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post #6901 of 6947
Updáte. I got the antenna lowered by 5 feet. Jim from Attic Antenna came out and the job done in less than an hour. Thanks for the input.
post #6902 of 6947
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Originally Posted by kc9hzn View Post

Yes, Chicago and Los Angeles would be devastated by another frequency reduction. And other markets, especially those close to them, would be significantly encumbered by adjacent channel interference. Truth be told, I've never had a lot of luck with VHF on indoor antennas, VHF-Lo especially so, but the digital transition made it worse. In a way, it seems like a play intended to halt cord cutting and bolster pay TV services. There's still an FCC Commissioner who has fiduciary interests in Internet pay television, after all.

Detroit will be impacted the most, since any repackaging would eliminate all allocations for the Detroit market (the only allocations would be on the Canada side). There's also the problem that Canada isn't interested in scaling back the UHF band again so soon, or at all. VHF-Hi can work with rabbit ears, but depends on where you're at. VHF-Lo does not work with rabbit ears at all. For VHF-Lo, you must have an outdoor antenna, & it must be one that is the old-fashion element type that's optimized for those frequencies. That was the only reason I got WBBM-TV when they were on RF 3. I get WOCK-CD on RF 4, but only with a pre-amp, as they're only at 300 watts, & not always reliable 30 miles SE of Chicago in the summer time.

I should add that RF 23 is the only potential channel that could be used as a full market channel, but WWME-CA prevents that from happening. Since Weigel Broadcasting refuses to give up the analog broadcasting, keeping it a Class A prevents the channel from being bumped. They even refuse to make a decision on whether to convert RF 23 to digital & keep the Class A status (can get better in NW Indiana, since it aims more of their signal toward my direction), or give up RF 23, & convert RF 39 to Class A digital (don't always get this station, as its signal is nulled in my direction, & not as strong, & must get this station for Bounce on 23.2, until Bounce moves over to WCIU 26.5, when WGN-TV takes over This TV on November 1 on 9.3).
post #6903 of 6947
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Originally Posted by IndyJeff View Post

Agreed that the Notre Dame game looked awful. Typical NBC lately.

The WISH issue happens all the time - at least once or twice a minute. You can't miss it. Sounds like it's a Comcast issue. Now that I think of it, I first noticed it after I switched to Comcast a few months ago.

I miss DirecTV... lol.

For closure, this was definitely a Comcast issue. Back on DirecTV and also watching OTA, the WISH picture is great. I take back the nice things I said about Comcast. smile.gif
post #6904 of 6947
Thread Starter 
AT&T U-verse = P.O.S.

I sit down to watch the Ohio St./Purdue football game on BTN and within five minutes the video was pixelating and freezing thanks to AT&T.
post #6905 of 6947
Well, Comcast has been out in the whole neighborhood since the storms on Thursday. No TV, no Internet, no phone, and no ETA for getting fixed. Talk about rain fade!!

They all suck! Except DirecTV which just works...
post #6906 of 6947
Thread Starter 
3:10 p.m.

AT&T U-verse: "Television signal has been lost." No audio, no video from ANY channel.

Over-the-air signal from antenna: Perfect reception from WISH and WXIN for NFL football action.
post #6907 of 6947
Watching the Colts game and switching between NFL Network on Direct and WTHR OTA. The WTHR picture really sucks. Blurry at times, pixelly, overall not good. The picture on NFL Network is so much better.
post #6908 of 6947
Thread Starter 
IndyJeff, I agree. I was comparing between U-verse and WTHR OTA. At least WTHR is consistent! Too bad WNDY didn't have the rights to this game, as it usually looks quite good there.

Back on Nov. 3 when the Colts played on SNF (NBC and WTHR), I had a friend in Kokomo compare the picture quality of the game between WTHR and WISE 33, Fort Wayne (he's able to receive WISE almost 100% of the time), both OTA. Here's his quick feedback. "It seems to me that 33 has better tracking than 13. The picture is smoother. Fast action is better reproduced on 33."
post #6909 of 6947
I found a feedback form on WTHR's web site, and sent a note to Engineering:

To the engineering department -

I'm writing to ask if there's anything that could be done on your end to improve the quality of the HD picture sent by WTHR? When we compare the HD picture from WTHR to other local stations, as well to other NBC stations in the area (via an over-the-air antenna), it seems like there's something wrong with WTHR's picture. It's never as sharp, it has many compression artifacts, and doesn't track fast motion very well compared to other stations.

If you're interested, there's a thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/186022/indianapolis-terre-haute-lafayette-in-hdtv/6900#post_23951250

It's a long thread, but the last few pages have discussion about WTHR's picture quality as well as observations from various members who are able to compare WTHR to neighboring markets. We notice it most in live sports (Notre Dame football, Sunday Night Football, and last night's Colts game was especially poor in comparison to the simulcast on the NFL Network).

Thanks for reading.
post #6910 of 6947
This morning I am getting (or not getting) the following:
8.1 is no signal found
8.2 no signal found
8.3 What should be 8.1
9.3 Same a 8.3
9.4 LWS
9.5 Radar
There are no 9.1 and 9.2. This is OTA.
post #6911 of 6947
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hoosierky View Post

This morning I am getting (or not getting) the following:
8.1 is no signal found
8.2 no signal found
8.3 What should be 8.1
9.3 Same a 8.3
9.4 LWS
9.5 Radar
There are no 9.1 and 9.2. This is OTA.

Yes, I just noticed that WISH, both RF channels 9 and 17, are missing PSIP, which means no call letters showing up and the virtual channel numbers are missing. Per my auto scan setup, something happened at around 8:39 a.m. this morning, as that's when the SiliconDust tuners were no longer able to read the info stream from WISH. Here's what I'm showing on my Zenith DTT900 tuner, same as yours:

WISH, RF channel 9: 9-3 (main WISH/CBS feed), 9-4 (LWS) and 9-5 (radar)
WISH, RF channel 17: 17-3 (main WISH/CBS feed), 9-4 (LWS) and 9-5 (radar)

Just a guess on my part, but engineers might be working on encoders/equipment. Stations are on the air, but the station is not currently feeding any station information for the tuners to receive, so no program guide too.
post #6912 of 6947
I noticed this, too, as CBS football coverage started at noon. After punching in 8, my Samsung set-top box tuner automatically switched to 9-3 and -to my surprise- a dependable WISH picture appeared. Getting WISH here (Columbus) has long been a problem with my UHF CM4228 antenna, Winegard pre-amp -even despite a rotator- so I'm happy. The picture on 17-3 is OK, but shows at about half the strength of 9-3.

Impressive to watch the storm roll in and Soldier Field evacuated.
Edited by T Heller - 11/17/13 at 10:59am
post #6913 of 6947
I have a Dish 722k with OTA tuner. I have lost 8.1-8.2-8.3. Did a manual add for transmit 9 and got 9.1-9.2-9.3 with guide info. What is going on at channel 8 ?
post #6914 of 6947
5:15 PM -- WISH has switched back to 8, from 9-3 and 17-3. Wild day to take on some engineering changes, eh?

P.S. Kudos to the entire WISH team -- simply excellent coverage of the storms and tornadoes sweeping across the state today. Well done!
post #6915 of 6947
Thread Starter 
I've recently noticed an audio issue with WRTV. While watching local coverage of the area tornado damage on WRTV, WTHR, WISH and WXIN I've noticed that it seems to be a constant issue. Local and network audio on WRTV sounds as though it's being passed through a bad fiber optics line, as it has an empty and hollow quality. I find it very distracting to listen to. I first noticed this a few weeks ago.

Overall, I find the audio from WISH and WXIN to be quite good from local and network sources. While network audio on WTHR sounds fine, the audio from staff members in the studio sounds muffled, as though you were listening to them via an AM radio station as opposed to an FM station. Even the remote field reporters on WTHR sound better than those in the studio, which is just the opposite of what most radio station setups tend to be.

IndyJeff, any feedback from your email to WTHR?
post #6916 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

I've recently noticed an audio issue with WRTV. While watching local coverage of the area tornado damage on WRTV, WTHR, WISH and WXIN I've noticed that it seems to be a constant issue. Local and network audio on WRTV sounds as though it's being passed through a bad fiber optics line, as it has an empty and hollow quality. I find it very distracting to listen to. I first noticed this a few weeks ago.

Overall, I find the audio from WISH and WXIN to be quite good from local and network sources. While network audio on WTHR sounds fine, the audio from staff members in the studio sounds muffled, as though you were listening to them via an AM radio station as opposed to an FM station. Even the remote field reporters on WTHR sound better than those in the studio, which is just the opposite of what most radio station setups tend to be.

IndyJeff, any feedback from your email to WTHR?

Yes, I did get a very good note back from Al at WTHR. Here it is:

Hello Jeffrey,

Thank you for your report of your observations and your question.

I am very much aware of the AVS Forum. I know Steve Rich and have been following the AVS posts for the ten years plus that the Indianapolis area Forum has been in existence.

What’s been most interesting recently is the variation of AVS Forum observations, in particular the posts of 10/20 that “It seems obvious, at least to my eyes, that WTHR has conducted some video tweaking, installed some new equipment (encoder??) or a little of both as tonight's NBC SNF game from Lucas Oil Stadium looks the best I've seen for a long time. A big reduction in macroblocking and the fast-motion blur as the NBC Peacock dissolves back into live action. A very nice improvement!”, “looking really good on DirecTV. This is the best it's looked on channel 13 in a long time” and “watched the game last night, and was very impressed with the picture quality. My old eyes thought the picture was much improved over previous games”.

To let you in on what video tweaking or equipment changes were made that resulted in those 10/20 comments…the answer is absolutely nothing! The WTHR equipment and settings on 10/20 were exactly the same as always and for any other broadcast. As those comments demonstrate, at least part of what you see comes from variances in the network feeds to us. Thursday night’s Colts game is a case in point. A mistaken assumption you are making is that the NFL Network feed to us was the same NFL Network on Cable/Sat/UVerse – it was not. We had to use a separate subfeed that NFL Network specifically set up for us that did not have the embedded NFL Network Nielsen ratings service codes so that WTHR would properly receive Nielsen ratings credit. I compared that NFL Network special OTA broadcast subfeed to their main Cable/Sat/UVerse program feed and noted myself that the OTA broadcast subfeed coming to us from NFL Network was not quite as sharp as their main program feed. So a good deal of the picture detail/quality Thursday evening was the network subfeed to us.

I understand that some Forum posters have at times commented about differences in picture artifacts compared with stations in neighboring markets. The range of those comments, including the very positive comments on 10/20 noted above, demonstrates how subjective these observations are.

I’m not saying that there are not variations in picture quality, there are. Many factors affect picture quality, and the answer to your question is that WTHR’s encoder is and has been exhaustively set up, finely tweaked and maintained to provide the optimal HD picture possible with incoming feed quality, resolution and subchannel content. The WTHR encoder operates in a “statistical multiplex” mode, which dynamically shares bits among the HD and two SD channels – with by far the highest bit allocation priority given to WTHR HD 13.1. So the encoder dynamically uses every bit available to optimize the HD picture while keeping a minimum service level to the subchannels.

I appreciate and value your observations and comments and those of the other AVS posters. Be assured that we’ll continue to insure that the entire signal path and transmission systems are optimized to provide the best possible picture quality.

Al Grossniklaus
Director of Engineering & Operations
WTHR NBC 13, WALV-CD 46, MeTV & COZI TV
post #6917 of 6947
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Originally Posted by IndyJeff View Post

Yes, I did get a very good note back from Al at WTHR. Here it is:

Hello Jeffrey,

Thank you for your report of your observations and your question.

I am very much aware of the AVS Forum. I know Steve Rich and have been following the AVS posts for the ten years plus that the Indianapolis area Forum has been in existence.

What’s been most interesting recently is the variation of AVS Forum observations, in particular the posts of 10/20 that “It seems obvious, at least to my eyes, that WTHR has conducted some video tweaking, installed some new equipment (encoder??) or a little of both as tonight's NBC SNF game from Lucas Oil Stadium looks the best I've seen for a long time. A big reduction in macroblocking and the fast-motion blur as the NBC Peacock dissolves back into live action. A very nice improvement!”, “looking really good on DirecTV. This is the best it's looked on channel 13 in a long time” and “watched the game last night, and was very impressed with the picture quality. My old eyes thought the picture was much improved over previous games”.

To let you in on what video tweaking or equipment changes were made that resulted in those 10/20 comments…the answer is absolutely nothing! The WTHR equipment and settings on 10/20 were exactly the same as always and for any other broadcast. As those comments demonstrate, at least part of what you see comes from variances in the network feeds to us. Thursday night’s Colts game is a case in point. A mistaken assumption you are making is that the NFL Network feed to us was the same NFL Network on Cable/Sat/UVerse – it was not. We had to use a separate subfeed that NFL Network specifically set up for us that did not have the embedded NFL Network Nielsen ratings service codes so that WTHR would properly receive Nielsen ratings credit. I compared that NFL Network special OTA broadcast subfeed to their main Cable/Sat/UVerse program feed and noted myself that the OTA broadcast subfeed coming to us from NFL Network was not quite as sharp as their main program feed. So a good deal of the picture detail/quality Thursday evening was the network subfeed to us.

I understand that some Forum posters have at times commented about differences in picture artifacts compared with stations in neighboring markets. The range of those comments, including the very positive comments on 10/20 noted above, demonstrates how subjective these observations are.

I’m not saying that there are not variations in picture quality, there are. Many factors affect picture quality, and the answer to your question is that WTHR’s encoder is and has been exhaustively set up, finely tweaked and maintained to provide the optimal HD picture possible with incoming feed quality, resolution and subchannel content. The WTHR encoder operates in a “statistical multiplex” mode, which dynamically shares bits among the HD and two SD channels – with by far the highest bit allocation priority given to WTHR HD 13.1. So the encoder dynamically uses every bit available to optimize the HD picture while keeping a minimum service level to the subchannels.

I appreciate and value your observations and comments and those of the other AVS posters. Be assured that we’ll continue to insure that the entire signal path and transmission systems are optimized to provide the best possible picture quality.

Al Grossniklaus
Director of Engineering & Operations
WTHR NBC 13, WALV-CD 46, MeTV & COZI TV

My "old eyes" thought they saw clear improvement recently. I sincerely thank Al for walking us all through all of the variables involved in the final picture quality.
I am beginning to understand that the local stations can not improve a digital signal coming in, and are at the mercy of that incoming signal. Sunday Night Football comes to my mind.
Thanks SO MUCH to Al for taking the time to explain how things work on the inside to those of us who sit in the grandstand and critique the performance!
As much as I hate to admit it, I can stand a little bitsharing (robbed from 13-1) in order to keep channel 13's excellent subchannels looking as good as they do.
post #6918 of 6947
Thread Starter 
Thanks Jeff for posting Al's reply, and thanks to Al at WTHR for his detailed reply.

I understand the differences in PQ between various telecasts, especially since Al mentioned that the station had not made any equipment or tweaking changes just prior to the Colts game on 10/20. That was one of the BEST looking telecasts I've seen of a football game on WTHR. But I don't understand the marked differences between stations, like WTHR vs. WISE, when the viewer is comparing the same broadcast from the same network feed at the same time and viewing both sources on the same HDTV. The night I was able to compare WTHR's SNF to WISE, WDTN, WLWT, WTWO and WAVE it was quite evident that the top overall PQ telecasts were from WISE, WLWT and WAVE, and not WTHR, WDTN or WTWO.

Over the weekend I watched basketball and football games from WTHR, WISH, WXIN, WRTV, Fox Sports 2, BTN, ESPN and ESPN2. The most annoying and unappealing broadcasts, mostly due to macroblocking and fast-motion blurring, were from WTHR. Friday evening, while channel surfing, I paused on WTHR to see what Grimm was about. Within 30 seconds, one of the main characters started running through a woods and pretty much the whole picture turned into a macroblocking mess. I then switched to another channel.

I didn't post any comments last evening, but while watching the KC/NO SNF game on WTHR, I kept noticing the same issues via U-verse. At one point I switched to OTA and the PQ did improve some.

I do find it interesting when Jeff and I post the same opinions about the various telecasts from WTHR, and also feedback from my friend in Kokomo comparing the SNF game PQ between WTHR and WISE on 11/3.
Edited by goldrich - 11/18/13 at 10:23am
post #6919 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

I've recently noticed an audio issue with WRTV. While watching local coverage of the area tornado damage on WRTV, WTHR, WISH and WXIN I've noticed that it seems to be a constant issue. Local and network audio on WRTV sounds as though it's being passed through a bad fiber optics line, as it has an empty and hollow quality. I find it very distracting to listen to. I first noticed this a few weeks ago.

Overall, I find the audio from WISH and WXIN to be quite good from local and network sources. While network audio on WTHR sounds fine, the audio from staff members in the studio sounds muffled, as though you were listening to them via an AM radio station as opposed to an FM station. Even the remote field reporters on WTHR sound better than those in the studio, which is just the opposite of what most radio station setups tend to be.

IndyJeff, any feedback from your email to WTHR?

I've also noticed their audio quality. But, I've only noticed the "hollowness" on their local news programming-i.e. live studio news. The network feeds seem to sound ok. To me, it really sounds like they are only passing mid-range frequencies. Very little high or low end frequencies from their studio feeds. For lack of a better description, it sounds like they are talking through a "tin-can". Even their ads sound ok during the news segments. It's only the live studio feeds that sound whacky. I'm only guessing here, but, it sounds like there is some sort of filter on either their wireless mic receivers or some filter on their studio audio board that is not set correctly that is causing this bad sounding audio. Just my $.02.
post #6920 of 6947
Thread Starter 
post #6921 of 6947
I'll be perfectly honest with you. I can't name one new show on NBC. I'm not sure I could name more than 7 continuing shows, and that's counting Dateline, The Tonight Show, Today, and the NBC Nightly News. Sure, I don't really follow TV anymore, but even I could probably tell you at least four non-news shows on Fox, ABC, and even CBS (which I never can manage to tune in).

I'm probably not indicative of the American television audience (but perhaps I am of the young adult male without cable viewing audience), but even I hear about TV at work, and I never hear about shows on NBC. Nor do I see people borrowing current NBC programming at the library I work at. CBS definitely, though to be fair to NBC, I don't see much ABC or Fox either.
post #6922 of 6947
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Originally Posted by kc9hzn View Post

I'll be perfectly honest with you. I can't name one new show on NBC. I'm not sure I could name more than 7 continuing shows, and that's counting Dateline, The Tonight Show, Today, and the NBC Nightly News. Sure, I don't really follow TV anymore, but even I could probably tell you at least four non-news shows on Fox, ABC, and even CBS (which I never can manage to tune in).

The Blacklist is pretty good... smile.gif
post #6923 of 6947
Fair enough. Keep in mind that I watch less than two hours of TV a week. Maybe up to six or so on average if you count Netflix. Though I do look up the new TV schedule each year, I haven't found a show that I feel I need to watch each week on the networks' VoD apps, let alone at usual airing time. So I never see advertising for shows on TV.

Speaking of which, how does Nielsen handle online VoD viewing? Hulu's been around for six years now, TV on iTunes for 7 or 8. Sure, the networks don't need Nielsen for that, I'm sure they have their own stats. But, for Nielsen's raw numbers, it seems like they'd need to to have any relevance in today's media landscape.
post #6924 of 6947
Thread Starter 
The only thing I watch from NBC is football, and nothing else. I'm currently watching the Notre Dame game through the macroblocking and fast-motion blur on WTHR. OTA slightly better PQ than via U-verse.

This says a lot (or maybe very little) about the programming on NBC...... http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/11/22/the-cw-outrates-nbc-thursday-night-lineup/217630/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29
post #6925 of 6947
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Originally Posted by IndyJeff View Post

The Blacklist is pretty good... smile.gif
Yes, it is. Definitely lots of twists in the plot line.

Among NBC's new shows this year, I was interested in Ironside and the Michael J. Fox show, but deleted the series link from my DVR after one episode each.

I'm a long-time Law & Order fan, so I'm still watching Law & Order: SVU as that's the only spin-off still on the air. I liked Community, but it went away, though I see it's coming back in January.

Like many others here, I DVR just about everything I watch and the only shows I watch in real time are live sports. If a show doesn't catch my interest enough to DVR it, I'll probably never see it.
post #6926 of 6947
Anyone using a HDHomeRun in central Indiana, having issues with WHMB 40.1 & 40.2?

For about a week, I've been getting a lot of packet drops, on that channel only.
I have also noticed a weaker signal from WISH 9.1 -..2 - .3 (a few drops) while the RF 17 is still good. on a MyHD Tuner I've had VHF weakness here at my location with WISH in the past, but not for the past year or so.

My TiVo seems to NOT see this problem on any channel. It does get it's signal from the same antenna, which I've tried rotating...with no joy. The signal does take different paths though; the HDHR's are fed from an eight-way powered Channelvision Splitter that is fed from 1 of 2 four-way powered Channelvision Splitter ports. I did try to attenuate (2db) the input to the 8-way, but that just wiped-out all the signal from the HDHR's. Never had an issue with this config for ....well, since forever.

My location is just North of Anderson. I think 40 WHMB is around Noblesville, so I suppose I'm picking that up from the side, a bit....but closer.
Anyone reporting any Tropo issues lately? Seems like this time of year was an issue in the past with some of my signals. IIRC

Thanks for Input,
post #6927 of 6947
Thread Starter 
Chris, I have two SiliconDust HDHR-US (older model, not the newer HDHR3) units which I use for a DX auto scan setup. I used one of the units on my laptop so I could actually view and listen to WHMB. I am only 5.5 miles from their tower so my signal is strong. In fact, per another DXer's professional signal strength meter at my location a few months ago, WHMB's signal shows up as one of the strongest of all Indy DTV stations. I've been comparing reception of WHMB via the HDHR-US and a Zenith DTT900 units over the past 30 minutes or so. I'm hearing some occasional audio dropouts from the HDHR-US but not from the DTT900 which I believe is all due to multipath issues. This is where some OTA tuners are quite good while others are rather poor. Antenna orientation can be extremely critical when dealing with multipath.

If you take a look at the HDHR "Status" information, I believe you'll notice some fluctuation with the "Signal Quality" meter, as I am. For WHMB, the meters are indicating Signal Strength 100%, Signal Quality jumping around between around 67-75% and Symbol Quality 100%. I just compared this to WTIU 14/30, Bloomington @ 59 miles, which is indicating Signal Strength 87%, Signal Quality 89% (solid reading, not fluctuating) and Symbol Quality 100%. I have more multipath issues at my close proximity to the main antenna farm during the winter months (no leaves on the trees) than I do during the summer months (lots of trees/leaves in my neighborhood). I BELIEVE the leaves are attenuating the signals to some extent which then reduces the multipath signals.

BTW, the WHMB studios are located just outside Noblesville by a 500 ft. tower, which was the first transmitter tower for the station when it first signed on as WURD in 1971. Later on the tower site was moved to the Indy antenna farm near 79th and Michigan Road. If you go to this site http://www.fccinfo.com/MapIt5.php?lat_deg=39&lat_min=53&lat_sec=40&lat_dir=N&lon_deg=86&lon_min=12&lon_sec=21&lon_dir=W&datum=27&calls=WHMB-TV&bubble=WHMB-TV%3Cbr+%2F%3EIndianapolis%2C+IN&city=Indianapolis&Button=Map+It and click "Map It", click the "Satellite" view and then zoom in you'll be able to see the candelabra tower which holds the DTV antenna for WHMB. The red and white tower just left of the candelabra tower is the older WHMB analog tower.

As for your comments about WISH, I am unable to determine any issues at my close proximity to their tower. I did recently notice that while watching WLFI 11/18, Lafayette @ 40 miles, that even with a fairly strong signal whenever I turned certain electronic units on or off the signal from WLFI would dip and cause a very brief audio/video dropout, just like lightning will do to VHF-hi channels at that distance. I have never noticed this kind of interference with UHF channels, unless the interfering signal was very strong or intense.
post #6928 of 6947
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

Chris, I have two SiliconDust HDHR-US (older model, not the newer HDHR3) units which I use for a DX auto scan setup. I used one of the units on my laptop so I could actually view and listen to WHMB. I am only 5.5 miles from their tower so my signal is strong. In fact, per another DXer's professional signal strength meter at my location a few months ago, WHMB's signal shows up as one of the strongest of all Indy DTV stations. I've been comparing reception of WHMB via the HDHR-US and a Zenith DTT900 units over the past 30 minutes or so. I'm hearing some occasional audio dropouts from the HDHR-US but not from the DTT900 which I believe is all due to multipath issues. This is where some OTA tuners are quite good while others are rather poor. Antenna orientation can be extremely critical when dealing with multipath.

If you take a look at the HDHR "Status" information, I believe you'll notice some fluctuation with the "Signal Quality" meter, as I am. For WHMB, the meters are indicating Signal Strength 100%, Signal Quality jumping around between around 67-75% and Symbol Quality 100%. I just compared this to WTIU 14/30, Bloomington @ 59 miles, which is indicating Signal Strength 87%, Signal Quality 89% (solid reading, not fluctuating) and Symbol Quality 100%. I have more multipath issues at my close proximity to the main antenna farm during the winter months (no leaves on the trees) than I do during the summer months (lots of trees/leaves in my neighborhood). I BELIEVE the leaves are attenuating the signals to some extent which then reduces the multipath signals.

BTW, the WHMB studios are located just outside Noblesville by a 500 ft. tower, which was the first transmitter tower for the station when it first signed on as WURD in 1971. Later on the tower site was moved to the Indy antenna farm near 79th and Michigan Road. If you go to this site http://www.fccinfo.com/MapIt5.php?lat_deg=39&lat_min=53&lat_sec=40&lat_dir=N&lon_deg=86&lon_min=12&lon_sec=21&lon_dir=W&datum=27&calls=WHMB-TV&bubble=WHMB-TV%3Cbr+%2F%3EIndianapolis%2C+IN&city=Indianapolis&Button=Map+It and click "Map It", click the "Satellite" view and then zoom in you'll be able to see the candelabra tower which holds the DTV antenna for WHMB. The red and white tower just left of the candelabra tower is the older WHMB analog tower.

As for your comments about WISH, I am unable to determine any issues at my close proximity to their tower. I did recently notice that while watching WLFI 11/18, Lafayette @ 40 miles, that even with a fairly strong signal whenever I turned certain electronic units on or off the signal from WLFI would dip and cause a very brief audio/video dropout, just like lightning will do to VHF-hi channels at that distance. I have never noticed this kind of interference with UHF channels, unless the interfering signal was very strong or intense.

I have three (white case model) SiliconDust HDHR-US's. I've had issues in the past with drop-outs while surfing the net when the HDHR's are recording, but this problem with WHMB also happens on a new machine just assembled. I recall WHMB added a sub a month or two back; never had any content that I'm aware of..... Just a static screen with an announcement of a new sports channel coming soon (as someone else posted) I have a TiVo that still detects a carrier with 4 subs on WHMB, subs D3 and D4 plus the two that always were. Since I'm now having this issue on 2 machines, I'm starting to wonder if they've done something that confused the HDHR boxes. I've also got the wacky Signal quality (63-72%) - Symbol quality is 100% - Signal strength is 91-97% Watching my network switch, it just stops streaming for a quick second and then picks back up, Thats when I get the packet loss. I've moved my antenna rotor, but that doesn't seem to help.

From what you said about also getting audio drops, perhaps an email to their Chief Engineer might be in order....I'll give that a try. I hope they don't take offense at me recording their signal.
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Edited by ccrider2 - 11/29/13 at 10:16am
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WISH-TV's radar channel 8-3, on both RF 9 and RF 17, is coming up blank, and has been since sometime mid to late afternoon Sunday.
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Originally Posted by goldrich View Post

WISH-TV's radar channel 8-3, on both RF 9 and RF 17, is coming up blank, and has been since sometime mid to late afternoon Sunday.

Same here. Not a real good time for this particular sub-channel to take a time-out. I look at it quite a bit.
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