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post #4021 of 4529
It seems unlikely that they'd switch over during popular viewing hours, especially prime time. My guess would be midnight unless they're not strictly obligated to the date listed in the FCC filing.
post #4022 of 4529
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Originally Posted by re_nelson View Post

Dave Kasperek (and anyone else who may know):

Your contributions to this forum are much appreciated Dave and I understand that responding to every query impinges on your time. But here goes anyway... :-)

Like so many now living in other parts of the country, I'm originally from Pittsburgh and old enough to remember both WIIC and WTAE (``Take T and C'') signing on. In the pre-cable era, with the terrain, getting solid reception on the Big Four (2, 4, 11 and 13) of that time was a challenge in Baldwin. Complicating things was that the direction of each transmitter site was different (less so with KDKA-TV and WIIC).

Here in Dallas, as is the case in many other markets, a common site emerged over time, making over-air-reception a lot easier. Here, it started with the ABC and CBS affiliates cooperating with the Hill Tower project, which evolved to the large farm at Cedar Hill, home of all of the TV sticks. Across the state, Philly has the Roxborough antenna farm.

What were the factors that prevented a joint project in the Pittsburgh area? I suppose that WTAE's spacing to Columbus would have added to the complexity of site location.

Of course, that ship has long sailed and in today's economy, it would be unthinkable. Even with the high cable/satellite penetration in the DMA, had there been an antenna farm, some of the problems associated with the DTV transition might have been eased.

I obviously can't answer for the other stations but WTAE did twice consider relocating to a more central location for digital operations. Both times the economics of renting space from someone else versus operating from a tower already fully paid for did not make sense. In a market where at least 92% of the viewers use cable or satellite, you cannot justify multi-million dollar investments that will never pay off.
post #4023 of 4529
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89 View Post

Dave,

I'm scratching my head. Don't you mean 1 MW (1,000 kW) ERP on UHF-51?

Oops my mistake. Meant to type 1,000 KW ERP
post #4024 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Sammer View Post

Some people seem to think that elliptical polarization can improve reception in some areas without having such a sobering effect on the electric bill. If I may ask what are your thoughts on that as far as any practical application for WTAE assuming the FCC would approve such a power increase?

Sorry but I don't have a lot of thoughts on that subject. I can say there is discussion of alternative polarization methods now I'm aware of, but the issue is whether mobile reception could be improved. Mobile ATSC is under development and may become an additional revenue model for many broadcasters.
post #4025 of 4529
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Originally Posted by mkasick View Post

Is there a rough timeline/schedule for getting the WTAE Oakland translator up and running?

Should be up and running by mid-September.

We had hoped to have it going now, but manufacturing of Ch 13 antenna for WQED is a several weeks behind schedule, and because we're using the same antenna vendor and tower crew, both jobs are delayed.
post #4026 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Dave Kasperek View Post

....We had hoped to have it going now, but manufacturing of Ch 13 antenna for WQED is a several weeks behind schedule, and because we're using the same antenna vendor and tower crew, both jobs are delayed.

Well then that explains why I haven't seen any announcements on QED this evening about the switchover and/or the need to re-scan to pick up the station on it's new VHF channel.

So it looks like QED won't be moving to the VHF band until sometime next month at the earliest.
post #4027 of 4529
Flipping around today, my TV scanned in 40-2 again. It is displaying color bars with the following message:

"Coming Soon To This Channel WPCB-TV40.2 The Bible Discovery Channel"

The PSIP IDs it as "BDC." We'll see if Cornerstone actually begins broadcasting this time.
post #4028 of 4529
I heard a message on WQED the other day that mid-October (dont remember the exact date) is when they're shooting for their transition back to VHF 13. I certainly hope their signal is better then than it currently is.

Normally my reception of WQED's digital signal has been great but as of about two weeks ago I'm getting some signal fluctuation and frequent dropouts, and my antenna is in the same position it's always been in. Have they cut their power back until they make the transition back to VHF? Or have they stopped maintaining their current antenna?
post #4029 of 4529
I caught WQED's FCC-DTV transition message this morning. It's the same one that has been running for months but they changed the date in the voice over from "...on or before August 18th" to "... on or before October 18th."

So I guess it all depends now on the construction crew working on their new tower will be able to finish it to make that date; or earlier with out any further delays.
post #4030 of 4529
Did you guys catch the Steelers game? Did they render those graphics in SD and stick them in the HD feed? At times I couldn't read the 1 in the 1st & 10 and it looked like there were 0 yards to go.
post #4031 of 4529
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Originally Posted by ChuckZ View Post

Did you guys catch the Steelers game? Did they render those graphics in SD and stick them in the HD feed? At times I couldn't read the 1 in the 1st & 10 and it looked like there were 0 yards to go.

I wouldn't doubt it Chuck.

Did you ever watch their "HD" newscast.

What a pitiful way to say your newscast is now in high definition.

They don't even do the weather maps and graphics in HD!!!

Everything is done in SD except for the anchors.

I think they only have 1 HD camera.

KD is soooo far behind the other stations, they ought to be ashamed of themselves.
post #4032 of 4529
If there is one thing that can really benefit from HD and does not require expensive setups in terms of cameras, etc. that is the weather forecast.
post #4033 of 4529
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Originally Posted by benji15301 View Post

I wouldn't doubt it Chuck.

Did you ever watch their "HD" newscast.

What a pitiful way to say your newscast is now in high definition.

They don't even do the weather maps and graphics in HD!!!

Everything is done in SD except for the anchors.

I think they only have 1 HD camera.

KD is soooo far behind the other stations, they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

I'm curious...how many years have you worked in television?
post #4034 of 4529
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Originally Posted by ChuckZ View Post

If there is one thing that can really benefit from HD and does not require expensive setups in terms of cameras, etc. that is the weather forecast.

How do you think those weather graphics are generated?
post #4035 of 4529
he's gotta be joking...no one needs the weather in HD...or the news for that matter.
post #4036 of 4529
Well really, nobody _needs_ any show in HD.

While I won't endorse his less than congenial tone, I agree that weather benefits from HD. News does as well. Detailed maps and HD on-location footage really do impart much more information.

For instance, during the severe storm a couple months ago, it was possible to see exactly where the storms and lightening were moving through. During some of the coverage, I could see my exact street on the map along with an approaching storm from littered with individually notated lightening strikes.

Or, when reporting on suspect arrests, it is possible to see the interaction of the officers, suspects, and bystanders. Facial expressions become discernible in all footage, not just head shots of the anchors.
post #4037 of 4529
Greetings:

Is anyone aware of changes to the encoding/broadcast technology to Channel 4.1's audio portion of their broadcast of late?

I am asking as I'm at wits' end:

after about 2 years of using the same setup for tuning OTA broadcast digital TV at the same location in Oakland, have in the last two weeks or so had difficulty tuning the audio portion of channel 4.1 OTA. Sometimes it tunes, more often that not it won't. If the Panasonic DVD/VCR tuner is set to channel 4.1 when it boots, then it seems to lock on the station, but if I tune other channels then return to 4.1 it consistently delivers an excellent picture, and shows @ 91-94% signal strength rating but no audio.


So it isn't thought that I've not done due diligence here before posting, the troubleshooting on my end includes the following, and the problem is consistent throughout:
the same setup that's worked for about two years of digital OTA reception is in use.
even when I'm having problems with 4.1 audio, 4.2 THIS TV audio is clear, constant and re-tunable, as are digital 2, 11, 13, 19, 22, 40, 53, 59including all subchannels.
I've swapped coax wires to the antenna
tried 3 different antenna setups
left the Panasonic DVD/VCR tuner sit unplugged for a few hours to reset the device, and then reloaded the latest firmware trying to clear any ghosts in the machine.

I'm hoping I'm just seeing changes to the broadcast, and that these may be cleared up by the translator coming to Oakland soon...as my budget for hardware repair/replacement is lacking.

thanks
post #4038 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Mark Vidonic View Post

I'm curious...how many years have you worked in television?

I take this as a condescending question as I cannot take it any other way, but I'll try to answer it as best I can for you, Mr. Vidonic.

Simply put, I don't feel I need to have "worked in television" to have an opinion about it---nor do I feel that my statement was off base considering the investment I have made in equipment to watch it and from what I have seen with my own eyes the past few years in advancement of HD programming.

Analogously, I don't have children. But if I were to make the statement that little children shouldn't be running the streets at midnight would you feel that I am "unqualified" to comment on that too?

It's simply a statement based upon my personal feelings. That's what a "forum" is all about.

I only hope that is good enough for you.
post #4039 of 4529
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Originally Posted by benji15301 View Post

I take this as a condescending question as I cannot take it any other way, but I'll try to answer it as best I can for you, Mr. Vidonic.

Simply put, I don't feel I need to have "worked in television" to have an opinion about it---nor do I feel that my statement was off base considering the investment I have made in equipment to watch it and from what I have seen with my own eyes the past few years in advancement of HD programming.

Analogously, I don't have children. But if I were to make the statement that little children shouldn't be running the streets at midnight would you feel that I am "unqualified" to comment on that too?

It's simply a statement based upon my personal feelings. That's what a "forum" is all about.

I only hope that is good enough for you.



But you throw out your opinions constantly based on facts you know nothing about.

Thanks for answering my question, sort of.
Remember, I own a $12,000 Honda Civic. If I go buy a 100K Porsche, it won't make me a better driver.
post #4040 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Mark Vidonic View Post

But you throw out your opinions constantly based on facts you know nothing about.

Thanks for answering my question, sort of.
Remember, I own a $12,000 Honda Civic. If I go buy a 100K Porsche, it won't make me a better driver.

I love it!!!

I throw out opinions based on "facts" I know nothing about. That's a howl.

What is this forum about if not for "opinions", Mr. Vidonic?

Maybe you can enlighten this forum with the "facts" that I know nothing about, Mr. Vidonic.

I'll go back to my original statement. KDKA television should be ashamed of itself for this pathetic attempt at a high-definition newscast.

Now (in particular) what is it about that statement that bothers you?
post #4041 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Mark Vidonic View Post

But you throw out your opinions constantly based on facts you know nothing about.

Thanks for answering my question, sort of.
Remember, I own a $12,000 Honda Civic. If I go buy a 100K Porsche, it won't make me a better driver.

As for the automobile comparison (which was a poor analogy), buying the 100K Porsche maybe won't make you a better driver, but it CERTAINLY would entitle you to an "opinion" of whether it's a better drive than the 12K Civic---now wouldn't it?
post #4042 of 4529
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Originally Posted by benji15301 View Post

I love it!!!

I throw out opinions based on "facts" I know nothing about. That's a howl.

What is this forum about if not for "opinions", Mr. Vidonic?

Maybe you can enlighten this forum with the "facts" that I know nothing about, Mr. Vidonic.

I'll go back to my original statement. KDKA television should be ashamed of itself for this pathetic attempt at a high-definition newscast.

Now (in particular) what is it about that statement that bothers you?

You said you THINK they have 1 HD camera...do you know this as fact?
Can you tell what other elements of the newscast are HD? You said only the cameras are...can you back that up with fact?
post #4043 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Mark Vidonic View Post

You said you THINK they have 1 HD camera...do you know this as fact?
Can you tell what other elements of the newscast are HD? You said only the cameras are...can you back that up with fact?

These are the same questions that I am asking as a viewer.

I watch the newcasts myself and compare them with other stations that I have seen and wonder EXACTLY what you are asking.

Do they have more than one camera? If so, how are they using them? I haven't seen anything other than the anchor desk being shown in HD. Maybe a wider screen shot of the weather center looks HD but is it just the same camera panned out?

What other aspects of the newscasts are in HD? Maybe as I said before maybe YOU can enlighten us.

Weather graphics are not in HD are they? If they are, they look SD to me.

On-the-scene reports are not in HD are they? If they are, they look SD to me.

Special reports are not in HD are they? If they are, they look SD to me.

Sports reports and replays are not in HD are they? If they are, they look SD to me.

Other than the anchor desk, what is in HD Mr. Vidonic?

You seem to want to defend KDKA television by dismissing my credibility as a viewer to have an opinion of what I'm seeing, so here's your chance to really show this forum that I really don't know anything about HD television and I should just be happy with what I see.

We're waiting, Mr. Vidonic.
post #4044 of 4529
I am seeing the weirdest thing on Analog channel 59. At this moment, somehow, someone somewhere is rebroadcasting the feed from their DTVPal CECB. I can tell because I am seeing what looks like pixelation of a digital station and then it drops out and when it comes back up the DTVPal display that tells you what channel you're on, signal strength, etc coems up. The transmission is either very weak or far away as the picture, is snowy and for that reason I cant read exactly what channel it is trying to pick up.

I'd be interested to know if anyone else is seeing this. but I'm guessing most of you are asleep at this time, and if it's a tropo thing, it will be gone by the morning...or whenvewr whoever turns off their DTVPal.

EDIT: After posting this, I went back and watched Analog 59 for a bit more and found that it was actually broadcasting what we see on 59-1, only over analog. I believe WBGN is a low power station so that would make them continuing to broadcast on analog still legal. But are they really using a DTVPal to pick up their digital feed and then rebroadcasting that via Analog? To me that seems like extra/double work. Why not just broadcast on analog like they were doing before digital was around instead of re-broadcasting their digital feed?
post #4045 of 4529
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Originally Posted by benji15301 View Post

These are the same questions that I am asking as a viewer.

I watch the newcasts myself and compare them with other stations that I have seen and wonder EXACTLY what you are asking.

Do they have more than one camera? If so, how are they using them? I haven't seen anything other than the anchor desk being shown in HD. Maybe a wider screen shot of the weather center looks HD but is it just the same camera panned out?

What other aspects of the newscasts are in HD? Maybe as I said before maybe YOU can enlighten us.

Weather graphics are not in HD are they? If they are, they look SD to me.

On-the-scene reports are not in HD are they? If they are, they look SD to me.

Special reports are not in HD are they? If they are, they look SD to me.

Sports reports and replays are not in HD are they? If they are, they look SD to me.

Other than the anchor desk, what is in HD Mr. Vidonic?

You seem to want to defend KDKA television by dismissing my credibility as a viewer to have an opinion of what I'm seeing, so here's your chance to really show this forum that I really don't know anything about HD television and I should just be happy with what I see.

We're waiting, Mr. Vidonic.

Enlighten you? You're the one that knows everything about television. You knew who should have been fired over FSN's outage for a Pens game - never mind he hadn't worked there in 2 years and you have no knowledge of FSN's signal path anyway.
You're the one that knew Sinclair got rid of HD equipment during bankruptcy - oh, that's right, they've not declared it.
You're the one that kept telling KD they should look to Steubenville stations to see how to do things.
I don't need to tell you any of the above stuff - you already know.
post #4046 of 4529
Wow, Mr. Vidonic. You're obviously half-reading my previous posts. Since you're only half-reading but drawing conclusions about what I said, I will set the record(s) straight. Anyone who doubts this can go back and read the postings themselves.

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Originally Posted by Mark Vidonic View Post

Enlighten you? You're the one that knows everything about television. You knew who should have been fired over FSN's outage for a Pens game - never mind he hadn't worked there in 2 years and you have no knowledge of FSN's signal path anyway.

You must be referring to this post made on the Pittsburgh, PA - Comcast forum on 3-1-09 by "ChuckZ". If you would have bothered to take the time to read on you would have found that my 3-5-09 posting clarified it was NOT me who suggested the firing and I only suggested that the person or persons responsible for the mess up at FSN should be held accountable.

In reference to the signal path issue, if you read the "Ken H" posting dated 3-3-09 on the same forum you'll see I made NO reference to the "signal-path" issue. "Ken H" decided to clarify that on his own in response to the firing of Mr. Goldstein at the FSN studios in Pittsburgh.

Nowhere in that forum did I suggest a firing of Mr. Goldstein nor did I make reference to the signal path for the FSN feed. You need to get the facts straight.

You're the one that knew Sinclair got rid of HD equipment during bankruptcy - oh, that's right, they've not declared it.

You obviously are reading my 7-18-09 post on this forum which was a response to "Raven654" about Sinclair and bankruptcy. That post was only an attempt at humor, which I addressed to you on this forum on 7-21-09. Following that post, "JK77" offered the link from The Baltimore Sun dealing with the Sinclair/bankruptcy issue.

At no time did I ever suggest that "Sinclair got rid of HD equipment during bankruptcy". I have no idea where you got that.

You're the one that kept telling KD they should look to Steubenville stations to see how to do things.

This was a posting made by myself on 5-6-09 on the Pittsburgh, PA - Comcast forum stating:

"Hey KDKA television ----------- Steubenville (WTOV) and Johnstown (WJAC) are producing and airing local HD newscasts.

Just to let you guys know!!!

Some local stations intend to keep up with the times!!!"


I didn't suggest that KDKA needed to look at Steubenville to learn how to "do things".

My point was simply if Steubenville and Johnstown can do it, why can't KDKA TV?

Anybody who read that could see what my point was.

I don't need to tell you any of the above stuff - you already know.

No, I was asking you for an explanation but you don't want to give one.

You obviously don't want to address the issue of KDKA TV and their attempt at an HD newscast but rather keep attacking me by half-reading and interpreting my previous posts.

That's OK, I got big shoulders, but don't put words in my mouth stating things that I didn't say and then criticize me about them.
post #4047 of 4529
Enough of the personal back and forth. Take it off line.
post #4048 of 4529
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Originally Posted by marklar2u View Post

Greetings:

Is anyone aware of changes to the encoding/broadcast technology to Channel 4.1's audio portion of their broadcast of late?

...thanks

OK, whatever was having a negative affect seems to have cleared itself up again...the symptoms continued for several more days, then the audio was intermittent, and the last few days seems to be back to being consistent w/ the good signal quality, and is retunable...amazing how I was convincing myself the equipment on my end must be going...

trust things will only get better once the additional translator is in place...
post #4049 of 4529
I'm not sure this is in the correction place but..

I'm having trouble configuring my W7MC to pick up all the channels through my AverMedia Duet tuner. I had no problems at home (Philadelphia Comcast) picking up all the channels (Air + Cable) I picked up through my Samsung LCDTV. At home I was able to pick up local HD channels as well. Now while I'm at school at Pitt, we have comcast in our apartment, with a digital box in the living room. However when I scan, it only picks up 12 channels, and when I go to manually add more, there's a only a handful more that are unlocked and available to add. Most of them are infomercial, etc channels.
post #4050 of 4529
Tell me if this makes any sense. I live in the Youngstown area and have been receiving WPXI for over a year without any drop outs. KDKA has been my second strongest signal coming out of Pittsburgh, but would drop out occasionally. WPXI has always been stronger. I recently disconnected everything, raised my antenna about 8 feet, reconnected everything, and subsequently lost WPXI. Absolutely no signal at all. KDKA is coming in at %94 strength.

My %94 KDKA signal strength is telling me I have no connection problems.
Did WPXI's tower fall down or catch on fire in the brief time that it took me to make the height adjustment? I'm lost on this one.
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