formerly WFXW) as Mission Broadcasting & Nexstar actually owning WTWO, WTHI was the only choice for adding Fox. Nexstar needs to be stripped of one of the stations (WTWO or WAWV) since they're controlling the Terre Haute market with their dominance of having 2 of 3 commercial stations.
post #6563 of 6947
I'm on DISH but they will not provide WTHI's broadcast of FOX (10.2) in HD. I am about 40 miles south of the antennas at Farmersburg though and I get WTHI 10.2/FOX just fine in 1080i. That is until last week when suddenly it was letterboxing everything. Then on this last Monday night they showed House but they were broadcasting a signal that stretched the picture width out to 1920 pixels but the height was limited to just 480 pixels. I had to use the TV adjustments to put the picture into the proper proportions. It was the strangest thing I've seen concerning new HD.

BTW... the Terre Haute signals seem to be best along a north-south axis.
post #6564 of 6947
I heard back from the general manager of WTHI, and he told me that Fox in SD on 10.2 is the long term plan. He said that WTHI provides Time Warner Cable in Terre Haute a full, non-compressed HD feed of both their CBS and Fox broadcasts over cable. He also said that both Dish and DirecTV have permission from WTHI to provide those feeds as well, but as of the moment, DirecTV is instead electing to provide the OTA broadcast stream of 10.1 on channel 10 and 10.2 on channel 11.

So it seems to be his position that the lack of Fox in HD is in DirecTV and Dish's court for the time being. Those with Time Warner Cable are apparently getting Fox in HD right now. Those with satellite need to call DirecTV and/or Dish Network and encourage them to pick up WTHI's direct HD feed. Those without cable OR satellite are stuck with Fox in SD.

Let's hope DirecTV makes the switch-over SOON!
post #6565 of 6947
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jasonblair View Post

Those without cable OR satellite are stuck with Fox in SD.

Nothing like FORCING local viewers to PURCHASE local HD service from Fox. No wonder local TV stations are losing viewers and are becoming more and more irrelevant. Or maybe HD is not a big deal in Terre Haute. That's sad.

Steve
post #6566 of 6947
Ya...It's all about the money.

I'm 61 years old; When I was just a young lad and TV's were 23" B&W...... My Grand Mother was amazed.....She said: "Someday there will be a box on the side and you'll have to put coins in it to watch". This was said with rather broken English, as she came over in a boat in the late 1800's....Funny how in-tune she was with the modern world.
post #6567 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post


Nothing like FORCING local viewers to PURCHASE local HD service from Fox. No wonder local TV stations are losing viewers and are becoming more and more irrelevant. Or maybe HD is not a big deal in Terre Haute. That's sad.

Steve

LIN is not on Mediacomm cable due to a disagreement on money. Lots of people going satellite to get CBS\\Fox. This is not looking good PR wise for LIN.
post #6568 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

Nothing like FORCING local viewers to PURCHASE local HD service from Fox. No wonder local TV stations are losing viewers and are becoming more and more irrelevant. Or maybe HD is not a big deal in Terre Haute. That's sad.

Steve

People in the Terre Haute area need to call DirecTV and/or Dish Network and encourage them to pick up the HD Fox feed. It sucks that when my parents signed up for a two year commitment, they could get all 4 networks in HD, because Fox was in HD on channel 38, and since there was no ABC at all, DirecTV provided it from New York. Now that there IS a local affiliate for all 4 networks, DirecTV is providing what the local stations are broadcasting.

I'm not blaming DirecTV for what they've done... But they do need to be pressured to pick up the WTHI Fox HD feed, even though that isn't what is going out OTA.
post #6569 of 6947
Watching through U-verse, WISH and WNDY, along with WIPX missed the EAS test. Comments??
post #6570 of 6947
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Originally Posted by hoosierky View Post

Watching through U-verse, WISH and WNDY, along with WIPX missed the EAS test. Comments??

Wasn't Uverse obligated to participate in this test, too? They should have blanked every channel with the Nationwide test message.
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