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post #4201 of 4529
I am getting WQEX a bit better now than when it was on 26.
post #4202 of 4529
Anyone else having problems getting WBGN to assign to 59-1 properly instead of 16-1? While on all my other digital tuners it does ok, on my CM-7000 CECBs it doesnt seem to want to assign WBGN to 59-1. Instead it leaves them at 16-1,2,3,4, and then when WQEX is picked up, it's assigned to 16-1, overwriting WBGN's primary 16-1. I would at least think it would give two 16-1's...but it doesnt.

Since WBGN has no program guide data, is it safe to assume they're not doing their PSIP data correctly and that could be causing my CM-7000's to not reassign it to the virtual 59-1, etc? Or are my CM-7000's the problem...since all my other digital tuners seem to do ok assigning all channels involved to their proper virtual channels?
post #4203 of 4529
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Originally Posted by nwiser View Post

Anyone else having problems getting WBGN to assign to 59-1 properly instead of 16-1? While on all my other digital tuners it does ok, on my CM-7000 CECBs it doesnt seem to want to assign WBGN to 59-1. Instead it leaves them at 16-1,2,3,4, and then when WQEX is picked up, it's assigned to 16-1, overwriting WBGN's primary 16-1. I would at least think it would give two 16-1's...but it doesnt.

My Samsung DLP from 2006 doesn't call it 59-1/-2/-3/-4 either; however, it will list two 16-1s with WBGN's four channels lacking any identification. The Insignia box purchased in 2008 has no problems differentiating between RF 16 and virtual 16.
post #4204 of 4529
A datapoint from Regents Square (15221):

KDKA is coming in nicely on 13 (finally). I was worried that my UHF antenna (CM-4221) would have difficulty with it as a high VHF channel. Turns out, no problem at all.

WTAE's new repeater is providing great signal quality for 4-3 and 4-4 (channel 22). I receive them at almost exactly the same strength and quality as 4-1 and 4-2 (51). Looks like I may be able do away with the dedicated antenna I have pointed directly at WTAE's tower. That would free up some room to point an antenna at Johnstown to get 8-1 and 8-2 instead. (Once I finish building a channel 8 specific VHF antenna) It used to come in perfectly before they switched back to 8 after the analog switch-off.

All in all, the recent changes have worked out great for me in Regents Square. To all those involved, thanks for all the hard work!

The following stations come in perfectly without any glitches at all.
KDKA (CBS)
WTAE (ABC)
This Pgh
WPXI (NBC)
RTN
WQED 1,2,3 (PBS)
WPCW (CW)
MyTV
WPGH (Fox)

Not so perfect:
WBGN (Indie) -- momentary dropouts a few times a minute

This is with an attic mounted CM-4221 pointed NNW and a homemade uhf antenna pointed at WTAE.

Edit: Further testing shows that my oldest ATSC tuner can't pull in 4.3 and 4.4 on 22. It's a Zenith HDV-420 and was a first generation tuner that doesn't do so well on weak signals. My newers tuners lock on and are glitch free. Sounds like a good excuse to buy a new stand-alone tuner for my home theater projector. (If such things still exist)
post #4205 of 4529
is an yone else having trouble getting wbgn in its been off all day dont know if its my setup or if something is wrong at there end
post #4206 of 4529
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Originally Posted by hooviebaby View Post

is an yone else having trouble getting wbgn in its been off all day dont know if its my setup or if something is wrong at there end

You may want to recheck your setup. I know WBGN was working fine for me yesterday morning, and I checked again this morning and it still looks normal.
post #4207 of 4529
Anyone else having trouble pulling in QED since the frequency changeover. I noticed it was gone about a week ago, and haven't been able to get it back since. I've rescanned on multipe TVs as well as through my HTPC. None of them have been able to pull it in. I'm using a Radioshack 15-1880 ant. which has dual UHF/VHF capability and also plugged in a straight set of rabbit ears. Nothing has worked.

Any suggestions? I've been running ATSC OTA for a few years now with no major issues... until now. All of the other channels (2,4,11,16,53) are coming in strong. Thx in advance for the help.
post #4208 of 4529
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Originally Posted by m4mica View Post

Anyone else having trouble pulling in QED since the frequency changeover. I noticed it was gone about a week ago, and haven't been able to get it back since. I've rescanned on multipe TVs as well as through my HTPC. None of them have been able to pull it in. I'm using a Radioshack 15-1880 ant. which has dual UHF/VHF capability and also plugged in a straight set of rabbit ears. Nothing has worked.

Any suggestions? I've been running ATSC OTA for a few years now with no major issues... until now. All of the other channels (2,4,11,16,53) are coming in strong. Thx in advance for the help.

Ah... are you getting channel 19? You're getting all UHF channels but the two VHF Hi channels you're not getting. It may ultimately be your antenna that is at fault.
post #4209 of 4529
m4mica,

QED/QEX has essentially disappeared for me, too, since the switchover. They need a power boost....It was difficult for me to receive the old 13 analog years ago, too. I could pull in 38, but had to have my antenna pointed 'just so.'

My antenna is the Radio Shack 190 model (the largest V/UHF they sold)...it's been up for about 4 years now. Since the leaves have fallen, my overall reception is WORSE. My reception of KDKA is bordering lost. Too many hills and trees to fight with other than get a 40' tower installed. That's not in my budget for a LONG, LONG time.

I'll miss the Neighborhood Channel most.

If I spin my antenna, I can get most of the W Va stations (5, 12, 10)...but I'll miss 13.

You are not alone.
post #4210 of 4529
i found out the source of th eproblem why i wasnt getting wbgn it was the cable is there a particular type of cable that should be used for the digitial channels
post #4211 of 4529
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Originally Posted by wallybarthman View Post

Ah... are you getting channel 19? You're getting all UHF channels but the two VHF Hi channels you're not getting. It may ultimately be your antenna that is at fault.

Yup, 19 comes in fine. signal strength is pretty low, around 67%. I'll try repositioning the VHF antennae and see if it helps. It's a shame, we never watch 16, but it coming in great on the old 38.
post #4212 of 4529
post #4213 of 4529
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Originally Posted by hooviebaby View Post

i found out the source of th eproblem why i wasnt getting wbgn it was the cable is there a particular type of cable that should be used for the digitial channels

I suspect that you had RG59 coaxial cabling rather than RG6 or RG6-QuadShield. They look nearly identical except that RG59 cable is slightly skinnier. RG59 used to be the standard for coax in the home. With the advent of cable and satellite, pretty much everyone switched to using RG6. RG59 is still around and should still be used in some scenarios, just not for broadcast, satellite, FiOS or cable TV.

If you need to buy more of it, the store upzdayzm linked to is good. I've ordered from MonoPrice a few times myself.
post #4214 of 4529
ty for helping me again i bought rg6 now its alot better
post #4215 of 4529
Between the cold this morning, and a huge approaching storm front to the south, did anyone else notice a fairly strong tropo effect this morning?

Even with my antenna pointed in a non-optimal direction, I was able to receive a fairly strong WFMJ/WBCB [UHF 20, 21.1, 21.2] for the better part of this morning; and WTRF [VHF 7, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3] was also coming in plenty strong too until well past 11 AM, when the 50-60% signal I had started varying and making it difficult for my CB to stay locked on it.

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BTW what is it with WTRF? There is no programing information in the EPG on any of their sub-channels, and their broadcast clock is either running very fast, or it is still set to DST. (Plus the audio on 7.2 *still* has this weird echo effect making it sound like everyone is speaking in to a plastic tube. )

Okay, so I know WTRF isn't a large station, but as a (3-way) network affiliate, one would think they would have a station engineer who was cognizant of these kind of things.
post #4216 of 4529
obviously i'm a little late to the party on this but i just rescanned today to find that i now get wtae-dt 4.3 and 4.4... just in time for pitt-cincy. it's a festivus miracle!

getting 100% signal strength with a multidirectional (disc style) roof antenna in lawrenceville (15201), where i previously got NOTHING from 4.1 and 4.2. no guide information for either channel in win7 MCE, so i had to manually map the 4.1 and 4.2 info to 4.3 and 4.4, respectively. rock solid reception. this is really a breath of fresh air. it's great that WTAE is finally taking good care of viewers on this side of the mountain.
post #4217 of 4529
A couple of minor random thoughts...

A check of my tuner's signal strength meter shows 4.1 at 100%, and 4.3 at 50% with my current antenna orientation up here in southern Butler County.

I love watching the weekly reruns of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" Sunday nights on RTV. However, it is quite frustrating when they don't seem to care what episodes they throw up on that channel. To wit, last weekend marked at least the third time in recent memory when they ran the episode with Kent McCord (of Adam-12 fame) guest starring as an ace that was shot down and brainwashed as a POW. It had been shown only a few weeks earlier. Rob Owen addressed a similar query in the P-G, stating that sometimes only certain episodes (and not the entire lot) of a program are released for syndication. And I know that this is RTV's fault, not the local affiliate, as WJAC and WTOV run the same Black Sheep episodes.
post #4218 of 4529
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Originally Posted by pghturbo88 View Post

I love watching the weekly reruns of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" Sunday nights on RTV. However, it is quite frustrating when they don't seem to care what episodes they throw up on that channel. To wit, last weekend marked at least the third time in recent memory when they ran the episode with Kent McCord (of Adam-12 fame) guest starring as an ace that was shot down and brainwashed as a POW. It had been shown only a few weeks earlier. Rob Owen addressed a similar query in the P-G, stating that sometimes only certain episodes (and not the entire lot) of a program are released for syndication. And I know that this is RTV's fault, not the local affiliate, as WJAC and WTOV run the same Black Sheep episodes.

That same problem has been going on with "Battlestar Galactica" (1980's version) also shown on the weekends on RTV/RTN. They have been repeating the same dozen or so episodes from the series for the whole of the past year. Yet last year they (RTV) were showing the series episodes from the very beginning. Then they ran in to financial trouble very late last year and that's when the problem started. For the most of Dec 08 and well in to Jan 09, I can't tell you how often they showed the 2 part episode of Apollo and Starbuck leading a group of prisoners on a suicide mission to take out an energy gun on some ice planet, so the Galactica and the rest of the fleet could fly past with out being blown up. But from my viewpoint it was like every weekend with out a break.

And as far as I can tell, these are not the only weekend shows they have been doing that with as I think they have been doing the same with "Ohara, US Treasury" shown on WTOV's [VHF 9, 9.1, 9.2] RTN sub-channel on Sunday night.

So I'm not sure what the problem is, but it seems to be mostly with certain series programmed for weekend showings where they have been running the same stuff over and over.
post #4219 of 4529
hey everyone was wondering if anyone knows if wtae is building a tower near johnstown to cover that area and if it was approved by the fcc reason i asked is because i emailed channel 8 about losing them they said i live in the pittsburgh market and they cant boost their signal ty for all who reply
post #4220 of 4529
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Originally Posted by hooviebaby View Post

hey everyone was wondering if anyone knows if wtae is building a tower near johnstown to cover that area and if it was approved by the fcc reason i asked is because i emailed channel 8 about losing them they said i live in the pittsburgh market and they cant boost their signal ty for all who reply

No they are not, at this time. WTAE has recently activated a ch 22 translator located on the WQED tower in Oakland. Depending on your location, you might be able to pull in that signal.

KDKA and WPCW have applied for translators to serve Johnstown (The CW's Construction Permit has been approved, KD's is still pending).
post #4221 of 4529
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Originally Posted by PA_MainyYak View Post

No they are not, at this time. WTAE has recently activated a ch 22 translator located on the WQED tower in Oakland. Depending on your location, you might be able to pull in that signal.

KDKA and WPCW have applied for translators to serve Johnstown (The CW's Construction Permit has been approved, KD's is still pending).

oh ok ty for your response your right was just curious i get 4-1 and 4-2 great just rather have 23 be my station dont like 4 to much
post #4222 of 4529
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Originally Posted by m4mica View Post

Anyone else having trouble pulling in QED since the frequency changeover. I noticed it was gone about a week ago, and haven't been able to get it back since. I've rescanned on multipe TVs as well as through my HTPC. None of them have been able to pull it in. I'm using a Radioshack 15-1880 ant. which has dual UHF/VHF capability and also plugged in a straight set of rabbit ears. Nothing has worked.

Any suggestions? I've been running ATSC OTA for a few years now with no major issues... until now. All of the other channels (2,4,11,16,53) are coming in strong. Thx in advance for the help.


I'm having the same problem. QED use to be one of my strongest stations, now I can only get it on one TV. What is odd is I actually get a decent signal strength, yet the picture keeps breaking up. Not sure if this a multi-path problem or not. I'm not sure what posessed some of these stations to make the switch back to VHF. I had the same problem with WWCP. It use to come in perfectly when it was on UHF. Now that they moved back to channel 8 I don't even register a signal. Really disappointing as they usually run different football games than WPGH on Sundays.
post #4223 of 4529
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Originally Posted by velvetjoneslives View Post

I'm having the same problem. QED use to be one of my strongest stations, now I can only get it on one TV. What is odd is I actually get a decent signal strength, yet the picture keeps breaking up. Not sure if this a multi-path problem or not. I'm not sure what posessed some of these stations to make the switch back to VHF. I had the same problem with WWCP. It use to come in perfectly when it was on UHF. Now that they moved back to channel 8 I don't even register a signal. Really disappointing as they usually run different football games than WPGH on Sundays.

Same problem since they went to VHF.
post #4224 of 4529
I have the same problem. On UHF 38, WQED frequently would give me a signal reading in the 70-75 percent range on my Dish Network VIP722 receiver with signal loss a very rare occurance. Now on VHF, I get a similar signal range but the dropouts are far more frequent. It's very annoying. The FCC should move everyone to UHF and be done with it. Why they didn't do that in the first place is beyond me.
post #4225 of 4529
Has WTAE done something to 4.3 and 4.4? They were coming in fine until last weekend. Pretty much disappeared since then.
post #4226 of 4529
I've had the exact opposite result with WQED. I rarely if ever pulled it in when they were on 38. Now that they have moved back to 13, it is in 24/7.

Maybe if they ran 1,000 kW when they were on 38, I would have a different opinion.
post #4227 of 4529
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Originally Posted by velvetjoneslives View Post

I'm not sure what posessed some of these stations to make the switch back to VHF. I had the same problem with WWCP. It use to come in perfectly when it was on UHF. Now that they moved back to channel 8 I don't even register a signal. Really disappointing as they usually run different football games than WPGH on Sundays.

The problem with WWCP is that they're short spaced with both WGAL 8 Lancaster and WTOV 9 Steubenville. They had to know that moving from RF 29 back to 8 would cost them actual coverage not just to the west but in their own market as well. For whatever reason (possibly lower power bills) they did so anyway. OTOH WQED never had the tower height nor the 1 MW that WWCP had on 29 so their situation is entirely different. If someone wants to donate the funds for WQED to put up a 900 foot tower maybe they would consider switching WQEX to 13 and WQED back to RF 38.
post #4228 of 4529
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Originally Posted by solariswiz View Post

Any chance that any other stations besides KDKA will put a translator in Morgantown? (Morgantown is in the Pittsburgh DMA) I used to be able to sporadically get WTAE, but can't get that at all any more. I also can't get any of the Clarksburg stations (even though they are in a different DMA). Currently can only get WNPB, and I am going to assume once KDKA puts their translator on or near the same WNPB tower I will be able to get it well. But really missing WPXI and the other Pittsburgh stations.

WPXI is planning one for nearby Uniontown but it may be difficult to receive towards Morgantown. With the population of that area both WPGH and WTAE should also consider it. Considering the success of their current translator and the fact that Hearst has applied for no less than six fill-in translators for WGAL, it seems one should definitely be considered for WTAE in the Morgantown and/or Uniontown area.
post #4229 of 4529
That would be great. I have looked at the proposed coverage maps for WPXI, and it appears that Morgantown may be able to get it, but will have to see once they actually get the tower up and operational. I think if they put everything where the WNPB Tower is it should cover the whole southwestern PA and North central WV quite well.
post #4230 of 4529
Hi - my Sony HDD 250 has been working fine. It's just not showing guide data for WTAE-DT. I think it might be a TVGOS issue. Just checked the guide on my Mits WD-Y95, and the data is missing for WTAE on 4.1 here in Pittsburgh. Is there a fix for this? Do I need to stop the feed of 4.1 and 4.2 and turn on 4.3 and 4.4 in the guide in order for the guide to populate data for channel 4? I't been this way for at least a week. Thanks.
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