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post #6691 of 6947
I can tell you that for my sister, who lives in Lafayette, she only gets WLFI with rabbit ears. She lives in the Lafayette city limits around SR 26 East. So I know her immediate area is flat, but not sure about how far south the terrain would be an issue. Regardless, she can only get 1 station with rabbit ears. If she could have an outdoor antenna where she lives, it might be possible to get the Indianapolis stations & WNDY (I now consider WTTK an Indianapolis station, since their antenna is located in the Indianapolis antenna farm).
post #6692 of 6947
Oh, so it's topographically similar to Danville, IL, and it's about as far away from Indy as I am from Terre Haute. Do yourself a favor, skip the indoor antenna. It likely won't help much.
post #6693 of 6947
While my house is being remodled, I am staying in Coatesville on the Hendricks/Putnam county line. While messing with the tv because New Wave cable had problems Sunday with the locals, I scanned the tv with the outside anteanna. No Terre Haute stations popped up. All Indy. Even WISH TV's translator made it along with their regular channel 9. The two were identical. No differences in reception whatsoever.
post #6694 of 6947
Thread Starter 
Attempting to watch the Notre Dame football game through the notorious fast-motion macroblocking blur vision from NBC and WTHR. Football is the only thing I ever watch via NBC and it's the same thing game after game and year after year. I've checked between a 60" rear projection HDTV, a 46" LCD HDTV and a 19" LED HDTV. It's crap. It's the same thing from cable (Bright House Networks) and OTA. I don't see anything like this from networks/channels like CBS, Fox, ABC, ESPN, BTN, etc.
post #6695 of 6947
Thread Starter 
I contacted Paul Roehm at WRTV regarding the lack of DD 5.1 audio. He replied, "The power supply in the audio processor has died twice now. And it is no longer supported by manufacturer. We're looking into options."

Thanks for the info, Paul.
post #6696 of 6947
What is this "notorious fast-motion macroblocking blur vision", Steve?
post #6697 of 6947
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by T Heller View Post

What is this "notorious fast-motion macroblocking blur vision", Steve?

I'll let others comment on it.

"OTA in Orlando, FL with a weather plus sub channel. typical nbc crap. macroblocking as well as the video not being synced with sound during interviews."
"WNBC-DT via Cablevision. Looks slightly better than last year so far. Less macroblocking (had a few moments during the opening sequence)."
"Watching in a hotel in San Fran on KNTV-DT, not sure how they are getting the signal, be it DTV, E* or OTA, but lots of macroblocking here as well."
"not near the macro blocking as last year. Looks good except for that occassional blurring/smearing. But, way better than last year...OTA Montgomery AL."
"WRC-DT (Washington DC), OTA in Annapolis MD. About the same as last year. Picture ranges from mediocre to bad; sound is pretty good as usual. The game would look a lot better if the players and cameras would all stop moving around. ...err, that kinda defeats the point, doesn't it."
"Dish Network and OTA, Appleton WI, HD on 46" Sammy 1080P. As always, NBC HD sucks in any fast motion. Turf looks like its moving. Macro-blocking on fast plays."
"Clear QAM TWC, Forest Hills NY, WNBC-HD. It's also awful here as well. I've noticed the same effect on "Late Night with Conan O'Brien." Anytime the camera moves, it's a horrible, smeary, pixelated mess. Whenever a player moved, you could see streaks of red or blue on the turf."
"I was watching OTA switching back and forth from the South Bend (1 SD sub) and Fort Wayne (2 SD subs) affiliates. Both had horrible pixelation and macroblocking."
"Why does the picture always get blurry when they come back from replay?"
Above comments from 2008 here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1063337/2008-thursday-night-football-on-nbc-hd-opening-night-redskins-giants

Now let's advance to Feb. 2012, Super Bowl in Indy.
"OMG! The macro blocking as the teams entered the field was horrible. Reminded me of the Pro Bowl broadcast. WNYT via TWC in Troy, NY"
"WNBC-DT NYC OTA. Overall the PQ is average but better then WCBS-DT. Noticing motion artifacts on all cameras. The turf is full on motion artifacts."
"WNYT via TWC, Troy, NY. 1080i with artifacting on any type of zoomed shot or dissolve/fade."
"Watching WDIV via Comcast PQ is the same as always from WDIV good with blocking during movement."
"WDIV 4.1 OTA Detroit,MI Overall PQ good notice excessive macroblocking but overall PQ is better than last year!"
"Horrible pixelated macroblocking mess on Directv."
"WXIA in Atlanta via Comcast. Just echoing what everyone else is saying, excellent audio & macro blocking on all fast wipes/movement. Does anybody at the affiliates actually watch what they broadcast?"
"WNBC-DT NYC FiOS. The animated transition in and out of replays is heavily macroblocked."
"Macroblocking galore during halftime."
"WHBF TV OTA and DirecTV have both had blocking - Moline, IL"

Another way to describe it is compression artifacts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact (includes video comparison)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroblock

http://hometheater.about.com/od/hometheatervideobasics/qt/Macroblocking-And-Pixelation-Similarities-And-Differences.htm

http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,1237,t=blocking+artifact&i=56319,00.asp

During a preseason NFL football game on NBC two years ago I was able to compare four different NBC affiliate broadcasts OTA (thanks to some good tropo reception conditions in the area) : WTHR, Indy; WTWO, Terre Haute; WISE, Fort Wayne; WLWT, Cincinnati. I could tell virtually no difference in the picture quality among the four stations relating to fast-motion macroblocking, artifacts, motion blur, etc. Some think part of the problem is due to reduced bandwidth when shared with additional subchannels, but WTWO doesn't have any subchannels.

My experience has been that Notre Dame football broadcasts on NBC are even worse than NFL games on NBC.
post #6698 of 6947
Gotcha. Thanks for the Wikipedia links. Yes, I too have encountered a "swimming" ballfield, mostly on zoom ins if I recall correctly. Didn't know NBC was well-known for this. I'll be more alert hereafter.

NBC's Sunday Night picture is really quite good. I can't compare it to Saturday Notre Dame games because -- well -- because I cannot stand to watch Notre Dame, to put it bluntly. ;-) (It's almost as hard to take as watching the New York Yankees in the World Series -- and that's really hard.)
post #6699 of 6947
WTHR, 13-1 (NBC) is broadcasting Sunday Night Football, on Thursday night, in Standard Definition 4:3.
Nice work!
I'd rather have the macro-blocking smile.gif

This is getting weirder. Comcast got it fixed, but OTA 13-1 didn't. Guess that tells us something about who is important.

The Hobbitt has now apparently fixed it on 13-1 as well, although the macro-blocking is at a new all-time high level.
post #6700 of 6947
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nathill View Post

WTHR, 13-1 (NBC) is broadcasting Sunday Night Football, on Thursday night, in Standard Definition 4:3.
Nice work!
I'd rather have the macro-blocking smile.gif
This is getting weirder. Comcast got it fixed, but OTA 13-1 didn't. Guess that tells us something about who is important.
The Hobbitt has now apparently fixed it on 13-1 as well, although the macro-blocking is at a new all-time high level.

Nat, some things rarely change........................ Well, with the score of tonight's game now 35-0 in the first half, this game is a turkey anyway.

To requote my favorite line from my post above, "Does anybody at the affiliates actually watch what they broadcast?"
post #6701 of 6947
It looked like the same PQ as for those Notre Dame games. Almost as bad as the Jets' performance. Almost.
post #6702 of 6947
What is this iSHOP (63.4) Channel? I can't find any news about this subchannel.

...and I agree about WTHR/NBC macro blocking-- WISH TV 8 has best local OTA HD video quality.
post #6703 of 6947
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Originally Posted by BATman94 View Post

What is this iSHOP (63.4) Channel? I can't find any news about this subchannel.

Just noticed this myself last night. Maybe it's to meet ad demand for the Christmas season. Adding another sub-channel improves their ability to sell advertising (I've already seen a Bose ad.) We'll see how long this lasts.
Edited by T Heller - 11/24/12 at 11:29am
post #6704 of 6947
It seems like ISHOP is essentially ION Life programming. I'm all for more free OTA channels, but it doesn't seem like that one is going to add much to the mix. Also, I still don't get any program/guide information for the ISHOP channel.
post #6705 of 6947
Has anyone else in the Indy area been having trouble with WFYI-DT the last couple of days? I first started using an antenna in mid-November, and WFYI came in great. (Northeast side of Indy, just south of Castleton.) Using an omni-directional indoor antenna. Now the signal strength for that channel is dropping into the upper 30s to low 40s (as reported by my TiVo). All the other channels seem to have the same or even better signal strength than when I first set this up last month.
post #6706 of 6947
It's not a terribly scientific measurement, but my signal strength meter reading for 20-1 is very low here in Bloomington, IN.
The picture is stable, but I would say something is wrong with their transmitter.
post #6707 of 6947
Thread Starter 
Plenty of signal from WFYI here near Carmel, but only 5 miles from the tower. WFYI is the weakest full-power Indy station at 225 kW but that should be plenty of power to reach the Castleton area.

Good luck on getting an answer from the station. They spend lots of time begging for dollars from their viewers, but if you send them an email question good luck getting a reply from them. I watch WIPB, Muncie (PBS) when I can. They are very good at assisting their viewers.
post #6708 of 6947
My setup is a CM 4228 (original design) in my attic. I'm in the LaFayette area (south-side). I don't have the best signal strength from 20. But, it's usually adequate. My problem channel has always been ch. 8 (WISH). I usually can get 8 only very early morning or later in the evening. So, for CBS programming, I almost always watch WLFI (18). I really haven't noticed much difference in 20's signal level lately, though.
post #6709 of 6947
Thanks for all the feedback. I moved my antenna a few inches to the left and rotated it slightly. That seemed to improve the reception quite a bit. Finicky thing.
post #6710 of 6947
Has anyone noticed "tin-can-like" audio lately on ABC 6.1 OTA?
post #6711 of 6947
Quote:
Originally Posted by BATman94 View Post

Has anyone noticed "tin-can-like" audio lately on ABC 6.1 OTA?

Yes-Compared to other channels, it sounds like their live news has no "bass". The network feeds sound ok.
post #6712 of 6947
WTHR website says Cozi Tv is coming to 13.2 on 1/28/2013. Looks like more retro tv is coming to Indy.
post #6713 of 6947
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Originally Posted by mrc54 View Post

WTHR website says Cozi Tv is coming to 13.2 on 1/28/2013. Looks like more retro tv is coming to Indy.

There can't be too many Retro stations. Love the sub-channels, and it seems to me that the technology continues to improve regarding their video quality.
post #6714 of 6947
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Originally Posted by mrc54 View Post

WTHR website says Cozi Tv is coming to 13.2 on 1/28/2013. Looks like more retro tv is coming to Indy.

I figured MeTV 13.3 was going away.....This is great to hear.wink.gif
post #6715 of 6947
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathill View Post

There can't be too many Retro stations. Love the sub-channels, and it seems to me that the technology continues to improve regarding their video quality.

Let's see if WTHR runs Cozi in 4:3 or 16:9. NBC runs it in 16:9 on all their O&O stations & the main feed is 16:9. It not bad for widescreen 480i on WMAQ-TV in Chicago. If WTHR runs it in widescreen 480i, it should look alright. Yes, Cozi runs some shows & movies (newer shows & some movies) in widescreen.
post #6716 of 6947
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ccrider2 View Post

I figured MeTV 13.3 was going away.....This is great to hear.wink.gif

From what I've read Cozi-TV will replace SkyTrak on 13.2 and 46.1. Yes, if anybody watches WALV-CD 46, it too will carry Cozi. It appears MeTV will remain on 13.3. "And that's the way Me likes it."
post #6717 of 6947
+1
post #6718 of 6947
Check out the news about Aereo.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/02/21/172532486/amid-lawsuits-aereo-brings-broadcast-tv-to-the-internet

Also a New Yorker piece:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/02/can-aereo-disrupt-the-tv-business.html

(Why can't I add a subject line to this? The AVSforum editor has been modified, it seems.)
post #6719 of 6947
Tom;

Interesting reads!
Thanks...

Nat
post #6720 of 6947
I have a great idea for WALV-CD 46.1 if anyone from Dispatch every reads this. Since Dispatch owns WALV-CD they could run their ONN (Ohio News Network) on it. Many people would like to see local affiliate news from Ohio and they could add WTHR news to the network and brand ONN as Ohio News Network and beyond. We do not need COZI on both 13.2 and 46.1.
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