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post #6601 of 6947
WALV has moved to digital channel 46. I wonder if 13.3 loses Universal sports after the first of the year, what will replace it ?
post #6602 of 6947
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Originally Posted by mrc54 View Post

WALV has moved to digital channel 46. I wonder if 13.3 loses Universal sports after the first of the year, what will replace it ?

Nice catch with WALV-CD. At 3 miles from the WTHR/WALV tower, now ch. 50 will be wide open for DXing (besides powerful WDTN, Dayton).

Steve
post #6603 of 6947
Anybody else think that WRTV 6 HD is looking quite poorly, lately? I know they've added yet another sub channel, but everything just looks dingy and grainier to me.
post #6604 of 6947
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Originally Posted by IndyJeff View Post

Anybody else think that WRTV 6 HD is looking quite poorly, lately? I know they've added yet another sub channel, but everything just looks dingy and grainier to me.

They added Livewell Network to the channel. They're on 6.3. Be thankful it's not in HD, or it would look worse on 6.1. ABC O&O stations insist on running Livewell in HD on their stations, along with HD on the main channel. So it looks like crap.
post #6605 of 6947
I can't explain it, but 6.1 simply lacks "pop." Not sure why bit-starving leads to decreased contrast and an overall dark look, but that's how it looks to my old tired eyes.
post #6606 of 6947
Well, La-Te-Da ..... I can't even get WRTV since they went to 3 subs. That is, on a Fusion RT Gold HD Card. Comes in good on my other tuners. It's not found when you do the scan. Was working, till I re-scanned to add 6.3......now nothing. Got to be an issue with the card's sw and WRTV's 'modified method'.....apparently doesn't meet some 'normal standard'.

Ediit: Spooky....Now it scans....Got me.
post #6607 of 6947
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Originally Posted by nathill View Post

I can't explain it, but 6.1 simply lacks "pop." Not sure why bit-starving leads to decreased contrast and an overall dark look, but that's how it looks to my old tired eyes.

Nat, while ABC-HD programming is on, have you compared the picture quality between WRTV (two additional subchannels) and WAWV (no subchannels)?

Are you able to receive the new WALV-CD 46 in Bloomington?

Steve
post #6608 of 6947
What's on WALV-CD?

- Trip
post #6609 of 6947
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Originally Posted by nathill View Post

I can't explain it, but 6.1 simply lacks "pop." Not sure why bit-starving leads to decreased contrast and an overall dark look, but that's how it looks to my old tired eyes.

Yeah, that's how it looks to me too. Like WFYI and their 73 sub channels.
post #6610 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

Nat, while ABC-HD programming is on, have you compared the picture quality between WRTV (two additional subchannels) and WAWV (no subchannels)?

Are you able to receive the new WALV-CD 46 in Bloomington?

Steve

I hate to admit it, but a double blind comparison revealed that I really can't tell any difference between WRTV and WAWX. I have to retract my earlier comment. ABC does a good job of sending out a really dark signal!
I can't receive a watchable 46-1.
post #6611 of 6947
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Originally Posted by mrc54 View Post

WALV has moved to digital channel 46. I wonder if 13.3 loses Universal sports after the first of the year, what will replace it ?

Me-TV is coming to 13.3. Already have my season passes for Peter Gunn and Route 66 set.
post #6612 of 6947
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Originally Posted by lambertman View Post

Me-TV is coming to 13.3. Already have my season passes for Peter Gunn and Route 66 set.

Very cool! AntennaTV on WXIN 59.2 has become one of my favorite OTA stations and now this will be a nice addition. Thanks for the info, Lambertman.
post #6613 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

What's on WALV-CD?

- Trip

Trip, it's WTHR's SkyTrak weather channel, the same feed that appears on 13.2 and what was on WALV-CA-50 (analog). No subchannels (so far).

Steve
post #6614 of 6947
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Originally Posted by lambertman View Post

Me-TV is coming to 13.3. Already have my season passes for Peter Gunn and Route 66 set.

Wow!; My 'second childhood' is coming true.
post #6615 of 6947
Has anyone attempted to configure a cable card with the HDHomeRun Prime on Bright House? I have the original HDHomeRun and get the ClearQAM channels and was wondering if I could ditch the Bright House DVR completely, but I have heard horror stories of getting the CableCard to work.
post #6616 of 6947
Fellow OTA viewers,

I'm loving the new 13.3 MeTV (despite its obnoxious station ID bug). However, yesterday and today, I am having a lot of trouble with reception on WISHTV 8.1-8.3 (no problems with any other OTA stations). I spoke with a station engineer this morning, and he said no changes have occurred on their end. He said to try their low-powered 17.1-3 instead. I did, and my 3 different tuners all divert back to 8.1-3 when I enter 17.1-3. However, I then get reception, but then it gets blocky and unwatchable again.

Is anyone else experiencing this with 8.1-3? I never had a problem with WISHTV before. In fact, 8.1 1080i has always been the best PQ of all the OTA channels I receive.

Thanks in advance.
post #6617 of 6947
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Originally Posted by BATman94 View Post

......... He said to try their low-powered 17.1-3 instead. I did, and my 3 different tuners all divert back to 8.1-3 when I enter 17.1-3. However, I then get reception, but then it gets blocky and unwatchable again.

Is anyone else experiencing this with 8.1-3?

WISH on RF channel 9 comes up as virtual channels 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3. Likewise, WISH on RF channel 17 (translator station) also comes up as virtual channels 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3. Most DTV tuners stack them up as two sets of each, 8.1 (RF ch. 9), 8.1 (RF ch. 17), etc. So as you channel up through your scanned stations, the first 8.1 should be from RF ch. 9 and the second 8.1 from RF ch. 17 (if it's received).

Depending on your location, which is not mentioned in your post, and depending on your antenna, WISH on RF ch. 17 might provide you a stronger signal than RF ch. 9. Are you using an indoor or outdoor antenna? This could make a difference as to which signal you receive better/stronger.

I haven't noticed any reception issues with WISH, but I'm only 5.5 miles distant from the WISH tower.

Yes, I too am enjoying MeTV on WTHR 13.3, along with AntennaTV on WXIN 59.2. It's nice to have some variety in OTA programming besides all the Judge _____________ shows, marathon newscasts, etc. It's too bad that This TV on WTTV 4.2 and WTTK 29.2 is preempted during the morning hours by Fox 59 News.
post #6618 of 6947
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Originally Posted by BATman94 View Post

Fellow OTA viewers,

I'm loving the new 13.3 MeTV (despite its obnoxious station ID bug). However, yesterday and today, I am having a lot of trouble with reception on WISHTV 8.1-8.3 (no problems with any other OTA stations). I spoke with a station engineer this morning, and he said no changes have occurred on their end. He said to try their low-powered 17.1-3 instead. I did, and my 3 different tuners all divert back to 8.1-3 when I enter 17.1-3. However, I then get reception, but then it gets blocky and unwatchable again.

Is anyone else experiencing this with 8.1-3? I never had a problem with WISHTV before. In fact, 8.1 1080i has always been the best PQ of all the OTA channels I receive.

Thanks in advance.

I live just North of Anderson, and get the same reception problems, more prevalent on 8 than 13. Seems to clear-up at some time of the year; Others, not so watchable do to constant audio dropouts. Both are VHF so I figure it's an antenna/location issue we are both experiencing. I do pick-up the low-powered 17.1-3 without the issue on the VHF band. And also have tuner issues separating the two cloned channels. There was a time when VHF 8 was 'the best'. When they first went HD on the NEWS I started watching 8 full time, but about 2 years ago I started having the issue and switched to the more reliable 13.

I assume the FCC is correct in their decision that VHF has better propagation than UHF, therefore the max power allowed for VHF channels is lower than for UHF. Well.....in a perfect world, I have a feeling this may be true, but when you include the many variables in a real world....I bet VHF isn't all that great of a transmission carrier frequency.
post #6619 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

WISH on RF channel 9 comes up as virtual channels 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3. Likewise, WISH on RF channel 17 (translator station) also comes up as virtual channels 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3. Most DTV tuners stack them up as two sets of each, 8.1 (RF ch. 9), 8.1 (RF ch. 17), etc. So as you channel up through your scanned stations, the first 8.1 should be from RF ch. 9 and the second 8.1 from RF ch. 17 (if it's received).

Depending on your location, which is not mentioned in your post, and depending on your antenna, WISH on RF ch. 17 might provide you a stronger signal than RF ch. 9. Are you using an indoor or outdoor antenna? This could make a difference as to which signal you receive better/stronger.

I haven't noticed any reception issues with WISH, but I'm only 5.5 miles distant from the WISH tower.

Yes, I too am enjoying MeTV on WTHR 13.3, along with AntennaTV on WXIN 59.2. It's nice to have some variety in OTA programming besides all the Judge _____________ shows, marathon newscasts, etc. It's too bad that This TV on WTTV 4.2 and WTTK 29.2 is preempted during the morning hours by Fox 59 News.

Thanks for the info. I have an amplified Omni-directional antenna (Radio Shack) in my attic connected to coax. that runs to 3 rooms in the house. As I said, I get all the OTA channels I think I should be getting. Of course just after sending the message, WISH seemed to clear up. Perhaps it was just the weather conditions, but still weird since I hadn't noticed that problem before.

I gotta laugh at the MeTV...their "e/i" designated programming on Sat. and Sun. mornings is about the worst programming I have seen. However, their main programming is great.
post #6620 of 6947
Hey guys,

I'm new to all of this OTA stuff and was looking to get in on all the OTA channels available in my area. I'm about 45 miles south east of all the antennas in the Indy area. I was looking at getting a large "bow tie" type of HDTV antenna. Here is a link to the one I was considering. Clickie. Am I headed in the right direction or is there something else I should consider. Or is even the right place to seek info on this stuff.

Thanks guys.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #6621 of 6947
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

Hey guys,

I'm new to all of this OTA stuff and was looking to get in on all the OTA channels available in my area. I'm about 45 miles south east of all the antennas in the Indy area. I was looking at getting a large "bow tie" type of HDTV antenna. Here is a link to the one I was considering. Clickie. Am I headed in the right direction or is there something else I should consider. Or is even the right place to seek info on this stuff.

Thanks guys.

Regards,

RTROSE

A DB8 is a good choice for UHF. It may work for WISH-TV on RF 9 & WTHR on RF 13, but I still don't recommend this type of antenna for VHF, as it may work for 1 person, but not for another person. Even though WISH-TV has a translator on RF 17, the signal is mainly aimed SW to protect WYIN Gary (transmitter near Cedar Lake in Lake Dalecarlia). If this antenna does not work on WISH-TV & WTHR for you, then you'll need to add either an Antennacraft Y10-7-13 or Winegard YA1713 VHF-Hi antenna for those 2 stations. Since you don't have a TV Fool listed, nor do you have a city/town listed that you live in (just mention that you're 45 SE of Indianapolis), the UHF antenna needs to be aimed somewhere between Trafalgar (for WTTV on RF 48 & if WIPX on RF 27 is important for the Bloomington stations) & Indianapolis for almost everything else (if you get a VHF-Hi antenna, that is only aimed at Indianapolis). Since WNDY is further north around Cicero, I wouldn't count on getting that from where you're at. We really won't know what you can get without a TV fool chart.
post #6622 of 6947
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

A DB8 is a good choice for UHF. It may work for WISH-TV on RF 9 & WTHR on RF 13, but I still don't recommend this type of antenna for VHF, as it may work for 1 person, but not for another person. Even though WISH-TV has a translator on RF 17, the signal is mainly aimed SW to protect WYIN Gary (transmitter near Cedar Lake in Lake Dalecarlia). If this antenna does not work on WISH-TV & WTHR for you, then you'll need to add either an Antennacraft Y10-7-13 or Winegard YA1713 VHF-Hi antenna for those 2 stations. Since you don't have a TV Fool listed, nor do you have a city/town listed that you live in (just mention that you're 45 SE of Indianapolis), the UHF antenna needs to be aimed somewhere between Trafalgar (for WTTV on RF 48 & if WIPX on RF 27 is important for the Bloomington stations) & Indianapolis for almost everything else (if you get a VHF-Hi antenna, that is only aimed at Indianapolis). Since WNDY is further north around Cicero, I wouldn't count on getting that from where you're at. We really won't know what you can get without a TV fool chart.


Thanks for the quick reply. Like I said I'm new to this stuff (OTA anyway) was not even aware of TV Fool, heard of antenna web though.

Here ya go.



Now that you have the info what would you suggest? I mainly want WISH, WTHR, and WTT4, WXIN, WNDY for Colts/football games.

I hope this helps you out. Thanks again.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #6623 of 6947
WNDY is about as far from you as the Terre Haute stations are from me. I know for a fact that you wouldn't get it with an indoor antenna. You'll need a fringe 60-120 mile antenna for it to get it with any reliability. Since you want WTHI and WISH, you may want to consider buying an antenna that specializes in VHF, perhaps with similar fringe reception.
post #6624 of 6947
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Originally Posted by kc9hzn View Post

WNDY is about as far from you as the Terre Haute stations are from me. I know for a fact that you wouldn't get it with an indoor antenna. You'll need a fringe 60-120 mile antenna for it to get it with any reliability. Since you want WTHI and WISH, you may want to consider buying an antenna that specializes in VHF, perhaps with similar fringe reception.


If this was meant for me thanks, could I impose on maybe a link or to to a fringe antenna? Is this what you are talking about? Something like THIS or THIS?

Thanks.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #6625 of 6947
The second link is UHF only, so it won't get WTHI or WISH (except perhaps for its low power retransmitter). The first one may work, though if a reviewer needed an amplifier at 45 miles, you'll definitely need one. (According to the AntennaCraft website, it's rated red (AntennaWeb's rating system) without an amp, violet with, so with an amp, it should work.) There's a good chance that, at less than 20 miles away, WTTV and the other Bloomington stations might overload your antenna if you have an amplifier hooked up, though, so you'll either want a separate (probably indoor) antenna for them or an amplifier that you can easily switch on and off. You may still want to buy with a good return policy, just in case you can't get WNDY.

As far as other antennas go, the double bay Gray-Hoverman antenna claims up to a 100 mile reception unamplified. If you're comfortable making an antenna, that's one way to go.
post #6626 of 6947
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

Thanks for the quick reply. Like I said I'm new to this stuff (OTA anyway) was not even aware of TV Fool, heard of antenna web though. Here ya go.

Now that you have the info what would you suggest? I mainly want WISH, WTHR, and WTT4, WXIN, WNDY for Colts/football games.

I hope this helps you out. Thanks again.


You're showing Columbus as your location. I live in Columbus, downtown at 6th and Washington.

I have one 'double-bow' antenna (Channel Master 4228) with a Winegard in-line power amp and this antenna, with a rotator, gives me good reception for WISH and all the Indy stations in UHF. (WNDY presents the biggest challenge, I think due to co-channel interference.) Can also turn the antenna to Louisville and get the major networks, all but Louisville's PBS. I get a good pic from Bloomington's PBS station.

I've got it all up about 35-40 feet with unobstructed view N to the Indy antenna farm, maybe advantages you might not have. I used to have the 4228 paired with a Winegard 1713 VHF (which I still have), but found that the 4228 did fine by itself.

Give me a call 378-2032 and I'd be happy to show you my set up. I benefited greatly from this forum, so I need to "pay it forward".

Tom Heller
post #6627 of 6947
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Originally Posted by T Heller View Post

You're showing Columbus as your location. I live in Columbus, downtown at 6th and Washington.

I have one 'double-bow' antenna (Channel Master 4228) with a Winegard in-line power amp and this antenna, with a rotator, gives me good reception for WISH and all the Indy stations in UHF. (WNDY presents the biggest challenge, I think due to co-channel interference.) Can also turn the antenna to Louisville and get the major networks, all but Louisville's PBS. I get a good pic from Bloomington's PBS station.

I've got it all up about 35-40 feet with unobstructed view N to the Indy antenna farm, maybe advantages you might not have. I used to have the 4228 paired with a Winegard 1713 VHF (which I still have), but found that the 4228 did fine by itself.

Give me a call 378-2032 and I'd be happy to show you my set up. I benefited greatly from this forum, so I need to "pay it forward".

Tom Heller

Hey thanks. I just may hit you up one day and take a look. Especially if I get lost in the weeds figuring all of this stuff out.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #6628 of 6947
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Originally Posted by mrc54 View Post

From what I have read on TVFool, WIPX-LP has applied to go digital on 34.1. Talked to the station manager several months ago to see if knew when this would happen, he had no idea. WIPX 63.1 does not reach Anderson very well. Does anyone have any infomation? 34.1 could fill in the gap like 29.1 does for WTTV.


I came across the above post from Oct 2010 and was wondering what the status of WIPX-LP 34.1 might be or if anyone had any additional info? I have only an indoor setup and am unable to get the parent station from the Trafalgar area.

Also, sorry, can't figure out why the title is in all small letters when I typed it in all caps.
post #6629 of 6947
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Originally Posted by T Heller View Post

You're showing Columbus as your location. I live in Columbus, downtown at 6th and Washington.

I have one 'double-bow' antenna (Channel Master 4228) with a Winegard in-line power amp and this antenna, with a rotator, gives me good reception for WISH and all the Indy stations in UHF. (WNDY presents the biggest challenge, I think due to co-channel interference.) Can also turn the antenna to Louisville and get the major networks, all but Louisville's PBS. I get a good pic from Bloomington's PBS station.

I've got it all up about 35-40 feet with unobstructed view N to the Indy antenna farm, maybe advantages you might not have. I used to have the 4228 paired with a Winegard 1713 VHF (which I still have), but found that the 4228 did fine by itself.

Give me a call 378-2032 and I'd be happy to show you my set up. I benefited greatly from this forum, so I need to "pay it forward".

Tom Heller

I had the Channel Master 4228 a while back and thought it was horrible, and decided to go with the Antennas Direct DB8 since I used to have a DB4.

But after the digital switch over I started having problems receiving WISH and WTHR with it.

So when my best friend got one of the Antennas Direct Clear Stream 5's and seen how good of reception he was getting with it, I went and got one.

I live just south of Plainfield and currently it's sitting in my sun room on the inside wall facing directly north and picks up everything at the Indy antenna farm, along with WNDY, but the amazing thing is that I'm picking up a clear signal of both WTTV and WIPX out of Trafalgar and there is no direct clear line of sight because of it sitting on the inside of a brick wall in that room.

I really can't wait to get this mounted correctly to see it's true performance.
post #6630 of 6947
Hi everyone. I live in Odon (Daviess County) and I have an antenna approximately 25ft in the air (not sure what kind but I had it installed about 5 years ago). There are some large trees around my house. I have an amplifier booster (not sure what kind). I am only able to pick up WVUT, WTWO, WAWV, WTHI. I would really like to pick up the Evansville stations (WTVW, WEHT, WFIE, WEVV). I provided the data below for those that know what all of this info means. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could pull in the Evansville stations? I truly appreciate your advice/suggestions. Thanks!!!


Callsign Chan Network Dist (mi) Path NM (dB)
WTWO-DT 36 (2.1) NBC 34.6 1Edge 22.4
WAWV-TV -- 39 (38.1) 34.6 1Edge 20.9
WTHI-DT 10 (10.1) CBS 34.4 1Edge 19.4
WTVW-DT 28 (7.1) Fox 60.0 2Edge 6.1
WEHT 7 (25.1) ABC 74.4 2Edge -2.6
WFIE-DT 46 (14.1) NBC 71.9 2Edge -3.6
WEVV-DT 45 (44.1) CBS 72.4 2Edge -6.0
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