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post #1921 of 1996
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Originally Posted by David-the-dtv-ma View Post

If WBTW does move to UHF then I hope some one could buy or lease the old ch 8 tower in Florence on TV road behind the WBTW’s original studios. They could repair that antenna system & run 13 at 160k because it is only 840’ & have a good range for a lot cheaper electric cost that UHF at 1mg ERP. It would be a great place for ION [used to be PAX network] network. The 840 tower has a ch 13 antenna on the top but some thing is wrong with it.

now that i think about every time i drive through Florence i never thought there was an old channel 8 tower, unless its that 800ft tower thats near interstate 95..if so then i was wrong thinking it was WJPM channel 33 all along; anyways here an idea, if i was WMBF 32 i would utilize that tower and have OTA coverage for the western half of the "proposed" viewing area, mainly for Florence.
post #1922 of 1996
I never have gotten WWAY or WECT. I used to get WUNJ-29 (Wilmington) 3 or 4 times per month, but never now, due to a new la raza station on ch 29 here in North Charleston, a couple of miles to my north. I get WPDE-16 less than once per month. The Savannah stations, whose towers are 91 to 93.5 miles away come in most nights. At its strongest, WSAV-39 (1Mwatt) is up to 31 dB SNR, WGSA-35 (1Mw) is 1 to 2 dB weaker, and WJCL-22 (350kw) is maximum 27 dB SNR. WTOC-11 (24.4kw) is viewable as often as the Savannah UHFs are, and tends to be maximum 27dB SNR. Reception of Fox Savannah is rare.
post #1923 of 1996
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Originally Posted by D. Shadow View Post

now that i think about every time i drive through Florence i never thought there was an old channel 8 tower, unless its that 800ft tower thats near interstate 95..if so then i was wrong thinking it was WJPM channel 33 all along; anyways here an idea, if i was WMBF 32 i would utilize that tower and have OTA coverage for the western half of the "proposed" viewing area, mainly for Florence.

That is WBTW’s old tower on TV road north of I95 on TV road. WJPM is about as high but more west of I95 & south of TV road.

I agree, I would have thought WMBF would have used a tower more inland. Since the ETV in Charleston uses a side mount on WCSC’s tower & the same company that owns WCSC owns WMBF; I would think they could work a deal to trade the space that WITV ch 7 is using for Charleston to get space on the side of the Conway WHMC tower.

If WFBX would even think about leasing space side mount on their tower would cover Florence better.

But they did not ask me, ha ha.

Like the FCC thinks thou, you would think they would be trying to make better use of the AM radio channel & more efficient. The current AM radio waste most of the power in the carrier & they have 2 sidebands with same information. You would think they would remove a side band & replace with a digital signal. But they did not ask me as well.
post #1924 of 1996
WMBF can't move in-land since they're co-channel with WRLK in Columbia.

- Trip
post #1925 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

WMBF can't move in-land since they're co-channel with WRLK in Columbia.

- Trip

They are almost right on top of each other... WMBF can't do anything unless they change channels.
post #1926 of 1996
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Originally Posted by jspENC View Post

They are almost right on top of each other... WMBF can't do anything unless they change channels.

That may be why WMBF does not cover Florence well.

Now that the analog is gone there should be some channels they left. Like 19, 23, 25, 26, 27, 33, 35 & 43 I the list keeps going.

They might could buy from the SC ETV an old antennas they use to need for channels they did use for analog TV.
post #1927 of 1996
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Originally Posted by David-the-dtv-ma View Post

That may be why WMBF does not cover Florence well.

Now that the analog is gone there should be some channels they left. Like 19, 23, 25, 26, 27, 33, 35 & 43 I the list keeps going.

They might could buy from the SC ETV an old antennas they use to need for channels they did use for analog TV.

true, i mean im sure some of the stations kept the equipment for those old channel allocations, just beam via STL to the towers and light up lets say "hypothetically" channel 25 since WOLO-TV no longer uses it...on paper it looks like a simple fix for WMBF to do so
post #1928 of 1996
If WBTW moves from ch. 13 to ch. 41, and if it turned out that none of the UHF channels David mentioned is suitable, it would seem to be an improvement for WMBF if they moved to ch. 13 and transmitted from the top of WBTW's tower. Especially if the WLOS pattern change allowed them to get permission for at least some power increase, maybe to 40kw. Their signal along the Grand Strand would be somewhat weaker than now on ch. 32, but would it not still get the job done? They would substantially more than double their coverage area, including blanketing Florence County with a powerful signal. Also, instead of using WBTW's non-directional pattern, if WBMF went to ch. 13 on WBTW's tower, it would seem they could really crank up the power if they switched to an extremely directional pattern aimed heavily toward the Grand Strand. Aim a 100kw signal from southern Dillon County south/southeastward, (and thus avoid interfering with ch. 13 in Jacksonville, Florida), with a secondary lobe west/southwestward toward Florence.

I perceive, though, that Raycom is satisfied to continue with WMBF putting a strong signal onto the Grand Strand and cover little else. If a ch. 41 option is available to WBTW, then it has been available to WMBF too - in addition to other UHF frequencies - but Raycom has apparently done nothing to leave ch. 32.
post #1929 of 1996
According to the FCC's website, there is absolutely nothing on channel 37 in North Carolina or South Carolina. No regular stations, no low-powered stations, no translators - nothing. I would say WMBF's problem of being hemmed in on channel 32 by WITN to the northeast and WRLK to the west is solved. They can build a 2,000-ft tower in Horry County or far northern Georgetown County and transmit a 1 million-watt non-directional signal on channel 37.
post #1930 of 1996
There's nothing anywhere on the continent on channel 37 because it's reserved for radio astronomy.

- Trip
post #1931 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

There's nothing anywhere on the continent on channel 37 because it's reserved for radio astronomy.

- Trip


You'd think the RF experts here would know that!
post #1932 of 1996
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Originally Posted by rls976 View Post

If WBTW moves from ch. 13 to ch. 41, and if it turned out that none of the UHF channels David mentioned is suitable, it would seem to be an improvement for WMBF if they moved to ch. 13 and transmitted from the top of WBTW's tower. Especially if the WLOS pattern change allowed them to get permission for at least some power increase, maybe to 40kw. Their signal along the Grand Strand would be somewhat weaker than now on ch. 32, but would it not still get the job done? They would substantially more than double their coverage area, including blanketing Florence County with a powerful signal. Also, instead of using WBTW's non-directional pattern, if WBMF went to ch. 13 on WBTW's tower, it would seem they could really crank up the power if they switched to an extremely directional pattern aimed heavily toward the Grand Strand. Aim a 100kw signal from southern Dillon County south/southeastward, (and thus avoid interfering with ch. 13 in Jacksonville, Florida), with a secondary lobe west/southwestward toward Florence.

I perceive, though, that Raycom is satisfied to continue with WMBF putting a strong signal onto the Grand Strand and cover little else. If a ch. 41 option is available to WBTW, then it has been available to WMBF too - in addition to other UHF frequencies - but Raycom has apparently done nothing to leave ch. 32.

From what I see on the FCC site, the SCETV ch 7 WITV is on the top & higher than WCSC. If the SCETV had still left the ch 23 at the top on the Conway then do an even trade. Let the SCETV use Raycom tower space for WITV & let Raycom use the ch 23 antenna.

I really have to commend the folks at WFXB of where to put a tower. There is not any of WFXB’s city grade signal wasted into the ocean or wasted into other market like Wilmington, Charleston & Columbia. But it still covers the grand strand with a very strong signal as well as Florence.; Also their signal goes into an area that none of the markets’ FOX signal reaches like Bennettesville & Dillon SC & Pembroke & Redsprings NC area.

I have heard though some folks in the area used to get WECT analog at the expense of down town Wilmington’s city grade signal. Thus WECT put the digital transmitter on a tower soul of Wilmington & those folks lost that strong signal. Raycom intended for WMBF to fill that void on the SC area. Also for the NC area from WECT. Those in NC can get WECT with a very strong yagi antenna & a good low noise preamp. But those in SC WMBF is a now show & have really with the extra equip can get WECT.

So to the folks making the decision at WFXB, GREAT WISDOM & GREAT DECISION!
post #1933 of 1996
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Originally Posted by David-the-dtv-ma View Post


I really have to commend the folks at WFXB of where to put a tower. There is not any of WFXB’s city grade signal wasted into the ocean or wasted into other market like Wilmington, Charleston & Columbia. But it still covers the grand strand with a very strong signal as well as Florence.; ...So to the folks making the decision at WFXB, GREAT WISDOM & GREAT DECISION!

Well, Thanks David..but those of us currently here had nothing to do with where the tower was placed. However, my boss & predecessor..(now retired) is an RF whiz who knows how to properly engineer a RF system to get top performance like WFXB has. It was his plan that was used to rebuild WFXB-DT that worked.
post #1934 of 1996
A lot of these towers were put up before all these current so called 'markets' were drawn up weren't they? Didn't stations like WBTW once serve Fayetteville? Before WRAL or WTVD got a signal in there?
post #1935 of 1996
bdfox please tell me that when you put Me-tv up, you won't take down the weather channel. Because I use that channel alot especially when bad weather is around. If you aren't going to take it down, how are you able to do two sub channels? I thought the splicer only allows for one sub.
post #1936 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Leedogg View Post

bdfox please tell me that when you put Me-tv up, you won't take down the weather channel. Because I use that channel alot especially when bad weather is around. If you aren't going to take it down, how are you able to do two sub channels? I thought the splicer only allows for one sub.


WOLO in Columbia has METV on 25.4 & left the toher channels as they aready were. I assume on WFXB METV will be over 43.4
post #1937 of 1996
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Originally Posted by jspENC View Post

A lot of these towers were put up before all these current so called 'markets' were drawn up weren't they? Didn't stations like WBTW once serve Fayetteville? Before WRAL or WTVD got a signal in there?

WRAL and WTVD were the local stations in Fayetteville long before WBTW ever thought about going there, but that's not to say WBTW didn't also want to serve the Fayetteville metro, but things don't always turn out the way you hope...
post #1938 of 1996
Weather on WFXB-DT will remain on 43.3..and MeTv will be 43.4..That is whenever I get time to go install it..hopefully up by the end of June..Plus all of the encoding and mux equipment gets replaced with newer high-efficiency units. So there is quite a bit of work to do.
post #1939 of 1996
bd any chance of TWC getting Metv at launch? Or will it be a few months later like what happened with the weather subchannel.
post #1940 of 1996
Hi - I'm a confirmed non-techie in Pawleys Island and was hoping I could find a little help on here understanding my ability/inability to pick up ETV broadcasts.

I've got basic Time Warner cable, no convertor boxes, and two HDTV's - a nice Sony and a cheapo Sanyo. Both have internal QAM tuners, so I run "Auto-Program" scans occasionally on both TV's to locate "in-the-clear" digital and HD channels, including ETV.

Until several weeks ago, I was able to get HD broadcasts of three SC PBS channels on both TV's - (1) ETV, (2) SC Channel, and (3) ETV-World. At some point, SC Channel and ETV-World disappeared from the Sony, but is still available on my Sanyo. I assumed there was a minor tweak in the digital channel used for broadcasting these two stations, so I ran the auto-program scan on the Sony TV. Still couldn't get them so I waited a few days and re-ran the auto-program scan. Same results, and I'm bummed. I double-checked to make sure no channels were blocked.

My question - with both of these TV's receiving signals via my T-W cable, why would some digital channels be available via QAM to one TV but not to the other? All comments are appreciated. Thanks.
post #1941 of 1996
Signal is too weak at the Sony. Try making sure the antenna is tight and scan again. If that doesn't do it, use a distribution amp.
post #1942 of 1996
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Originally Posted by jspENC View Post

Signal is too weak at the Sony. Try making sure the antenna is tight and scan again. If that doesn't do it, use a distribution amp.

THANK YOU!! I'm afraid I'm stuck in the analog age, never occurred to me that a weak signal would miss the channel altogether, instead of just poor video. Tried some cable swapping, but turns out the culprit was a splitter used to feed the incoming signal to a rarely used VCR. When I took that out of the loop and connected the Sony directly to the cable jack, the channels reappeared. Loss of these channels was a recent event, so I suspect the strength of my incoming signal has degraded, but regardless, I'm good to go for now.

One more question - I'm not familiar with a distribution amp, but if I replace the splitter with a distribution amp, do you think that will allow me to reconnect the VCR without affecting the signal to the TV?

Thanks again for your help.
post #1943 of 1996
BD its 5:42 pm on Sunday, and the race is not in HD. The race is letterbox, what's going on?

Edit: By the way, I'm on TWC.

Edit 2: At 6:09 pm they fixed it...
post #1944 of 1996
well according to WFXB (Not the News) facebook page....theres something on 43-4. It's got to be Metv, but I have TWC and can't confirm it. Anybody else confirm it?
post #1945 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Leedogg View Post

well according to WFXB (Not the News) facebook page....theres something on 43-4. It's got to be Metv, but I have TWC and can't confirm it. Anybody else confirm it?

I guess if you had an antenna you could answer your own question..
post #1946 of 1996
hey by the way BD, why you switch the weather subchannel from 16x9 to 4x3?
post #1947 of 1996
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Originally Posted by Leedogg View Post

well according to WFXB (Not the News) facebook page....theres something on 43-4. It's got to be Metv, but I have TWC and can't confirm it. Anybody else confirm it?

MeTV is on 43.4, and even with 4 channels Regis and Kelly look & sound better on WFXB than it does on WNCT with only 2 channels.

The weather on 43.3 is still 16X9 on my TV.
post #1948 of 1996
It's fixed now on TWC back to 16x9....
post #1949 of 1996
Thought 43-4 metv wouldnt be up till around end of june. BTW 43-4 looks squeezed horizontally for me on Samsung un40xc7000.
post #1950 of 1996
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

I guess if you had an antenna you could answer your own question..

You folks at WFXB are doing a great job. I just love METV.
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