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post #2131 of 4529
Sorry about the screwed up halftime and third quarter of the Notre Dame/UCLA football game this afternoon. We lost the NBC HD feed due to an equipment failure here in Pittsburgh. I was able to get in to the station and swap equipment so that we were able to get the HD feed back on the air by the beginning of the 4th quarter.

Dave Morrison
WPXI Engineering.
post #2132 of 4529
Haven't made it through an episode of 'Friday Night Lights' without losing the HD signal for a significant time at some point.

Same for SNL last night, plus had absolutely no picture, just sound, for a good 20 minutes or more. Last half of the show was in SD.

I'm on Comcast, anyone else get the same problems off of their antenna feed?
post #2133 of 4529
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Originally Posted by ezerhoden View Post

I went and bought the Silver Sensor but it could not pull in channel 4. It did get all the others i currently get. Oh well, I am just glad I have this old antenna, I guess that just dont make things like they used to.

One more question, what is the difference between a uhf and vhf antenna. I thought these two post atenna's where vhf antenna's? If so, I am really confused about why it is working so well.

The difference between the two is essentially size. UHF antennas don't have to be terribly large to pull in a good signal. Try the silver sensor with Fox-53 analog. You should be able to pull in a VERY good signal, since that's a UHF station. Try doing the same with KDKA and the signal will probably be crap at best since that's a low VHF station. Generally speaking to get lower frequencies, you need to use a larger antenna.
post #2134 of 4529
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Originally Posted by sthayashi View Post

The difference between the two is essentially size. UHF antennas don't have to be terribly large to pull in a good signal. Try the silver sensor with Fox-53 analog. You should be able to pull in a VERY good signal, since that's a UHF station. Try doing the same with KDKA and the signal will probably be crap at best since that's a low VHF station. Generally speaking to get lower frequencies, you need to use a larger antenna.

ok, this is where I must be confused. I originally assumed abc, cbs are vhf channels since they are on 2.1 and 4.1. But antenna web shows these as UHF. Does the channel they appear on have nothing to do with uhf or vhf?
post #2135 of 4529
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Originally Posted by ezerhoden View Post

ok, this is where I must be confused. I originally assumed abc, cbs are vhf channels since they are on 2.1 and 4.1. But antenna web shows these as UHF. Does the channel they appear on have nothing to do with uhf or vhf?

Just about all the HDTV channels in the US are on the UHF frequency - 2.1, KDKA-DT, 4.1, WTAE-DT have UHF frequency assignments of 25 and 51.
post #2136 of 4529
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

Just about all the HDTV channels in the US are on the UHF frequency - 2.1, KDKA-DT, 4.1, WTAE-DT have UHF frequency assignments of 25 and 51.

Welcome to "channel mapping", ezerhoden. WPXI-DT, for instance, is on UHF Channel 48. That being said, the powers that be figure that you're used to hearing "Channel 11", not "Channel 48". With that in mind, we send metadata to your HD receiver which translates the "unfamiliar" channel 48 to the more familiar Channel 11.

Since WPXI offers two digital channels, you can either choose to watch 11.1 (which is either true HD or an upconverted analog signal depending on the day part), or you can choose to watch Weather Plus on 11.2, which is a standard definition digital channel.

Clear as mud now? Hope not! We're here to help!

Regards,

Dave Morrison
WPXI Engineering
post #2137 of 4529
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Originally Posted by antule14 View Post

Same for SNL last night, plus had absolutely no picture, just sound, for a good 20 minutes or more. Last half of the show was in SD.

Well, er, uh...I don't know what to tell you. I hate when that happens! Sorry about the video. I'll look into it.

Dave Morrison
WPXI Engineering
post #2138 of 4529
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Originally Posted by dmorrison View Post

You're right, the local programs are not yet being broadcast in HD. We are working through a closed captioning issue right now, and I suspect that as soon as we get that resolved, we'll be broadcasting Wheel and Jeopardy in HD. Sorry, I don't have a date for you on that yet.

Dave Morrison
WPXI Engineering

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the info. It's very useful to have a station rep active on this forum!
post #2139 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Dave McWilliams View Post

There are some new developments here in the 'Burgh, and I thought it might be nice to have one spot to gather everything together.

The Good:
WYTV, the ABC affiliate in Youngstown, is on the air. For everyone on the North side of town who can't get WTAE (and that includes just about everyone), this is awesome news. They're not yet on 24/7, but they've been lighting up the transmitter when ABC has HDTV programming. I've been able to pull it in using my less that perfect attic antenna setup, so a good percentage of us should now get ABC in HDTV and DD 5.1. Can you say Super Bowl?

Also, WQED is playing with their setup. As noted in another thread, they've been multicasting on 13.3, 13.4, 13.5. and 13.6 during the day. The plan is to use the full datastream for PBS HD programming. The demo loop appears to be history already.

KDKA and WPXI continue to put out quality, high-power signals. KDKA should be DD 5.1 sometime next year.

The Bad:
WPGH-DT is up and running of course, but at 480i. No HDTV here anytime soon.

The Ugly:
WTAE is at flea power, and will stay that way for years. Now that I can get WYTV, I really don't care.

WCWB (WB22) is also at flea power. Another Sinclair-owned station pushing the digital transition.

WNPA (UPN19) is currently awaiting FCC approval on a proposal to change the original DTV channel allocation and move the transmitter closer to the city. The application has been at the FCC for a year and a half, but they haven't yet heard anything. Once a construction permit is granted, it will take several months worth of work to get up and running, but Viacom has budgeted the money to make it happen.

Since joining the AVS Forum, I've found these market-specific threads of particular interest. Although I'm from Johnstown and find the Johnstown-Altoona-State College thread of primary interest, this Pittsburgh thread is also of practical use.
Since Dave McWilliams began this thread four years ago much has changed, but the first post on the thread has not. Dave no longer lives in the Pittsburgh area, and so I was wondering if any of the regular contributers to this thread might be interested in updating the first post. Just my 2¢ on this Monday morning.
post #2140 of 4529
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Originally Posted by PA_MainyYak View Post

Since joining the AVS Forum, I've found these market-specific threads of particular interest. Although I'm from Johnstown and find the Johnstown-Altoona-State College thread of primary interest, this Pittsburgh thread is also of practical use.
Since Dave McWilliams began this thread four years ago much has changed, but the first post on the thread has not. Dave no longer lives in the Pittsburgh area, and so I was wondering if any of the regular contributers to this thread might be interested in updating the first post. Just my 2¢ on this Monday morning.

As far as WYTV, I believe they're up and running at full power 24 hrs. although I cannot receive their signal here in Washington County. All Youngstown stations are up and running but I can only receive WKBN-DT's signal. WFMJ's signal is blocked here by a stupid idiotic low power signal on analog channel 20 by WBGN-TV. WKBN-DT is multicasting with a FOX feed on 27-2. Picture quatlity on 27-1 is good, but 27-2 is mediocre.

WQED-DT is only operating on channel 13-1 as a full time full service HD outlet. I denote no simulcasting here. WQED-DT has awesome PQ.

KDKA-DT and WPXI-DT are operating full time with full power with HD programming. WPXI-DT is multicasting with NBC's Weather Plus (worthless to me, I'd rather see a full time doppler radar) on 11-2. Both are utilizing Dolby 5.1 technology. Both got great picture quality although the audio on 2-1 (KDKA-DT) is too loud.

WPGH-DT is up and running 24/7 with a multicast. 53-1 is HD and 53-2 is SD. 53-1 has great PQ.

WTAE-DT is up and running 24/7 with full power. I have absolutely no problem receiving thier signal here in Washington County (South Strabane Twp.). Thier PQ on HD broadcasts is 720P and is great. Their PQ on all other (upconverted 420) broadcasts leaves a lot to be desired. Very smeary looking. I have been quite disappointed with thier non-HD quality for a long time, but it doesn't look like they're going to do anything to correct it.


WCWB-DT is also up and running full time. As with WPGH-DT, their PQ on HD broadcasts is great. WCWB-DT is multicasting a music channel (I believe "The Tube") on 22-2.


WNPA (analog channel 19) is STILL waiting for FCC approval to go digital. Their allocation on channel 49 is used by a low-power outlet in Indiana County and the owner of that station is single-handedly blocking their firing up digitally. They've also asked the FCC for permission to use channel 30 but thus far to no avail.

Hope this helps.
post #2141 of 4529
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Originally Posted by benji15301 View Post

As far as WYTV, I believe they're up and running at full power 24 hrs. although I cannot receive their signal here in Washington County. All Youngstown stations are up and running but I can only receive WKBN-DT's signal. WFMJ's signal is blocked here by a stupid idiotic low power signal on analog channel 20 by WBGN-TV. WKBN-DT is multicasting with a FOX feed on 27-2. Picture quatlity on 27-1 is good, but 27-2 is mediocre.

WQED-DT is only operating on channel 13-1 as a full time full service HD outlet. I denote no simulcasting here. WQED-DT has awesome PQ.

KDKA-DT and WPXI-DT are operating full time with full power with HD programming. WPXI-DT is multicasting with NBC's Weather Plus (worthless to me, I'd rather see a full time doppler radar) on 11-2. Both are utilizing Dolby 5.1 technology. Both got great picture quality although the audio on 2-1 (KDKA-DT) is too loud.

WPGH-DT is up and running 24/7 with a multicast. 53-1 is HD and 53-2 is SD. 53-1 has great PQ.

WTAE-DT is up and running 24/7 with full power. I have absolutely no problem receiving thier signal here in Washington County (South Strabane Twp.). Thier PQ on HD broadcasts is 720P and is great. Their PQ on all other (upconverted 420) broadcasts leaves a lot to be desired. Very smeary looking. I have been quite disappointed with thier non-HD quality for a long time, but it doesn't look like they're going to do anything to correct it.


WCWB-DT [now WPMY] is also up and running full time. As with WPGH-DT, their PQ on HD broadcasts is great. WPMY-DT is multicasting a music channel (I believe "The Tube") on 22-2.


WNPA [now WPCW] (analog channel 19) is STILL waiting for FCC approval to go digital. Their allocation on channel 49 is used by a low-power outlet in Indiana County and the owner of that station is single-handedly blocking their firing up digitally. They've also asked the FCC for permission to use channel 30 but thus far to no avail.

Hope this helps.

Thanks benji15301, that's an excellent summary. Now if only we had someone on this board with moderator powers to insert this into the first post, life would be golden!

I receive WTAE OTA here in Johnstown. I agree their HD is generally excellent.
post #2142 of 4529
Can someone (the more the better) check WPXI's (NBC) digital channel to see if closed caption is working ok on your tv for any live news and maybe local produced shoows. There may be some caption problems where caption overlaps itself making it unreadable. I am not sure if the problem is located at station or if it is a TV issue. This could also be set-top issue too as it happens on either OTA or DirecTV's HDTV local channel.

thanks,
bob
post #2143 of 4529
just checked wpxi, no problems with the CC.
post #2144 of 4529
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Originally Posted by pghbob View Post

just checked wpxi, no problems with the CC.

Thanks for checking.. what did you use, OTA or DirecTV and what kind of TV brand/model ?

thanks
bob
post #2145 of 4529
Is anybody else having problems with WTAE? I can get 4-1 on Wednesday nights without a problem. But the rest of the week I get nothing but a black screen.
post #2146 of 4529
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by PA_MainyYak View Post

Thanks benji15301, that's an excellent summary. Now if only we had someone on this board with moderator powers to insert this into the first post, life would be golden!


I don't have moderator powers, but I can edit my own post.
post #2147 of 4529
From PBRTV:
"WYTV has added another channel to it's Digital tier. It's their Skymax Doppler Radar that shows current conditions in the Youngstown region as well as other areas as far north as Crawford county. You can find the Skymax Radar at 33.3 on your HD receiver, though I am not sure if it will be added to area cable systems. It's also not clear if there are plans to add a weather service or if it will remain a radar channel".
Man I wish one of the local Pittsburgh stations would do this.
post #2148 of 4529
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Originally Posted by benji15301 View Post

From PBRTV:
"WYTV has added another channel to it's Digital tier. It's their Skymax Doppler Radar that shows current conditions in the Youngstown region as well as other areas as far north as Crawford county. You can find the Skymax Radar at 33.3 on your HD receiver, though I am not sure if it will be added to area cable systems. It's also not clear if there are plans to add a weather service or if it will remain a radar channel".
Man I wish one of the local Pittsburgh stations would do this.

WPXI's 11.2 doesn't cut it for you?
post #2149 of 4529
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Originally Posted by sthayashi View Post

WPXI's 11.2 doesn't cut it for you?

You don't know how many times I just wanted to check out the radar before I walked out the door.

If I wanted to know the info. that 11-2 provides, I would watch the Weather Channel or the local forecast on the news.

Sometimes all people want is something simple. Really. Something simple.

Just turn on the TV, tune to 11-2 and there's the radar! How much simpler can life be?

That's not what you get with Weather Plus. You have to stand around and wait.

If I am going to do that, then I'll fire up the computer and check it there.
post #2150 of 4529
Todays football game not in HD? What is going on here? Fox broadcasts all their games in HD. Atleast next weeks game is on Fox.
post #2151 of 4529
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Originally Posted by ezerhoden View Post

Todays football game not in HD? What is going on here? Fox broadcasts all their games in HD. Atleast next weeks game is on Fox.

Football Night In America not in HD either as I sit watching it. Info on Comcast display says it should be. Hope the game is HD, I'm an Indy transplant living in Pittsburgh.
post #2152 of 4529
It switched to HD for me on KDKA-OTA. It took like 15-20 minutes or so. Dunno about you guys but I had about a 1-2 second sound delay with the game. I don't think we have a KDKA rep on this board, but even if we did, I'm not certain they'd be able to help us, because I think the problem may have been with CBS Sports, not KDKA.

If you didn't get the game in HD by the 2nd quarter, there may have been something wrong w/ your service provider. I got it in at least widescreen (I have a digital tuner, but no HDTV).
post #2153 of 4529
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Originally Posted by sthayashi View Post

It switched to HD for me on KDKA-OTA. It took like 15-20 minutes or so. Dunno about you guys but I had about a 1-2 second sound delay with the game. I don't think we have a KDKA rep on this board, but even if we did, I'm not certain they'd be able to help us, because I think the problem may have been with CBS Sports, not KDKA.

If you didn't get the game in HD by the 2nd quarter, there may have been something wrong w/ your service provider. I got it in at least widescreen (I have a digital tuner, but no HDTV).

I'm confused...you said you have no HD, but it switched to HD for you.
And what do you mean you have a digital tuner, but it's not HD?
post #2154 of 4529
I have a digital tuner that downconverts for me. But on a typical non-HD broadcast, it's 4:3 AR done a little unusually. I have black bars above and below the picture normally, but when it's a non-HD broadcast, I also get black bars on the left and right of the picture. The size is consistent with an SD broadcast. Whenever this happens, I can stretch the picture to fit my TV without any real loss.

However, whenever HD is being broadcast, I receive a 16:9 AR signal. I have the black bars above and below, but no left & right bars. Truthfully, I cannot distinguish between a 1080i and 720p due to it being downconverted to 480i for my non-HDTV, but I can distinguish between any of those signals and 480i. I presume whenever I receive a 16:9 signal, I'm receiving HD. I honestly don't believe any of the stations would broadcast a 16:9 non-HD (DVD-quality) picture. I think the way they're setup, it's HD or SD, nothing in between. FWIW, the audio I was receiving was definitely 5.1, but this is less meaningful since some stations will broadcast an SD video w/ 5.1 audio signal.

If someone tells me I'm wrong and the networks DO occasionally send out non-HD 16:9 signals (either 480p or something anamorphic trickery similar to some widescreen DVDs), I'll shut up and refrain from any quality control comments until I finally get a real HDTV (probably some time next year). But I'm not convinced that the networks do this.

Today's game started out for me w/ a 4:3 AR, but part way through the 1st quarter, it switched to 16:9 and there was a noticeable picture quality enhancement. I just assumed some one turned on the HD switch at that time. I didn't watch any other games aside from the Steelers today, so I can't speak for those games (or networks).

Sorry if I caused anyone any confusion.
post #2155 of 4529
Hi guys, glad to find a place to ask a question about the OTA HDTV here in Pittsburgh. I live in North Oakland off Centre Ave. I can get CBS and FOX here at signal strength of 80-90% and I am 4.2 and 4.8 miles away from the towers. According to antennaweb, I should also be able to receive NBC and ABC, which are 3.2 and 14.1 miles away. I played with the antenna with different angles and locations, but couldn't get them at all. Do you guys know how to get all the channels listed on antennaweb? BTW, I am using an indoor Silver Sensor antenna bought from amazon. Thanks a lot.
post #2156 of 4529
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Originally Posted by bhawbaker View Post

Can someone (the more the better) check WPXI's (NBC) digital channel to see if closed caption is working ok on your tv for any live news and maybe local produced shoows. There may be some caption problems where caption overlaps itself making it unreadable. I am not sure if the problem is located at station or if it is a TV issue. This could also be set-top issue too as it happens on either OTA or DirecTV's HDTV local channel.

thanks,
bob

I've noticed this since I got an LG "LST-3510A" HD receiver a couple of years ago. If I used the LG to display closed captions, on WPXI-HD there sometimes was a problem. Not on scripted shows, where the captions are pre-produced and pop on the screen a sentence at a time (those were fine), but on live shows that were being captioned in real time. When the text reaches the end of a line that line is supposed to slide up so the typing can continue on the next line. On WPXI-HD the line did not slide up and the new text overtyped the old, making it almost unreadable.

However, last night on the Tonight Show it was sliding up! Maybe the problem has been discovered and fixed.
post #2157 of 4529
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Originally Posted by bhawbaker View Post

Thanks for checking.. what did you use, OTA or DirecTV and what kind of TV brand/model ?

thanks
bob

i was watching OTA thru a dish 921 dvr, the dvr provided the CC.
post #2158 of 4529
Hello,

I am new to the forum, but i figured I came to the right place for help. I live about 15 miles north of Pgh. (Cranberry Twp) I am running an HDTV tuner out my PC. I have it hooked up to a silver sensor. I am getting about 50% signal strength from kdka and wpgh. i can get some youngstown but not very well. My question to anyone who is willing to answer. Would it be worth my money to get an Amplified Indoor Ant - like the Terk HDTVa to imrove my reception? Any suggestions on placement, angles, direction, welcome.


Thanks!
post #2159 of 4529
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Originally Posted by smokefly View Post

Hi guys, glad to find a place to ask a question about the OTA HDTV here in Pittsburgh. I live in North Oakland off Centre Ave. I can get CBS and FOX here at signal strength of 80-90% and I am 4.2 and 4.8 miles away from the towers. According to antennaweb, I should also be able to receive NBC and ABC, which are 3.2 and 14.1 miles away. I played with the antenna with different angles and locations, but couldn't get them at all. Do you guys know how to get all the channels listed on antennaweb? BTW, I am using an indoor Silver Sensor antenna bought from amazon. Thanks a lot.

I honestly don't think you'll be able to pick everything up. I'm a little surprised that you can't pick up NBC since that's in the same rough direction as CBS and FOX for you. I'd say the Hills (like the Hill District) and apartment buildings will keep you from receiving everything anyways.

All I can tell you is to point the antenna in the rough direction that the stations are at. However, for you, that may not be as applicable since you may get a stronger signal from multipathing and reflections than you would with directly pointing at it. Start with the compass coordinates though and play from there.
post #2160 of 4529
For those southwest of the city, I have had success getting KDKA, WPGH, and NBC out of Stuebenville with an antenna that I got at Radio Shack for $50. I live in a valley and didn't have high hopes, but I'm glad I tried this in order to get HD locals. I have a silver sensor coming that I am dedicating to trying to pick up WTAE. Just thought I'd post my success in case any other people in my area are browsing the forums trying to decide what to do. People having trouble with WPXI may want to try the Stuebenville NBC.
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