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post #8791 of 9442
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Originally Posted by MichaelLAX View Post

I don't know if this has been reported here (maybe I missed it), but MeTV is now being simulcast on Channel 20 in addition to Channel 56-3.

The significance is that now ALL Los Angeles DirecTV subscribers can receive it without an OTA antenna...

Yeah ... the formal announcement PDF was first noted here back on 4/17 by zarg7883;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post21920321

The only issue so far though is that its not 24/7 telecasting of MeTV programming like OTA KDOC 56-3. As right now there is a gap reserved between 5:30 AM - 8:00AM local on the weekdays for religious programming. And between 5:30AM - 9:30 AM for religious and infomercials on the weekends.
post #8792 of 9442
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

I played more tonight with the same CRT TV, Zeinth converter box, and antenna setup (did not touch it). The weather was getting dark, cooler, and cloudy outside. I was curious if that made things different.

Here is the channels I noticed from about 7:45 PM PDT to about 8:35 PM PDT: KCBS2 (sometimes stable and sometimes unstable), KNBC4 (sometimes stable and unstable), KTLA5, KABC7, KCAL9, KSCI18, 22, KCET28, ION30, 31, 34, 40 (stable and unstable), 46, 52, 54, 56, KLCS58 (stable and unstable), 62, and 63. I noticed the problematic channels can be stable for a few minutes and then unstable for a few minutes. Basically, they come and go. KTTV11 and KCOP13 never showed up. Rescanning twice showed different results: 65 channels and 76 channels.

Does anyone know of a good antenna rotator since some channels are stronger depending on what direction (left and right of the opposite neighbor's house, but this will suck when we share the same antenna and want to watch specific channel at the same time)? Of course from the local retail stores that let us return it.

Also, signals were worse lately. About 30-40 channels...
post #8793 of 9442
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post
Does anyone know of a good antenna rotator since some channels are stronger depending on what direction (left and right of the opposite neighbor's house, but this will suck when we share the same antenna and want to watch specific channel at the same time)? Of course from the local retail stores that let us return it.

Also, signals were worse lately. About 30-40 channels...
I can receive 95 channels with the antennas pointed toward LA this morning.

This is on my TiVo Premiere.

I have attached the list in an Adobe .pdf document FYI.

Antenna is shown in Post 8598.

 

TV OTA LA LIST.pdf 52.0771484375k . file
post #8794 of 9442
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Originally Posted by Ennui View Post

I can receive 95 channels with the antennas pointed toward LA this morning.

I have attached the list in an Adobe .pdf document FYI.

Uh, thanks?

I quickly checked again this morning to see if it improved compared to recently, Zeinth converter box scanned/found 58 (more than 40 on Monday night) channels (2, 4, 22 (somewhat watchable), 28, 30, 31, 46, 52, and 62 (soso). Others were bad or not lockable to get the feeds (only detected). Two converter box's EZ scans failed to get more (cool feature to use). It does confirm to be weather and temperature related?

This weekend, I will try taking that attic RCA antenna down and trying outside (front yard) and backyard on a very high point on its hill to see if they improve or not. I doubt it.

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5/19/2012 afternoon updates: We were still unable to get attic feed (e.g., channels 2, 4, 18, and higher) to work well/better.

However, I did take the RCA antenna and the portable 12" ATSC DTV outside to explore. Outside in the front yard was a good area (still facing west or east of the neighbor's big house across the street). Out on the backyard's high hill areas did not do well. I think the house's roof is interferering the OTA feed or something. I was able to get the best spot back in the kitchen on the ground level and has to be excactly in the middle of that place. I managed to get all the local channels (all the ones we want!) with 108 and 111 scanned! Ha! KCBS was the most iffy, but watchable. I don't know how they will do at night, raining weather, etc. Of course, my folks still refuse to put the antenna on the roof. Not even outside too which I proved to them. Ugh! I did tell my folks that the attic was a bad area because of all the metals, crowded walls, etc.

Also, I was able to see that channel 31 translator antenna from a high hill area.
post #8795 of 9442
I use to get 8.1 and 8.2 then they did an upgrade. I did a new auto scan on all my tv's and no luck. I get all the other channels no problem. I even used a digital converter that had never been used and scanned and no luck. It would be fun to have these channels. I love 5.2 and 56.1 and 56.3
post #8796 of 9442
I was wondering the same thing. does anyone get 8.1?
post #8797 of 9442
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Originally Posted by dogsalmon View Post

I was wondering the same thing. does anyone get 8.1?

When KFLA moved to UHF (RF-52 I think it was) it would sometimes appear albeit very faint and spotty. The UHF channel they were on the FCC deemed out of core and KFLA had to reluctantly move back to RF-8 where it just cannot perform with puny 300 watts behind it.

You'll have a greater chance getting a whiff of KFMB-8 out of San Diego before getting a lock on KFLA.
post #8798 of 9442
Last weekend while staying at my Dad's house, I was able to pickup 8.x and 10.1 on an indoor RCA-ANT 111 rabbit ears in the West Encino Hills.
post #8799 of 9442
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Originally Posted by Robnoxious View Post

When KFLA moved to UHF (RF-52 I think it was) it would sometimes appear albeit very faint and spotty. The UHF channel they were on the FCC deemed out of core and KFLA had to reluctantly move back to RF-8 where it just cannot perform with puny 300 watts behind it.

You'll have a greater chance getting a whiff of KFMB-8 out of San Diego before getting a lock on KFLA.

Actually, the move to RF-8 was fortunate. At my location reception of KFLA on RF-52 was impossible, probably because UHF is just too directional, and the signal is unable to diffract as effectively around even minor obstructions. VHF is far better in such cases, and at least now, I can get solid reception of KFLA about half of the time. It is still very weather dependent, however, and during the summer, reception of KFMB and other San Diego stations is more likely, as you suggested.
post #8800 of 9442
They claim that the FCC allowed them a tenfold increase in power to 3,000 watts when they were required to revert to channel 8-VHF:

KFLA Technical discussion of improvements to our system

"History of KFLA - the station went on the air from Mt. Wilson October 17, 2007. The station transmitted at 300 watts, the then allowed maximum power for a VHF community station. Most people received our signal quite well.

In March on 2009 KFMB San Diego changed it's digital broadcasts to ch 8 causing interference to some of our viewers. Southern Orange County and South Beach areas were effected the most.

In mid 2009 KFLA asked the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for permission to change to a new transmit frequency of ch 22. This application has not acted on.

In late 2010 we applied for and were granted temporary authority to change our transmit frequency to ch 52. A new transmitter and antenna were installed. The interference problem was completely gone and our signal was much improved in most areas.

However, viewers living close to the mountains in the San Fernando, the San Gabriel Valleys and areas East into San Bernardino County were unable to receive the new signal. UHF signals do not "refract" (bend) as well as our old signal did on VHF ch 8. The fix was to move the antenna higher up on the tower to get above the obstructions.

On July 15th, in a surprise move the FCC ordered all TV stations in the Country to stop transmitting on any channel above ch 51 by the end of 2011. This effected KFLA and two other community TV stations in Southern California.

The first thing we did was pick ourselves up off the floor, dusted ourselves off and began work on a plan to keep KFLA on the air. It became apparent that the FCC was not going to grant our request to use ch 22. Our only option was to go back to our ch 8 transmit frequency. The good news is the FCC raised the maximum power limit for VHF community stations to 3,000 watts - a ten fold increase. We expect this power increase to resolve most or all of the interference problems people in the South Bay and Southern Orange County areas had.

We applied for and were granted authority to go back to ch 8. A new antenna system has been installed at the 350 level of our tower - more than double our original height. The installation of a new 3,000 watt transmitter system was completed last week and we are currently conducting equipment tests of the new system.

This greatly improves our signal in most areas. However, we are required to "protect" KFMB in San Diego. To do this we must greatly reduce our signal towards San Diego. This effects the very eastern and southern areas of Orange County and all of the Inland Empire. This map shows the coverage of the new, higher power, ch 8 transmitter. The areas with no color overlay will require a very large antenna system if they are able to receive KFLA at all.

We do have a fix for these areas. We have agreed to purchase a second community station which we will operate as a fill in translator to serve those areas. Permission to transfer the license to us is pending before the FCC. We expect (hope for) a grant soon. This transmitter will be placed at Box Springs, the current transmit site for KVCR television and numerous FM Radio stations that serve the Inland Empire.

Here are the specifics of our new system:

RF Channel is ch 8
Virtual channel is ch 8
Effective Radiated Power is 3,000 watts
Transmit antenna is mounted at the 350' level of the "CBS tower" at Mt. Wilson. This is the western most and tallest tower at Mt. Wilson. It is the only tower that is painted red and white and the only tower with red lights."
post #8801 of 9442
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Originally Posted by dogsalmon View Post

I use to get 8.1 and 8.2 then they did an upgrade. I did a new auto scan on all my tv's and no luck. I get all the other channels no problem. I even used a digital converter that had never been used and scanned and no luck. It would be fun to have these channels. I love 5.2 and 56.1 and 56.3

I'm in the process of adding a 2nd story on my house. A couple of weeks ago I was experimenting with a new location for an antenna. Both KFLA & KIIO came in very strong when my antenna was under the front gable. I think the radiant barrier on the roof either blocked channels 8 & 10 from San Diego, or it reflected a stronger signal from KFLA & KIIO to the antenna. The drywall is up now & I'm not mounting an antenna outside under my front gable, so I'll experiment later to see if any other locations can pick up those two station more reliably then my current location, in my front utility closet.
post #8802 of 9442
Wow. It has been a while since my first post on this subject. Until recently, I was still using my DB4 antenna.

During that time, reception of Ch 11 & 13 improved to the point that they became viewable, although not without problems. According to what I read on this thread, they actually boosted the power of the signal. Yay!

However, I still had trouble with getting Ch 9 (KCAL) at all.

There was a sale running on the C2 so I finally picked one up. I swapped out the DB4 and rescanned my channels.

Low and behold, Ch 9 now comes in! I still maintain excellent signal strength with the other channels also. So, for an antenna that isn't really supposed to pick up VHF well, the C2 is working great for me!


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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

I was picking up all digital channels with 98-100% signal strength using:

http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB4_HDTV_antenna.html


pointed from my attic space to Mt. Wilson. After channels 7 - 13 moved back to VHF, I no longer receive two and the other two are weak.


What do you guys think of this one as a replacement:

http://www.antennasdirect.com/C2-Cle...V-antenna.html


Looks like it was designed specifically for what changed. Too bad it is almost $100 though.

Edited by jdryyz - 6/7/12 at 3:23pm
post #8803 of 9442
KDOC used to be 1080i, now they are 720p. I saw something odd while watching 56.1. They were showing a 480i program so normally I would see black areas on both sides of the picture. What I saw today were two vertical banners saying I was watching KDOC HD. It's a little distracting.
post #8804 of 9442
I want to get this sorted out this summer....

If I don't have to install an outdoor antenna then great. The budget is really tight. I currently have the Radio Shack "Surfboard" UHF antenna back when all the HD channels where UHF. Since the official switch-over however all the VHF-Hi channels are out of reach. I tried with a set of cheap Rabbit Ears and barely get KABC. I'm in the middle of the SFV (Reseda) my windows is pointed straight at Mt Wilson. The Antenna is in my window, left corner about 7.5 feet off the ground with tree branches in the way. I can see why simple Rabbit Ears might not work, but I also tried a non-amped Antenna attached to my laptop with a Pinnacle USB HDTV tuner, in two locations, both outdoors, still only got UHF channels no VHF-Hi.

So I am wondering if one of these would be a good choice -

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2

or one of those paper thin flat antennas? Mohu Leaf or Winegard Flat??

Winegard says its flat is good to about 25 miles. According to TV Fool, I am 27 Miles (.2-.6) from the main towers and the signal maps indicates Yellow for small-ish antennas. Without the amp my RS antenna struggles to get most of the channels but with it, it gets all the indicated UHF channels without issue. Every so often I have a problem with KCBS but generally its fine, perfect in the spring and summer.

Which would you get? I would say my budget is $40, but given the Monoprice is less than $20, the cheaper the better.

Thanks
post #8805 of 9442
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

I want to get this sorted out this summer....
If I don't have to install an outdoor antenna then great. The budget is really tight. I currently have the Radio Shack "Surfboard" UHF antenna back when all the HD channels where UHF. Since the official switch-over however all the VHF-Hi channels are out of reach. I tried with a set of cheap Rabbit Ears and barely get KABC. I'm in the middle of the SFV (Reseda) my windows is pointed straight at Mt Wilson. The Antenna is in my window, left corner about 7.5 feet off the ground with tree branches in the way. I can see why simple Rabbit Ears might not work, but I also tried a non-amped Antenna attached to my laptop with a Pinnacle USB HDTV tuner, in two locations, both outdoors, still only got UHF channels no VHF-Hi.
So I am wondering if one of these would be a good choice -
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2
or one of those paper thin flat antennas? Mohu Leaf or Winegard Flat??
Winegard says its flat is good to about 25 miles. According to TV Fool, I am 27 Miles (.2-.6) from the main towers and the signal maps indicates Yellow for small-ish antennas. Without the amp my RS antenna struggles to get most of the channels but with it, it gets all the indicated UHF channels without issue. Every so often I have a problem with KCBS but generally its fine, perfect in the spring and summer.
Which would you get? I would say my budget is $40, but given the Monoprice is less than $20, the cheaper the better.
Thanks


The trees are your biggest problem. To get the best reception, the antenna needs an unobstructed line of sight the Mt.Wilson antenna array.
I had to upgrade to an outdoor UHF/VHF/FM antenna in order to reliably receive VHF digital channels.

As far as which one of your choices to choose; flip a coin. Just make sure you can return "it" if needed.
post #8806 of 9442
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Originally Posted by Teeps View Post

The trees are your biggest problem. To get the best reception, the antenna needs an unobstructed line of sight the Mt.Wilson antenna array.
I had to upgrade to an outdoor UHF/VHF/FM antenna in order to reliably receive VHF digital channels.
As far as which one of your choices to choose; flip a coin. Just make sure you can return "it" if needed.
Are the trees of all types or specific ones?
post #8807 of 9442
If you can see Mt. Wilson from your window, I would use a Terk HDTVa. My daughter lives 40+ miles from Mt. Wilson and can receive all the local stations within her condo. However certain stations do require her to re-aim her Terk slightly.
post #8808 of 9442
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

Are the trees of all types or specific ones?

Any tree that has thick foliage or canopy could cause a problem. If you can't see through the canopy, the more likely it is to cause a reception problem.
A single 100 year old Oak tree, blocking line of sight, would pose more of a problem than a single Palm tree.
post #8809 of 9442
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Originally Posted by Teeps View Post

Any tree that has thick foliage or canopy could cause a problem. If you can't see through the canopy, the more likely it is to cause a reception problem.
A single 100 year old Oak tree, blocking line of sight, would pose more of a problem than a single Palm tree.
Same for thin and thick branches and trunks too, right?
Edited by phildaant - 6/10/12 at 11:31am
post #8810 of 9442
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Originally Posted by Teeps View Post

Any tree that has thick foliage or canopy could cause a problem. If you can't see through the canopy, the more likely it is to cause a reception problem.
A single 100 year old Oak tree, blocking line of sight, would pose more of a problem than a single Palm tree.

Not all trees cause problems. See my picture. My antenna in the attic has to look through those two trees to receive signals from Mt. Wilson. I am 30 miles out and I don't have line-of-sight (one edge.) trees.jpg 86k .jpg file
post #8811 of 9442
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Originally Posted by retiredengineer View Post

KDOC used to be 1080i, now they are 720p. I saw something odd while watching 56.1. They were showing a 480i program so normally I would see black areas on both sides of the picture. What I saw today were two vertical banners saying I was watching KDOC HD. It's a little distracting.

Interesting;

KDOC's feed on DIRECTV is still showing natively as 1080i, yet OTA is indeed 720p. confused.gif
post #8812 of 9442
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Originally Posted by retiredengineer View Post

Not all trees cause problems. See my picture. My antenna in the attic has to look through those two trees to receive signals from Mt. Wilson. I am 30 miles out and I don't have line-of-sight (one edge.) trees.jpg 86k .jpg file
In my previous house there was a huge connifer directly in front of my antenna. Since I got a few breakup on several channels I cut it down to below the antenna level. No difference.

Rick R
post #8813 of 9442
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Originally Posted by Teeps View Post

The trees are your biggest problem. To get the best reception, the antenna needs an unobstructed line of sight the Mt.Wilson antenna array.
I had to upgrade to an outdoor UHF/VHF/FM antenna in order to reliably receive VHF digital channels.
As far as which one of your choices to choose; flip a coin. Just make sure you can return "it" if needed.

362

I hooked up a cheap RCA UHF/VHF antenna and got KABC, but KCAL broke up a bit and I couldn't even get Fox or KCOP (13). It wasn't as high as the Radio Shack "Surfboard" you see in the picture. You can see the tree branches but I can see out of course. In fact the RCA had to deal with more foliage than the Radio Shack does.

I also hear VHF is more directional, just placing a UHF almost anywhere you pick up a signal and most channels. I put that same RCA in a side windows facing north (towards Northern California) and still got the majority of UHF channels hooked to a DirecTV HD-DVR. Nothing is in front of that window and its at least 15 ft from the wall/fence.

I had to buy a USB WiFi dongle because the NIC on this new ASRock board (Realtek) is giving me issues, so until I know what the deal is (sending back to Amazon or ASRock) and take the dongle back, I won't be buying an antenna until later, but before the next F1 race during Fox's mid-summer coverage and for sure before football season starts.
post #8814 of 9442
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Originally Posted by retiredengineer View Post

KDOC used to be 1080i, now they are 720p. I saw something odd while watching 56.1. They were showing a 480i program so normally I would see black areas on both sides of the picture. What I saw today were two vertical banners saying I was watching KDOC HD. It's a little distracting.


Yeah I'm not a fan of side bar spam on the 4:3 shows . As far as the difference between 1080i and 720p is more imaginary than real especially with classic or modern re runs of syndicated tv . If the source material was mastered in 1080i it looks way better better (i.e later seasons of CSI Miami) , if its a re run of adam 12 remastered at 480p and unscaled to 1080i it usually look worse and is usually better served at 720p. Since KDOC has no 1st run programing other than sports that maybe broadcast at 1080i its syndicated fare of re runs doesn't look any worse for ware in 720p at least on my 37" led tv.
post #8815 of 9442
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

I also hear VHF is more directional, just placing a UHF almost anywhere you pick up a signal and most channels. I put that same RCA in a side windows facing north (towards Northern California) and still got the majority of UHF channels hooked to a DirecTV HD-DVR. Nothing is in front of that window and its at least 15 ft from the wall/fence.

No, it is just the opposite, VHF is less directional than UHF. The shorter wavelengths of UHF cause it to behave more like a beam of light, so that it is more easily blocked by obstructions. VHF, on the other hand, can bend more easily around obstructions by diffraction. If you don't have a perfect LOS to any of the Mt. Wilson station, you may have trouble receiving them if they are transmitting on UHF. The downside aspect of VHF is, of course, that you need a much larger antenna for best results. Anyway, I remember getting a dramatic improvement in reception of KTTV 11 and KCOP 13 when they moved to VHF, even when they were running at greatly reduced power at the time. In fact, reception of KCOP 13 on UHF was impossible.
post #8816 of 9442
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Originally Posted by HarrisonS View Post

No, it is just the opposite, VHF is less directional than UHF. The shorter wavelengths of UHF cause it to behave more like a beam of light, so that it is more easily blocked by obstructions. VHF, on the other hand, can bend more easily around obstructions by diffraction. If you don't have a perfect LOS to any of the Mt. Wilson station, you may have trouble receiving them if they are transmitting on UHF. The downside aspect of VHF is, of course, that you need a much larger antenna for best results. Anyway, I remember getting a dramatic improvement in reception of KTTV 11 and KCOP 13 when they moved to VHF, even when they were running at greatly reduced power at the time. In fact, reception of KCOP 13 on UHF was impossible.

That's interesting. Like I said I put the RCA down on the desk about level with the fence you see in the picture. I got a few channels but that's about it. VHF hardly and UHF better. 4 and 5 have been the strongest since the switch. Likely because KTLA is in Hollywood and 4 in Burbank. But ABC is in Burbank..... Not sure where Fox beams now and 13 is still in the same building...

Anyway I think I will go with my original idea which is to get that $19 Antenna from Monoprice and a couple of combiners to combine the DirecTV signal and the OTA single over the RG6 cable and then split it again once inside my room. If it works well, I may press my other PCTV (Hauppauge) USB tuner into service since my 650HD is PCI no the PCIe version and I really don't want to spend any more money on this thing until the end of the year.

I am testing the little antenna that came with the PCTV. UHF channels FINE. Going to invest in one of these antennas before this weekend (June 24) European GP.
post #8817 of 9442
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

That's interesting. Like I said I put the RCA down on the desk about level with the fence you see in the picture. I got a few channels but that's about it. VHF hardly and UHF better. 4 and 5 have been the strongest since the switch. Likely because KTLA is in Hollywood and 4 in Burbank. But ABC is in Burbank..... Not sure where Fox beams now and 13 is still in the same building...
Um, I thought all of their transmitters are on Mt. Wilson?
post #8818 of 9442
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

That's interesting. Like I said I put the RCA down on the desk about level with the fence you see in the picture. I got a few channels but that's about it. VHF hardly and UHF better. 4 and 5 have been the strongest since the switch. Likely because KTLA is in Hollywood and 4 in Burbank. But ABC is in Burbank..... Not sure where Fox beams now and 13 is still in the same building...

Um, no. 99% of a TV signals in Los Angeles transmit from Mt. Wilson, NOT from their studio locations.
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

Anyway I think I will go with my original idea which is to get that $19 Antenna from Monoprice and a couple of combiners to combine the DirecTV signal and the OTA single over the RG6 cable and then split it again once inside my room.

Warning! That Monoprice antenna has an amplifier. You DO NOT NEED such a thing, especially an exceedingly cheap one that will do nothing but add distortion and noise to your signals. If you have a clear shot to Mt. Wilson, an RCA ANT-751 or a Channel Master 2016 will do fine. Don't try any of the fancy flat antennas - they generally have poor VHF performance.

If you do not have a clear shot to Mt. Wilson, then larger antennas will be needed. The predictions at tvfool.com will tell you if you do (use your EXACT address when using it).
post #8819 of 9442
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

That's interesting. Like I said I put the RCA down on the desk about level with the fence you see in the picture. I got a few channels but that's about it. VHF hardly and UHF better. 4 and 5 have been the strongest since the switch. Likely because KTLA is in Hollywood and 4 in Burbank. But ABC is in Burbank..... Not sure where Fox beams now and 13 is still in the same building...
Anyway I think I will go with my original idea which is to get that $19 Antenna from Monoprice and a couple of combiners to combine the DirecTV signal and the OTA single over the RG6 cable and then split it again once inside my room. If it works well, I may press my other PCTV (Hauppauge) USB tuner into service since my 650HD is PCI no the PCIe version and I really don't want to spend any more money on this thing until the end of the year.
I am testing the little antenna that came with the PCTV. UHF channels FINE. Going to invest in one of these antennas before this weekend (June 24) European GP.

Be careful combining or "diplexing" OTA signals with DIRECTV satellite ones. The off-air part of the spectrum on the coax run your attempting to diplex into may already be occupied by satellite signals depending upon your setup.

Can you describe your DIRECTV setup first?
post #8820 of 9442
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Originally Posted by HoTatII View Post

Be careful combining or "diplexing" OTA signals with DIRECTV satellite ones. The off-air part of the spectrum on the coax run your attempting to diplex into may already be occupied by satellite signals depending upon your setup.
Can you describe your DIRECTV setup first?
Is this the same for cable services (e.g., TWC) too? If so, then what's the best way to share both?
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