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post #7471 of 9083
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Originally Posted by Falcon_77 View Post

Los Angeles PBS affiliate KCET exits network fold to go independent Wow

So much for the only "full-service" local PBS station, as it were. I wonder what will happen to BBC World News, which is made available to other PBS stations through KCET?

I can currently watch most of these same shows on KPBS San Diego, channel 15 (RF30). I saw on TVFool that a station from LA has requested to broadcast on RF30. If that happens, I doubt I'll be able to receive KPBS.
post #7472 of 9083
This doesn't look good for OTA'ers. KOCE is okay, but sharing with KVCR stinks. I've had a 10ft antenna on a 10ft pole for 10 years and I don't get KVCR. It's way off to the east instead of north where everyone else's transmitter resides. We need the major players to have transmitters on Mt. Wilson, not from someones garage in Riverside or Huntington Beach.

I'm OTA only, well with Netflix, and i'm concerned about losing some damn good programming without adding $$$ for reception.

http://pedrowatcher.ocregister.com/2...network/28174/
post #7473 of 9083
Wonder if KCET received any offers from Sezmi.
post #7474 of 9083
Well KDOC has more than football in HD.

After 3 weeks of the weird stretch-o-vision 14:9 or whatever they were doing to their image, NWA Championship Wrestling From Hollywood was on tonight in proper 16:9 format.

Image quality is OK, not as good as the college football on Saturdays, but this is a low budget in house wrestling show, I wouldn't expect it to have the greatest picture.

Tomorrow should be big HD day for KDOC. They have Football, Ducks Hockey, and a replay of NWA Hollywood on tap.

It's a shame KDOC is screwing OTA viewers by taking HD away from them.
post #7475 of 9083
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Originally Posted by turbobuick86 View Post

I've had a 10ft antenna on a 10ft pole for 10 years and I don't get KVCR. It's way off to the east instead of north where everyone else's transmitter resides. We need the major players to have transmitters on Mt. Wilson, not from someones garage in Riverside or Huntington Beach.

A nice powerful translator on Wilson, that's what KVCR needs. They can put it on channel ... uh ... hmmmm. Well anyway, they need a nice powerful translator on Wilson.

Can't get them here in this part of Tustin at all. Seems there's this mountain in the way. Stupid mountain.
post #7476 of 9083
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Originally Posted by narkspud View Post

A nice powerful translator on Wilson, that's what KVCR needs. They can put it on channel ... uh ... hmmmm. Well anyway, they need a nice powerful translator on Wilson.

Can't get them here in this part of Tustin at all. Seems there's this mountain in the way. Stupid mountain.

You're better off than I am. My mountains block everything from Wilson. The only channel I can get is KVCR in Sun City.

Well, I can also get KVMD which is good to watch RAI for free.
post #7477 of 9083
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Originally Posted by Falcon_77 View Post

I wonder if this means that the areas served by KCET translators will lose PBS programming. Well, I imagine cable/sat will be allowed to switch to KOCE, but what about OTA?

K47CC-D 47 VICTORVILLE, CA
K26FT 26 SANTA BARBARA, CA
K28GY-D 28 SANTA BARBARA, ETC., CA
K16FC-D 16 SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
K46II-D 46 BAKERSFIELD, CA
K51DD-D 51 RIDGECREST, CA

It's a good thing that we didn't lose KOCE to Daystar!

I wonder what will happen to the KCET subchannels that currently carry PBS World etc. I fear this will backfire on them and within a year they'll be in the kind of perpetual beg-a-thon like has happened to KOCE. I don't know what happened at KLCS either, of late they close down from midnight to 6:00am. Budgeting?
post #7478 of 9083
NWA Hollywood?? They should have called it NWO Hollywood. No idea why they show Flair and use his theme song as their opening. Personally, I would probably be only interested in seeing Awesome Kong and Sara Del Rey.
post #7479 of 9083
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Originally Posted by Falcon_77 View Post

Los Angeles PBS affiliate KCET exits network fold to go independent

Wow

So much for the only "full-service" local PBS station, as it were. I wonder what will happen to BBC World News, which is made available to other PBS stations through KCET?

This is quite a bombshell! Content-wise none of the regional PBS stations would be able to replace KCET completely, unless they change their programming. I think that, by far, the biggest loss would be PBS World on 28.4, with all of the great documentaries.

KOCE is the only station that reliably covers the LA area, having a signal even more reliable and stable than KCET. But they too seem to be in dire straits financially. They seem to have been in a nearly perpetual pledge drive mode for the last 2 1/2 years and their programming has suffered badly as a result. For this reason, I seldom watch KOCE anymo0re.

KPBS only comes in during the summer months for most of us, when there is a "skip" into San Diego. And this year, that skip has been particularly unreliable and intermittent. Content-wise, KPBS 15.1 seems to be virtually identical to KCET 28.1, but the only subchannel is 15.2 which apparently carries the Spanish language Vme, like 28.3. There is no PBS World.

By fortunate coincidence, KVCR is almost exactly in the same LOS as Mt. Wilson, at my location. For a long time, it came in most of the time with a solid signal, but during the past few months it has been difficult to pick up at all. It has been suggested that they may be running reduced power, and will presumably return to normal strength in the future. KVCR only carries a limited number of the major PBS programs, and carries a lot of its own shows. This makes it a great "supplement" to the other PBS stations, but not an ideal substitute.
post #7480 of 9083
What's up with KFLA - 8? Is the power so low you have to be hardwired to their transmitter to get a picture? Looking at their lineup, it's contains a lot of classic comedy shows that I would enjoy immensely.

I'm over 90% signal strength on all locals and KFLA is 22% and no reception. I'm 21 miles from Mt. Wilson with a visual on the transmitters and the observatories too (air quality permitting).
post #7481 of 9083
The HD soap operas on Univision look so bad now. I use Tivo in my bedroom and watch channel 34 OTA. I went to my sister's room (she has DirecTV HD) and I saw the quality of Univision HD and was surprised. I never thought the quality would be better on satellite than from OTA!
post #7482 of 9083
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Originally Posted by memo90061 View Post

The HD soap operas on Univision look so bad now. I use Tivo in my bedroom and watch channel 34 OTA. I went to my sister's room (she has DirecTV HD) and I saw the quality of Univision HD and was surprised. I never thought the quality would be better on satellite than from OTA!


What TiVo do you have? There should be no difference if broadcast is in HD between OTA, Sat or cable.
post #7483 of 9083
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Originally Posted by turbobuick86 View Post

What's up with KFLA - 8? Is the power so low you have to be hardwired to their transmitter to get a picture?

Just 300 watts the maximum for low power VHF digital stations. They have applied for displacement and asked for 15 kW on channel 22.
post #7484 of 9083
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Originally Posted by Teeps View Post

What TiVo do you have? There should be no difference if broadcast is in HD between OTA, Sat or cable.

No. There can be a very big difference between OTA and satellite or cable. This is because satellite and cable operators often try to cram far to many channels into their limited bandwidth, resulting in soft, fuzzy pictures with lots of artifacts. They seem to think that the only thing the public cares about is how many channels are available, and that nobody cares about PQ.
post #7485 of 9083
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Originally Posted by Sammer View Post

Just 300 watts the maximum for low power VHF digital stations. They have applied for displacement and asked for 15 kW on channel 22.

Guess that explains it, thanks. I emailed their director, but got nothing back. Probably can't spare any bandwidth for email.
post #7486 of 9083
was it just Time Warner Cable or was KNBC DT breaking up ota last night during L&O too?
post #7487 of 9083
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Originally Posted by WackyPacks View Post

Wonder if KCET received any offers from Sezmi.


They could use 28-4 (since they said PBS World was going away) and possibly 28-2 (their alleged OC Channel which most of the time repeats 28-4 anyway)
post #7488 of 9083
Is anyone having trouble with NBC HD?

I haven't been able to get it since 2 days ago & it has a NFL game today.

I'm with Charter cable & the HD channel is usually 4-1 as opposed to the NBC SD channel which is 4.

Every other OTA HD channel is fine though.
post #7489 of 9083
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Originally Posted by wtfer View Post

Is anyone having trouble with NBC HD?

I haven't been able to get it since 2 days ago & it has a NFL game today.

I'm with Charter cable & the HD channel is usually 4-1 as opposed to the NBC SD channel which is 4.

Every other OTA HD channel is fine though.

I'm strictly OTA/TiVo and haven't noticed any issues and I checked just now. I don't watch a lot of live TV, but we've had guests for several days and if NBC was out at any time, I think someone would have mentioned it.

You might have to rescan the channels. Whether you're with Charter, or anyone else, OTA is stand alone as far a signal is concerned.
post #7490 of 9083
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Originally Posted by ercjncpr View Post

They could use 28-4 (since they said PBS World was going away) and possibly 28-2 (their alleged OC Channel which most of the time repeats 28-4 anyway)

The loss of PBS World will be a disaster. Nobody else anywhere in the area carries it. Perhaps KOCE could pick it up on one of their subchannels. As for 28.2, I think it more repeats the programming on 28.1, but I really do like to watch the PBS NewsHour at the same time when it is aired on the east coast (3:00 PM Pacific time). It is not delayed, and, for me personally, this is a more convenient time anyway. Undoubtedly, all of this will be lost, unless someone else picks it up.

As for Sezmi, anyone who wants to go that route really should just subscribe to cable or satellite instead. We certainly don't need another pay TV service, especially when it fouls up the quality of OTA broadcasts!
post #7491 of 9083
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Originally Posted by HarrisonS View Post

The loss of PBS World will be a disaster. Nobody else anywhere in the area carries it. Perhaps KOCE could pick it up on one of their subchannels. As for 28.2, I think it more repeats the programming on 28.1, but I really do like to watch the PBS NewsHour at the same time when it is aired on the east coast (3:00 PM Pacific time). It is not delayed, and, for me personally, this is a more convenient time anyway. Undoubtedly, all of this will be lost, unless someone else picks it up.

As for Sezmi, anyone who wants to go that route really should just subscribe to cable or satellite instead. We certainly don't need another pay TV service, especially when it fouls up the quality of OTA broadcasts!

The Chicago market PBS stations have never carried PBS World. WTTW took a pass on it to carry WTTW Prime (a locally programmed primetime channel 24 hours a day), Create (they picked up after WYIN couldn't afford the fees to keep that channel), & V-Me (free service, but also because it serves the underserved spanish speaking population within PBS, but not with all the other networks on commercial television). WYCC for some reason insists on running an SD version of their channel on 20.2, and carry Mhz Worldview on 20.3. WTTW is the general market PBS station with WYCC being secondary, focussing more on college courses & childrens programming (not as heavily as WTTW for childrens, but they added childrens programming during the week). In the evening & overnight, they air programming from Mhz & documentaries. So someone would think that WYCC would pick them up. I doubt they're interested. WYIN, based in NW Indiana (licensed to Gary, INdiana) serves the NW Indiana area & covers NW Indiana & south Chicagoland. So they don't receive the funding at the same level as the Chicago stations do. So I don't know their reason for not carrying PBS World. I had heard it's a free service. If it is, then I don't know why this station is taking a pass on it when they have 2 subchannels simulcasting the main channel (56.1-720p HD, 56.2-720p HD, & 56.4-480i widescreen all simulcast) with 56.3 (widescreen 480i) being a locally programmed PBS Kids Go channel. WYIN supposedly has other plans for the other 2 channels (if one of them goes thru, which is the Indiana Channel for all Indiana PBS stations).

So if PBS World is a free service, then maybe one of the other PBS stations could pick it up. In Chicago, the only way people can see it OTA is if they're lucky to pickup WMVS out of Milwaukee Wisconsin. Otherwise, the only other way is thru FTA (free to air) & DBS (DirecTV & Dish Network) satellite.
post #7492 of 9083
From TV Week
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After 40 Years Los Angeles' PBS Giant, KCET, Will Drop PBS Affiliation; Announces Plan to Become Country's Largest Independent Public TV Station (LA Times, AP)

KCET-TV, the Los Angeles area's public broadcasting station for 40 years, announced on Friday that it would cut its PBS affiliation beginning Jan. 1 and become the country's largest independent public TV station, reports Scott Collins in the Los Angeles Times. The station is channel 28 on the UHF dial.

While the news took PBS executives in Washington by surprise, KCET President Al Jerome said in a statement that the station had been talking with PBS for more than three years about "the need to address challenges" for the station and its market, the story says.

In an interview, he added that the station will spend two years to build out its own programming, with the station continuing to air locally produced public-affairs shows such as "SoCal Connected," the article notes. The break comes after the station had chaffed under PBS' required dues, which had jumped 40% after 2005, the story notes.

Viewers will also be facing changes, with Jerome acknowledging, "There are going to be some disruptions." The Associated Press notes that while there are three other PBS stations that serve Southern California, none carry the full slate of PBS shows.

Yet in a separate Los Angeles Times story, also by Scott Collins, PBS President Paula Kerger says that the city will get a full slate of PBS shows. She noted that KOCE-TV, a "secondary" affiliate in Orange County that carries just 25% of PBS programming, is likely to become a primary station, if needed.

While KCET, KOCE and two other public stations in the area had been talking about money-saving strategies and a way to keep KCET in the PBS fold, that consortium will continue without KCET, the story says.

KCET President Al Jerome has plenty of TV station experience. According to his bio, "Before coming to KCET, Jerome had a successful career in commercial broadcasting. His early experience was in sales and sales management at ABC and CBS. In 1975, Jerome began a seventeen year association at NBC, which included a decade as President of the NBC Television Station Group, responsible for oversight of the company-owned affiliates in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington, Cleveland, Miami, and Denver, as well as NBC Spot Sales. He also served as Vice-President and General Manager of WNBC-TV/New York."

The bio continues, "In 1992, Jerome was recruited to be president and chief executive officer of SpectraVision, Inc., the hotel industry's leading provider of pay-per-view entertainment and interactive television programming."

Jerome came to KCET in 1996.
post #7493 of 9083
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Originally Posted by HarrisonS View Post

KOCE is the only station that reliably covers the LA area, having a signal even more reliable and stable than KCET. But they too seem to be in dire straits financially.

KPBS only comes in during the summer months for most of us, when there is a "skip" into San Diego.

By fortunate coincidence, KVCR is almost exactly in the same LOS as Mt. Wilson, at my location.

KOCE nearly went away when Daystar was throwing its weight around, but KOCE still has the Daystar leach sub-channel, plus their own sub, plus a few Sezmi subs. I'm afraid there's no bandwidth on KCOE for World.

I can't easily receive KVCR, due to Santiago Peak/Saddleback Mountain, so it is of no use to me. Most in Orange County suffer from the same problem with KVCR. I forgot if it was carried on cable systems here, last time I had Cox (been a while). Anyone know?

KLCS doesn't have HD, but seems to be in the tank right now (just a color bar pattern). I wonder what's going on? They could probably add World.
post #7494 of 9083
I was speculating with a friend that since Create is not a PBS-produced subchannel, perhaps KCET and KLCS could trade World and Create.

- Trip
post #7495 of 9083
I have the Tivo HD. I had Time Warner Cable and the OTA Univision looked better than Time Warner but DirecTV's version of channel 34 looks better!
post #7496 of 9083
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Originally Posted by Falcon_77 View Post

... KLCS doesn't have HD, but seems to be in the tank right now (just a color bar pattern). I wonder what's going on? They could probably add World.

KLCS went down yesterday including their feeds to DirecTV and cable companies.

Time-Warner cable on the west-side still had color bars mid-afternoon.

Back up now on DirecTV and OTA with only the primary channel (58.1) and no program info etc.
post #7497 of 9083
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Originally Posted by BondiBluey View Post

KLCS went down yesterday including their feeds to DirecTV and cable companies.

Back up now on DirecTV and OTA with only the primary channel (58.1) and no program info etc.

I got the following email response:

I am happy to report that our main Channel 58.1 has been restored to air. The other channels 58.2, 58.3, and 58.4 will be restored as soon as the needed equipment has been repaired.

Again I apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for watching KLCS-TV.

Sincerely,

Alan Popkin

Director of TV Engineering
post #7498 of 9083
If KLCS gets involved in carrying more PBS content, I only hope they do something to drastically improve its signal. It is very difficult to pick up here due to the poor location of its transmitter.
post #7499 of 9083
Since Create is owned by American Public Television and not PBS, KCET picking up Create would seem to be a likely possibility. Here in Bakersfield, we already get Create from a translator of KVPT Fresno. Losing World will really suck.

Bakersfield will still get the full PBS schedule from KVPT. Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Palm Springs, and Victorville won't be so lucky. Cable companies in SLO/SB could carry KOCE, KLCS, and KVCR, or they could carry KVPT, KQED San Francisco, or the PBS station in the Monterey/Santa Cruz/Salinas market (not sure what it's call letters are), if those stations would agree to be carried. Palm Springs' cable company would carry all 3 L.A. stations or import KPBS San Diego. Victorville's cable company would probably have to carry the 3 L.A. stations, since Victorville is in the L.A. DMA.
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Originally Posted by Desert Hawk View Post

Since Create is owned by American Public Television and not PBS, KCET picking up Create would seem to be a likely possibility. Here in Bakersfield, we already get Create from a translator of KVPT Fresno. Losing World will really suck.

Bakersfield will still get the full PBS schedule from KVPT. Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Palm Springs, and Victorville won't be so lucky. Cable companies in SLO/SB could carry KOCE, KLCS, and KVCR, or they could carry KVPT, KQED San Francisco, or the PBS station in the Monterey/Santa Cruz/Salinas market (not sure what it's call letters are), if those stations would agree to be carried. Palm Springs' cable company would carry all 3 L.A. stations or import KPBS San Diego. Victorville's cable company would probably have to carry the 3 L.A. stations, since Victorville is in the L.A. DMA.

American Public Television might be the primary owner of Create, but not all shows on Create are APT programs. I believe WNET Newark NJ is also part owner of Create. This Old House/Ask This Old House is a PBS program that is distributed by WGBH Boston. Also, Mexico One Plate At A Time is a PBS show distributed by WTTW National. I believe even Hometime isn't an APT program. That's distributed by WHYY Wilmington, DE. If I'm not mistaken, Create shows the most recent episodes of most of these shows. So in that case, KCET can not carry Create, since it does have some PBS shows in the lineup. I believe they can acquire programming from APT since it isn't actually part of PBS.
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