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post #6721 of 6947
It appears ONN went belly up a few months back. It would be nice to see something else on 46.1. RTV (Retro TV) would be a good choice.
post #6722 of 6947
RTV will probably never appear in Indianapolis--at least, not with the "RTV" name attached. I can think of an ABC station in town that would have something negative to say about it... wink.gif

- Trip
post #6723 of 6947
Thread Starter 
I made the HORRIBLE mistake of having AT&T's U-verse installed four weeks ago. Since then, it's nothing but sporadic outages. It went out yet again about an hour ago so I called their service number AGAIN and scheduled ANOTHER service call for tomorrow morning. I'm going to start billing AT&T for MY time!
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Has anyone in the Indy area ever picked up the ABC station around Danville, IL?

I live in the Plainfield/Mooresville area and right now I have my DB-8 facing the Indy antenna farm mounted on the top of chimney @ 25 feet .

I know I'm out on the fringe, but would love to know if anybody picks it up, because I would gladly mount another antenna up there for 1 month
just to receive the Indy 500 live for once
post #6725 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Gerty View Post

Has anyone in the Indy area ever picked up the ABC station around Danville, IL?

I live in the Plainfield/Mooresville area and right now I have my DB-8 facing the Indy antenna farm mounted on the top of chimney @ 25 feet .

I know I'm out on the fringe, but would love to know if anybody picks it up, because I would gladly mount another antenna up there for 1 month
just to receive the Indy 500 live for once

Last year, WAWV in Terre Haute, IN broadcast the 500.

from a quote on their facebook last year "The Indianapolis 500 will be "LIVE" on WAWV (ABC). It has been more than a decade since the race has been aired live in the Wabash Valley. "

I would think you could get that from the Plainfield/Mooresville area easy enough, but your mileage might vary, and I'm not dead certain that WAWV is carrying the 500 again this year.
post #6726 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Gerty View Post

Has anyone in the Indy area ever picked up the ABC station around Danville, IL?

I live in the Plainfield/Mooresville area and right now I have my DB-8 facing the Indy antenna farm mounted on the top of chimney @ 25 feet .

I know I'm out on the fringe, but would love to know if anybody picks it up, because I would gladly mount another antenna up there for 1 month
just to receive the Indy 500 live for once

Good luck trying. I can almost see W31BX's tower from my house, it's definitely LOS. But even then, it's usually 50-60% signal on my indoor antenna. I think you'd be hard-pressed to catch it any further east than Crawfordsville, and that's only with a good outdoor antenna. Terre Haute is probably a substantially better option. While it's further away, it broadcasts on a much higher power. Check the contours on RabbitEars. You'll see that they put the WAWV 36dB contour as far as Martinsville, while W31BX's 41dB contour only goes as far as a bit past Veedersburg.
post #6727 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

I made the HORRIBLE mistake of having AT&T's U-verse installed four weeks ago. Since then, it's nothing but sporadic outages. It went out yet again about an hour ago so I called their service number AGAIN and scheduled ANOTHER service call for tomorrow morning. I'm going to start billing AT&T for MY time!

Thanks, very good to know. U-verse has been nagging me to do a no commitment trial but expect me to cancel my current services making cancelling U-verse painful if I don't like it. My condition was install in parallel. So far they haven't met it.

Brighthouse and EarthLink aren't great but they are reliable.

To be fair to AT&T their phone guys went the extra mile to fix a buzz on my line which was only there when it rained. Even improved the DSL which wasn't their problem. Hopefully the U-verse guys work as hard for you.
post #6728 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Les Auber View Post

Thanks, very good to know. U-verse has been nagging me to do a no commitment trial but expect me to cancel my current services making cancelling U-verse painful if I don't like it. My condition was install in parallel. So far they haven't met it.

Brighthouse and EarthLink aren't great but they are reliable.

To be fair to AT&T their phone guys went the extra mile to fix a buzz on my line which was only there when it rained. Even improved the DSL which wasn't their problem. Hopefully the U-verse guys work as hard for you.

Les, AT&T sent out two guys on Sunday to work on the lines in my neighborhood area after their line analysis indicated the issue was somewhere in their outdoor lines, and not inside my house with wiring or equipment. Fingers crossed, I didn't notice any dropouts or total outages last evening with TV or internet. We'll see. They are really trying to correct the issue but for the customer it can be a very trying situation while the problem is being corrected. The U-Verse service is very nice when it is all working properly.
post #6729 of 6947
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Gerty View Post

Has anyone in the Indy area ever picked up the ABC station around Danville, IL?

I live in the Plainfield/Mooresville area and right now I have my DB-8 facing the Indy antenna farm mounted on the top of chimney @ 25 feet .

I know I'm out on the fringe, but would love to know if anybody picks it up, because I would gladly mount another antenna up there for 1 month
just to receive the Indy 500 live for once

Yes, as a DTV DXer near Carmel, I have received W31BX-D, Danville, IL (a translator for WAND, Decatur, IL) @ 80 miles, but only a few times when tropospheric conditions were very favorable from that direction. As mentioned by Nat and kc9hzn, you would have a much better chance of receiving WAWV 38 (RF ch. 39), Terre Haute. It appears you are approximately 60 miles from WAWV's transmitter/tower in Farmersburg, IN, south of Terre Haute. WAWV's power of 850 kW vs. W31BX-D's power of 3.08 kW, and WAWV transmits from a taller tower, too. At that distance, virtually anything and everything can help your reception or hurt it. Try to get your antenna as high as possible over houses, trees, etc. A good UHF preamp would definitely help with your reception @ 60 miles. Good luck with it.

I'm fairly certain WAWV will once again carry the 500 this year, but as mentioned by Nat, you might want to contact WAWV just to confirm.

DUH...............Update: My brain just kicked in. W31BX-D would not help you watch the 500 even if you could receive it. WAND/W31BX-D is now an NBC affiliate, not an ABC affiliate. WAND and WICD, Champaign, switched affiliations a few years ago. A quick check on the distance between you and the WICD tower near Homer, IL, between Danville and Champaign, indicates that would be over 85 miles. Go with WAWV.
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post #6730 of 6947
What's embarrassing is that I wasn't even thinking about WAND being an NBC affiliate. Anyway, while WICD does put in a good signal in Vermillion, Benton, and Fountain Counties in Indiana, you're south of I-70, let alone I-74. It would take a decent opening (and tip-top equipment) to get decent reception, especially for the whole time of the race.
post #6731 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

Les, AT&T sent out two guys on Sunday to work on the lines in my neighborhood area after their line analysis indicated the issue was somewhere in their outdoor lines, and not inside my house with wiring or equipment. Fingers crossed, I didn't notice any dropouts or total outages last evening with TV or internet. We'll see. They are really trying to correct the issue but for the customer it can be a very trying situation while the problem is being corrected. The U-Verse service is very nice when it is all working properly.

Yes it is trying. Which is why I'm insisting they run in parallel to my existing service first. If U-verse didn't work out it would likely take a couple months to get the old system back. So the no commitment trial isn't as good as it sounds.

You may be running into the same issues as my phone which is the concern I have with u-verse. They're running high-bandwidth broadband for the last few thousand feet over twisted copper pair which may have been there for ages. Spliced, tapped, mouse chewed etc. No wonder that some people have trouble.
post #6732 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Gerty View Post

Has anyone in the Indy area ever picked up the ABC station around Danville, IL? I know I'm out on the fringe, but ... would gladly mount another antenna up there for 1 month just to receive the Indy 500 live for once

You might want to contact Aereo www.aereo.com to see if you can talk them into an account. Maybe then you could watch the race live via the NYC ABC affiliate. A subscriber 'leases' an antenna in an antenna farm and can watch, via the internet, the programming the antenna receives. Looks like they're offering short trials for free. They recently survived a court challenge and they're wanting to expand into about 20 markets this year.

I don't know whether they're currently restricted to serving only customers in the NYC area; I think their NYC-area 'restriction' may only pertain to carrying only NYC area OTA signals. So they might be happy to show you how you can gain the benefit of Aereo and its new-fangled service.

Learning whether this might offer a way to workaround the local Indy 500 blackout would be worth the time expended. Please report back on your experience. How's your broadband connection?
Edited by T Heller - 5/9/13 at 6:02am
post #6733 of 6947
Aereo's NYC service is limited to New York area only for trials. See http://support.aereo.com/customer/portal/articles/1009920-what-is-the-aereo-market-area-

Trials are limited to 1 hour per day and must be GPS verified to be in the service area: http://support.aereo.com/customer/portal/articles/667772-how-can-i-try-aereo-for-free-

Indy is not on their announced expansion plans: http://support.aereo.com/customer/portal/articles/919582-where-are-you-expanding-to-in-2013-

Aereo has a 1-0 lead after the first inning of the legal game. Long ways to go before they're declared the winner or loser.

Don't expect video quality to be any better than a Roku feed. Aereo says they can provide "up to 720p" video quality, but that's going to be dependent on the speed of the viewer's broadband connection (end to end) combined with the display device's computing power. IOW, don't expect broadcast quality on any big screen.
post #6734 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Gerty View Post

Has anyone in the Indy area ever picked up the ABC station around Danville, IL?

I live in the Plainfield/Mooresville area and right now I have my DB-8 facing the Indy antenna farm mounted on the top of chimney @ 25 feet .

I know I'm out on the fringe, but would love to know if anybody picks it up, because I would gladly mount another antenna up there for 1 month
just to receive the Indy 500 live for once

Here is an idea, this is what I do. Get Dish Network installed. They will give you Indianapolis Locals in HD from the 129 W SAT. After it is installed call dish and tell them you have moved and have set up all the equipment at a new address and your receivers work fine, but you need to change your locals. Keep your billing address the same and change your service address to an address in another viewing area. Have them change your locals, in your location Champaign, Terre Haute or St. Louis works well for HD as you are under the spot beam. I do this in Indianapolis and receive Dayton, OH locals. You are too far west to view Ohio, but I have watched Champaign, Terre Haute, and St. Louis from Indianapolis. As far as Indy stations are concerned, plug an antenna into your receiver and scan and you will have Indy stations also. Just make sure the service address you use is not being used by someone else. If I remember correctly when WBAK used to be ABC years ago in Terre Haute they could not run the race live. The Farmersville tower was still in the blackout area. WAWV may have had special permission last year as a new ABC affiliate.
Edited by bigrich77 - 5/10/13 at 4:19pm
post #6735 of 6947
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Originally Posted by bigrich77 View Post

Here is an idea, this is what I do. Get Dish Network installed. They will give you Indianapolis Locals in HD from the 129 W SAT. After it is installed call dish and tell them you have moved and have set up all the equipment at a new address and your receivers work fine, but you need to change your locals. Keep your billing address the same and change your service address to an address in another viewing area. Have them change your locals, in your location Champaign, Terre Haute or St. Louis works well for HD as you are under the spot beam. I do this in Indianapolis and receive Dayton, OH locals. You are too far west to view Ohio, but I have watched Champaign, Terre Haute, and St. Louis from Indianapolis. As far as Indy stations are concerned, plug an antenna into your receiver and scan and you will have Indy stations also. Just make sure the service address you use is not being used by someone else. If I remember correctly when WBAK used to be ABC years ago in Terre Haute they could not run the race live. The Farmersville tower was still in the blackout area. WAWV may have had special permission last year as a new ABC affiliate.

Not an option, I HATE Dish and DirectTV, I have enough family and friends who have it that are miserable with it.

Besides, I am not screwing up my entire internet/phone/cable package price to get satellite and still use cable for my VOIP and internet.
post #6736 of 6947
In that case, load your TV, inverter, antenna, lawn chair, and cooler up in your car or truck and take a day trip to a spot where you CAN get an OTA signal of the race. Watch it and go back home.

...or, book a visit at a hotel in one of those markets and make it a long holiday weekend.

...or just don't watch it on TV.

sheesh
post #6737 of 6947
If we're listing Internet "we set up an antenna for you and stream locals" sites, there's also FilmOn. SD streaming is free, HD streaming has a charge. It's available outside of the TV markets it has locals for (it shows me the Chicago locals). The primary question is whether it has Indy stations or not. If it does, then you're sunk, unless maybe if you go through a proxy.
post #6738 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Gerty View Post

Has anyone in the Indy area ever picked up the ABC station around Danville, IL?

I live in the Plainfield/Mooresville area and right now I have my DB-8 facing the Indy antenna farm mounted on the top of chimney @ 25 feet .

I know I'm out on the fringe, but would love to know if anybody picks it up, because I would gladly mount another antenna up there for 1 month
just to receive the Indy 500 live for once
If they are a full power UHF channel, then often the best hope for fringe reception is a 91XG antenna and a Kitztech 200 preamp. Or a lower gain amp if overload from strong locals may be a problem. If you're within 75-80 miles, then you may stand a chance. But a TV Fool map would give us a better idea.
post #6739 of 6947
Nope, it's a low power off-channel booster. It literally picks channel 17 off the air (or it may be a microwave feed, but I don't believe so, there's not a microwave antenna on the building) and retransmits it on channel 31 with maybe a kW of power.
post #6740 of 6947
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Originally Posted by kc9hzn View Post

Nope, it's a low power off-channel booster. It literally picks channel 17 off the air (or it may be a microwave feed, but I don't believe so, there's not a microwave antenna on the building) and retransmits it on channel 31 with maybe a kW of power.

I think you've confused WAND's ch 31 translator with the full power ABC station in Danville.
post #6741 of 6947
WAND and WICS/WICD switch networks a few years ago. WAND is now NBC with full power transmitter near Decatur and translator at Danville, IL. WICD has their transmitter between Champaign and Danville, IL. WICD may be farther, but is more likely to be picked up in the NW part of the Indy market.

From Plainfield and Mooresville, WAWV from Terre Haute is a much more likely catch.
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post #6743 of 6947
I am watching the 500 right now in Indianapolis on WAWV 39 from 77 miles away. I have a big antenna up 56' and still get quite a few drop outs. but, it is watchable!
post #6744 of 6947
Watched it from my son's house (which is a little south of Bloomington, In) broadcast from Channel 11 in Louisville, Ky.
Perfect signal, perfect race result as far as I'm concerned.
post #6745 of 6947
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89 View Post

I think you've confused WAND's ch 31 translator with the full power ABC station in Danville.

Nope, I was thinking of the channel 31 retransmitter. Besides, WICD isn't exactly a "Danville" station, anyway. They do have a news bureau here, but the studios are in Champaign (and let's not get me started on the weekend newscasts that are actually produced in Springfield), and the transmitter is about halfway between Danville and Champaign in Homer, IL (which is still Champaign County).

Anyway, I'm glad to see that you guys were able to see it. I really don't think that these restrictions on simultaneous broadcast do a whole lot of good. People don't buy tickets to see it live because it isn't on local TV. People buy tickets because the speedway experience is totally different, and they like it better. 4k and 8k 3D still can't exactly replace the live experience, after all. And there are other people who'd love to watch the race live but, for various reasons, would never buy tickets (dealing with parking, missing church, the noise at the speedway, dealing with babysitters, etc).
post #6746 of 6947
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Originally Posted by kc9hzn View Post

Anyway, I'm glad to see that you guys were able to see it. I really don't think that these restrictions on simultaneous broadcast do a whole lot of good. People don't buy tickets to see it live because it isn't on local TV. People buy tickets because the speedway experience is totally different, and they like it better. 4k and 8k 3D still can't exactly replace the live experience, after all. And there are other people who'd love to watch the race live but, for various reasons, would never buy tickets (dealing with parking, missing church, the noise at the speedway, dealing with babysitters, etc).

You would see attendance drop by one third, minimum if the race was broadcast live here in the Indy area.

While I love the race and have been to about 10 races, the headache to get there and back home is more than enough to not go. While being there is a great experience, only in some locations can you see about 50% of the track, and even then your head is on a swivel trying to keep up.

If IMS offered up a Pay Per View you be amazed @ how many locally would pony up to watch it live.

I ended up driving to a buddies house about 20 miles fron Covington, IN and watched the race @ his house. My only requirement was to be there @ 6am and cook ribs on his grill. Fair deal for me, free food and drinks, and I got to cook ribs in a great smoker.

Win WIn for me!
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Originally Posted by MikeGmach1 View Post

I am watching the 500 right now in Indianapolis on WAWV 39 from 77 miles away. I have a big antenna up 56' and still get quite a few drop outs. but, it is watchable!

What area of Indy do you live in, and what antenna was you using?
post #6747 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Gerty View Post

You would see attendance drop by one third, minimum if the race was broadcast live here in the Indy area.


I respectfully disagree. People, celebrities, big-wigs from around the world come to see this race (and be seen here). People flock here just for this huge event. The track area is always jammed with a few hundred thousand people. I would wager that you would not see any drop in attendance, if the race were aired in the Indy area. In fact, my view of the logic is this--the race can presently be viewed by anybody outside of the Indy broadcast area. Yet, the track is jammed with people. If people can view this without having to travel hundreds of miles, why do they still come? To me, it would make sense to ONLY air it in the Indy viewing area-nowhere else. The same thousands of people from outside the area would still travel to see this. Bars, restaurants would have more patrons flocking to the area businesses to see it on local tv-which would help the local economy. This idea of blacking it out in the local area is completely ludicrous (in my opinion). All this does is make local-area people angry. It's completely backwards logic. This is NOT like an arena-sized basketball game, where attendance might drop if televised.
post #6748 of 6947
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Originally Posted by Gerty View Post

You would see attendance drop by one third, minimum if the race was broadcast live here in the Indy area.
They already have attendance problems. There were many empty seats visible in the background of the TV shots. Granted, things are improving in the IndyCar series and this year's 500 may bring more people back.
post #6749 of 6947
I'm hearing the Indy 500 had the lowest number of viewers ever, including when it was on a tape delay basis years ago. Now back to Indianapolis HD news.
post #6750 of 6947
Please provide any feedback relative to my current specific issues:

Mounted a Winegard ..94P antenna in attic couple weeks ago and oriented to get optimal signals.

I have 100' coax to "temp" test to my master bedroom set and for Indianapolis getting about 30+ channels. Occassionally Fox 59 loses audio and visual for split seconds. Sometimes every 20 secs.

1. no ac outlet in attic; Can signal reception be improved via wires added or extending off the antenna?

2. 100' coax will be threaded outside and into the current comcast box on rear of house: ie. to make use of existing branch lines to different floors. Signal strength slightly lower when checking the temp setup so I will be integrating PreAmp and changing out the current three way splitter in basement to a balanced splitter. Does a PreAmp do anything for improved reception even when downstream? ie. Preamp will be placed at end of 100' coax , but just before splitter in the basement.

3. while the current temp setup is giving me 80 - 100% reception from the main stations (ABC, CBS, etc. HD very clear), a couple of the stations "sometimes" have ever so slight ghostings around the on screen channel labels/text. The full HD broadcasts look very good (for free) but not sure I would say they are better relative to Comcast. Can I do thinks to make images even more detailed?

4. Is it just the ways of broadcasting HD? Core channels fill out resolution to full screen (HD) but alot of the other channels may be only 480P (clear, but smaller resolution). Plus varying displays of ads on all channels. Is this just the nature of Free OTA signals?

thanks

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