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post #4891 of 4953
Good riddance...it'll save us money by not paying Comcast for this market's pathetic offerings. Yes, it will inconvenient having to record sports via the PVR instead of QAM but after last night, I don't care. WAND once again has shown themselves to be a big steaming pile of elephant crap. There was absolutely NO EXCUSE for that big radar block on screen last night during the Hawks game. Chicago was getting much worse weather and WMAQ only ran a crawl 3-4 times over those 5 hours. Why not just give an update between periods and run a scroll with any urgent warnings? Even Green Bay knows that's the best way to handle it. I dare who ever makes the decisions here to go up there and try that crap during a Super Bowl the Packers were playing in. Your pink slip would be waiting for you before you left the building.

Yet again Central IL fans of Chicago teams get s__t on by the decision makers in this market who seem to have forgotten their Geography coursework. We are TWO hours south of Chicago, over THREE hours away from STL, and 2 1/2 away from Indy. The Chicago Bears/Blackhawks/Bulls/Cubs/White Sox/Fire are OUR LOCAL PRO TEAMS. Little wonder the Hawks didn't bring the cup to C-U for a few hours in 2010. Thank god for satellite and the ability to receive WBBM, WAND, WLS, WGN (local), and WFLD.
post #4892 of 4953
Sorry, but that radar block was not that big. I had no problem watching the game last night with the radar in the lower right hand corner. BTW, had nothing to do with CC, it had to do with the fact, that the storm covered the WAND viewing area, is why they kept the radar up most of the night, even after the game.
post #4893 of 4953
TL;DR version: The HD DTA box is nice. Dealing with Comcast is not.

Comcast is such a frustrating company. They can do some things right and at the same time make the experience very unpleasant.

I called the number on the clearQAM-is-going-away letter last week and ordered a DTA. I specifically told the woman on the phone I wanted an HD version, with HDMI out. She was strong to her script, agreed with me at the right places. She mailed me an SD DTA.

I decided to hop on Comcast online chat support and clarify this, because the phone conversation didn't work. They were sympathetic, but couldn't mail me the appropriate uDTA (universal - that's how they're announcing this box). My only option was to go to the local store to replace the SD one and ask for an HD DTA. 3 interactions, 3 different mediums just to process a simple request.

The Urbana took quick care of me, returning the wrong DTA and issuing me the right one. I've learned to save the yellow receipts they give you, because the returns don't always get taken off your bill - and when you call to complain about it, they put the effort on you to show your copy of the receipt (and fax it, no less). But that's another rant for another day...

I couldn't use the online comcast.com/activate website to turn on my equipment, but their automated phone system was able to kick it off. I feel like that kinda worked right.

I like the uDTA. It's small, the remote is nice. It gets almost all of my channels (way more than just what was in the clearQAM, but not the premium channels). There's no guide, but it tunes quickly and looks good. It's easier to use than my TV was for changing channels, and the numbers are consistent across Comcast (910 vs 27-1 or whatever). The remote lets you pair it to a device, locking it so it only controls the adapter its paired to (and not affect other similar ones that might be in IR/RF distance).

The email I got when they updated my account with the new hardware looks like I'm being charged $1.99/mo for the device. I'll wait a month or so to see the bill, and then complain that it should be free for a year. (Which is one of my main Comcast gripes: every single interaction seems to spawn 2-3 future ones....) Even at $2/mo, it's a pretty nice solution if you don't need the ondemand or guide stuff, and the price point is acceptable versus the $10+ they charge for the rest of their cable boxes or CableCards.
post #4894 of 4953
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

Sorry, but that radar block was not that big. I had no problem watching the game last night with the radar in the lower right hand corner. BTW, had nothing to do with CC, it had to do with the fact, that the storm covered the WAND viewing area, is why they kept the radar up most of the night, even after the game.
As it was, I believe there were still flood warnings and watch boxes up for our area, hence the radar display staying up. And, honestly, doesn't providing timely weather information during severe weather events have just a little priority over sports, even if it's game 1 (or game 7, for that matter) of the Stanley Cup and a Chicago team is in it? (Or even a Cubs World Series or Bears Super Bowl? But, at least, the Super Bowl is in February, the only likely bad weather around here would be winter storm warnings.)
post #4895 of 4953
kc9hzn, WAND covers a large viewing area. They are required by the FCC and NOAA to broadcast that bug on the screen during severe weather, along with the ticker scroll at the bottom or top. Even if during the World Series or Superbowl, there can be bad weather in our local viewing area, for the channel that is broadcasting that event. We have had Tornadoes during Winter, even major storm events at the same time the Superbowl happened. I remember when we had a bad snowstorm in Southern IL/Indiana/Kentucky, and they were broadcasting tickers and bugs on the local affiliates in that area, because their viewing area covered where the storm is.

Face it, you are never going to get around it, unless you want to pay for online only viewing, and watch through a computer connected to your hdtv or projector. Then again, people complain more these days about stuff like this, than they did twenty/thirty years ago. It is about acting like a spoiled brat, because the person is upset that severe weather, or upcoming show bug, is causing whatever show they are watching, to have part of it disturbed.
post #4896 of 4953
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Originally Posted by TimfromSpfdIL View Post

I've noticed since at least the start of the month that in Springfield, EWTN analog repeater W28BE (which has not been listed on the FCC's TV Query in recent years) has been off the air. I don't know if it's permanent or if temporary before resuming unlicensed operations (anyone know?). Either way, an opening finally now exists for receiving WYZZ (RF 28, 43 virtual) in the Springfield area.

W28BE going off the air gave me the ability to receive Fox 43 with a signal consistently in the upper 80's when I couldn't even get a lock previously. I am just northeast of Springfield and use 2 Clearstream2 antennas for UHF, reflectors removed, each pointed 90 degrees away from the other functioning as an omnidirectional.
post #4897 of 4953
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

Found out from my Sister-In-Law, that ATT is doing a huge expansion in the Champaign/Urbana/Savoy area to expand U-Verse TV and increase the Internet speed in that market, which Comcast is also seeing dropping numbers of subs using their service.

Anybody know more details about the U-Verse expansion, i.e. will they be serving SW Champaign anytime soon? I live in Cherry Hills and would love an alternative to Comcast internet, especially since UC2B seems to be going nowhere fast.
post #4898 of 4953
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

Found out from my Sister-In-Law, that ATT is doing a huge expansion in the Champaign/Urbana/Savoy area to expand U-Verse TV and increase the Internet speed in that market, which Comcast is also seeing dropping numbers of subs using their service.

Anybody know more details about the U-Verse expansion, i.e. will they be serving SW Champaign anytime soon? I live in Cherry Hills and would love an alternative to Comcast internet, especially since UC2B seems to be going nowhere fast.
Last I heard from my sister-in-law, it is supposed to be done by year end. The big push for the expansion had to do with the university finally getting ATT to move forward with it, to release the stranglehold monopoly that Comcast who used to be Insight, before that Cox Cable, etc. that has had on that area.

Now if we can only get ATT to improve their wireless coverage for cellphones, in Central Illinois, instead of leaving deadzones, and no data coverage, I would take that over the higher speeds that the nextgen U-Verse is bringing.
post #4899 of 4953
I will say this about the "bug"; Chicago had much worse weather that night and just ran a crawl every half hour at the bottom (shifting the picture up so you still could see the WHOLE broadcast video) so that statement about the FCC "bug" requirement is inaccurate. I did notice last night that they had a crawl and bug on WMAQ so yes, they actually used some common sense when it came to handling the Hawks. In today's age of iPads and smartphones as well as 3 other local channels to check in on during breaks, the whole "weather is more important than sports" argument is ridiculous. We have weatherbug installed on our phones and that is our primary "first warning" of bad weather. Short of a 9/11 or Boston-type event, leave me to relax while watching. Back to the ticker, just run it the whole darn time...just don't chop off the bottom of or obstruct the broadcast. I'm not being ridiculous either....I would much rather they shrink the broadcast and have an ESPN draft style inverted L down the right side and bottom than obstruct a broadcast game which uses the whole picture (the dump/chip and chase plays in the near corner, right side were brutal since their "bug" covered up the puck.) Also in fairness, I have had an issue/grudge with WAND for over 3 years. (Some may remember the incident where they created their own "Heidi event" by cutting away from a Notre Dame game in order to show some recorded political crap.) I called the general manager out, along with alerting ND's media relations dept. and NBC's headquarters. Unsurprisingly, he hid behind the same FCC "public service" requirement BS that some here have pointed out. Most channels air at 4am Sunday mornings rather than early Saturday evenings when the network is airing a game which NBC pays quite a bit for. I guess having someone flip a switch in the control room at 4am or competently running a ticker during bad weather is just too hard for a station which I would imagine is in one of the biggest (geographically) footprints in the country.

I have lived all over the Midwest, Mississippi, and Central Florida; this is the only market I have ever lived in which has that always on "bug" between the hours of 6:30 and 10 (7:30-11 ET.) I will say (and agree), the watch/warning rectangle was not that bothersome this past Monday night (though I dumped the better QAM WAND recording in favor of the WMAQ feed through a PVR recording from the DVR.) Like I mentioned, I still don't understand some of the thinking in this market whether it be the 3rd class "feel" of the newscasts (extremely noticeable on weekend newscasts) or the crazy mixture of what comprises this market whether it be farmers, rednecks, liberal activists, or normal & decent people. It's a case of having a footprint way too big and as a result, none of the communities get the coverage they deserve. As far as Comcast, the QAM encryption was the last straw. Uverse is coming and I am looking forward to the day that I can dump them. As far as satellite goes, I just wish that we could "stay local" but this market has shown time and time again a total disregard for the sports fans of Chicago teams.

Leaving this thread on a positive note about the TV stations, at least they cover sports besides UI....which is all the C-U News-Gazette seems to care about. Half of what they write about the local (UI) sports teams would be sent to the college paper to print at most other Big Ten communities. I remember when Urlacher retired, they gave the story very little space while giving some Fluff piece about UI the front page of sports. Glancing at the front page of yesterday's N-G, I don't think they even made mention of the Stanley Cup being won by OUR LOCAL TEAM.
post #4900 of 4953
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

Now if we can only get ATT to improve their wireless coverage for cellphones, in Central Illinois, instead of leaving deadzones, and no data coverage, I would take that over the higher speeds that the nextgen U-Verse is bringing.

I'll bite. Where are the "deadzones"? I can think of only one community around C-U with coverage issues and that's Homer. We live in another part of the county, about a mile off 74 and get 4G speeds now....LTE when they flip the switch which is supposedly going to happen later this summer/early fall.
post #4901 of 4953
They are all over ChamBana, just like here in Springfield, that 95% of the city has no coverage or little, constant dropping of calls. My mother-in-law lives just on the edge of Savoy, and I get two bars, slow data speeds, because just like here in the capital city, ATT refuses to do anything about their 3G network. Some areas we do not even get data in 99% of the city, nor able to get a call with even one bar on our handsets for those customers that have ATT.

If it was not that I would have to pay to switch to Verizon for Cellular, I would have done it a long time ago, but stuck with ATT, so I do not have to pay a large chunk of money for switching over. U-Verse we have no issues with, nor do I have any complaints with their TV or Internet service, just ATT's cellular, which has gone downhill in the past five years, and getting worse every month in this town.
post #4902 of 4953
Comcast X1 DVR service is now available in Springfield. I have a triple play level service, but I am not sure what level of service is required. I ordered it on Saturday and it was installed on Monday. One firmware update installed already dated June 4th. HD picture is much better and the equipment has worked fine since Monday. Overall I like the product better. Since I can record 4 programs at once and watch a fifth, I was able to go with the anyroom DVR with one slave, thus saving some money on my monthly charges. If you use a Harmony remote, I have found the the Pace 110 box codes work on the new X1 boxes. On the Comcast forums you can read about the pros and cons. For me I get more new features, but you do lose some old features (swap tuners is one) I missed the 30 second skip; I found out that you can reprogram the page up key to skip 30 seconds instead of 5 minutes. The process is hit the exit button 3 times and enter the code 0030; to reverse enter 0500.

It has to be professionally installed for $30. I guess the X1 equipment can be very sensitive, so installer had to make sure everything was setup correctly.
post #4903 of 4953
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Originally Posted by mbohl1 View Post

I was able to go with the anyroom DVR with one slave

Which model of slave box did you get?
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For me I get more new features, but you do lose some old features (swap tuners is one)

That sucks; I swap (live) tuners all the time, as well as putting one/both on pause
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I missed the 30 second skip; I found out that you can reprogram the page up key to skip 30 seconds instead of 5 minutes. The process is hit the exit button 3 times and enter the code 0030; to reverse enter 0500.

VERY glad to hear this; I would NEVER have a DVR that does NOT do 30 sec skip.
I've got a couple clients that are looking to switch to X1; they will (also) be happy to know this.
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It has to be professionally installed for $30. I guess the X1 equipment can be very sensitive, so installer had to make sure everything was setup correctly.

Yes, since the X1 has 5 TV tuners, it requires a higher level of signal, than other types of boxes.
On DSLR someone posted a picture of an amp the tech installed w/their X1 setup; did they put an amp in for you? (or did you already have one?)
post #4904 of 4953
Both are Pace Boxes, the slave is a RNG 150. I had a 6 port amp, but he installed 9 port amp. Another negative to the slave is that it does not do live rewind. Since Comcast seems to be updating the firmware quite regularly, I am hoping we will see new or old features added.
post #4905 of 4953
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Originally Posted by mbohl1 View Post

I had a 6 port amp, but he installed 9 port amp.

Haven't heard of a 9-port amp; it's probably 8 amp'd ports, with 1 (un-amp'd) port f/your cable/phone modem. (they typically have the signal for those bypass the amp via a (internal) splitter), as in the pic below; the bottom left port is like that)

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Another negative to the slave is that it does not do live rewind.

But by the same token, it has it's own tuner - so you have another (live) tuner to play with, in case you're using all 4 (recording) tuners in the main DVR. wink.gif
Also, there IS a workaround on this - just start recording the (live) show, then start playing it back on the slave after the recording starts.
Honestly, since I do VERY little live TV watching, I'd rather have the extra (live) tuner available...
Edited by dishrich - 6/27/13 at 4:17pm
post #4906 of 4953
8-port distro amps usually have 10 F-connectors: 8 outputs - one of which is usually power injectable, one RF input, and one dedicated power input.
Edited by ADTech - 6/28/13 at 9:57am
post #4907 of 4953
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

Comcast now has HD-DTA's available in Springfield; just picked it up tonight & posted a review here:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28301671-DTA-HD-DTA-s-are-here-in-Springfield-IL-a-review

Also, they have the new X1 Multi-room DVR on display; they have now activated 5 tuners in it, as well as the thin-client boxes.
Counter guy & phone tech support guys says they are supposed to be actually available in a couple weeks.


dishrich's prediction was right about Comcast. By June 26 I could not get the local major networks in HD anymore from the Comcast cable connection straight from the cable outlet to my HD tv's with the QAM tuners. Comcast has apparently encrpyted all the signals now. I looked into getting a strong indoor antenna for these local HD channels. The Spectrum8 SP813 indoor/outdoor for $129 appears to be the best bet as it also has connections for four tv's. I would think it would work as I was able to get my 30 year old one foot sqaure UHF antenna to work in my garage 8 feet up from the floor but I don't know for sure. I looked at getting Direct TV, as its cheapest channel lineup was very good except no Big 10 network. That cost $5 more for the second level. The second level did not have the golf channel. The third level has the golf channel for another $5. Secondly, if you get one HD receiver, you have to get all HD receivers. Direct TV's price was $10 for the first HD receiver and $6 for my second and $6 for my third receiver. I went to Comcast's office in Springfield to see what they had to offer. As many of you know, they have new equipment and apparently new prices. Comcast told me I could trade my digital receiver in for a HD receiver for an additional $10/month and trade one of my digtail adapter (DTA) in for a HD adapter(uDTA) at no additional cost. That is what I did while keeping my second DTA for my analog tv. The manual for the new uDTA infers that Comcast will be phasing out the old DTA's.

I hooked up my uDTA to my 2012 Sony HD LED tv. I connected the HD output of the uDTA to the HDMI input of the tv and the coax output of the uDTA to a DVD recorder. The uDTA worked great. The HD channels were good. The non HD channels were pretty good. You can still channel surf the non HD channels as fast as with the old DTA. The Sony indicator shows that all channels are HD which is not true. I was able to record the SD(non HD) and HD channels with VHS tape and DVD discs. The bad thing is there is no favorite list to surf with but I can live with that.

I hooked up my HD receiver to my 2007 Panasonic HD plasma tv. I connected the HD output of the HD receiver to the HDMI input of the tv and the coax output of the HD receiver to an up-convert DVD recorder. The HD channels were good and the SD channels were pretty good. Channel surfing the SD channels is slower with the HD receiver than with the uDTA. The Panasonic indicator showed correctly which channels were in HD and the SD(480i)ones that were not. The favorite list with the HD receiver is handy. The bad thing with the HD receiver was that I was unable to record any channels, SD or HD ,with the up-convert DVD recoder in DVD disc format. A message would appear on the secreen saying the copyrighted material could not be recorded. I DID NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH RECORDING NON HD CHANNELS WITH MY COMCAST DIGITAL RECEIVER. I tried connecting the L,R,and video outputs of the HD receiver to the input connections of the DVD recorder but I got no picture at all. When I try to record with VHS tape, the picture image had slight lines through it. I believe the inability to record non HD channels with my DVD recorder in disc format or VHS tape clearly is because of the HD receiver not my DVD recorder.

1. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I can still record non HD chanels with my up-convert DVD recorder with Comcast's HD receiver? I think one possibility would be to trade the HD reciever in for a uDTA but I 'm not sure that would work and I am not sure I want to give that HD receiver up while stilling paying the extra $10 a month.

2. Would I have the same recording problem if I had a Direct TV HD receiver?
post #4908 of 4953
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

They are all over ChamBana, just like here in Springfield, that 95% of the city has no coverage or little, constant dropping of calls. My mother-in-law lives just on the edge of Savoy, and I get two bars, slow data speeds, because just like here in the capital city, ATT refuses to do anything about their 3G network. Some areas we do not even get data in 99% of the city, nor able to get a call with even one bar on our handsets for those customers that have ATT.

If it was not that I would have to pay to switch to Verizon for Cellular, I would have done it a long time ago, but stuck with ATT, so I do not have to pay a large chunk of money for switching over. U-Verse we have no issues with, nor do I have any complaints with their TV or Internet service, just ATT's cellular, which has gone downhill in the past five years, and getting worse every month in this town.

We live close to the towers along I-74 so we get a fairly solid 4G signal from AT&T. We should get LTE but I'm not looking forward to the battery drain which is associated with it. There used to be a deadspot on the curve just past the University exit going eastbound...almost every call would drop. I've never had a problem while on Windsor, in the Savoy cinema, and north of I-74 on Neil & Prospect. I USED to have issues before upgrading to the OneX last May. I suspect the carriers are concentrating on faster data speeds as that also means people will reach and go over their data plans more quickly. The T-Mobile deal wasn't about the customers but rather T-Mobile's towers/spectrum.
post #4909 of 4953
Just because there are cell towers near your home or work, does not mean that they are the ones that your carrier is on. There is actually a Heat map you can go to, that will show your actual coverage for where you are. As for upping the speeds so that people can reach their limits, you need to quit drinking that kool-aid msajeff, and tighten that Tinfoil a little tighter.

And yes, the T-Mobile acquisition was about towers and spectrum, they have always been that way. To let you in on a little secret, ATT has been using T-Mobile's towers in a lot of markets for well over twelve years now, in those areas they could not get leasing rights to add their own antennas and radios on tower space.
post #4910 of 4953
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

Just because there are cell towers near your home or work, does not mean that they are the ones that your carrier is on. There is actually a Heat map you can go to, that will show your actual coverage for where you are. As for upping the speeds so that people can reach their limits, you need to quit drinking that kool-aid msajeff, and tighten that Tinfoil a little tighter.

I am well aware of the coverage maps which I have been using since the Cingular days. As for your snide little remark... Video/music streaming have only become practical in the past few years and suck up a HUGE amount of data. AT&T dumped unlimited plans as they saw the trend and decided to charge via a metered scheme. The current plan for those "connected" users is just $5 short of the unlimited pricing. If you are as stupid as most are with the "mobile game" and think the data bucket was/is a good idea, crunch the numbers and it shows that unless you're a family who has 3 phones and 3 tablets on an account, the per device data charge for the economical plan is ridiculously small and essentially where it stands without bucketing the data.

The fact that you can't understand how a faster network allows users to burn their minutes quickly shows that you need to pull your head out of the sand. It's like this new phone program. On the surface it looks good and the AT&T people will likely be pushing it more and more. Do the math and you see that the monthly charge for just the phone over 24 months is more than the no commitment (i.e. non-subsidized) pricing. One more scheme by a company which was great as Bell South, slightly worse with Cingular, and now these schemes by AT&T. I'd like to know how many politician's they hand to line for the government ignored anti-trust issues. (Of course nothing close the what they were likely paid in order to drop opposition to the Comcast/Universal deal.)
post #4911 of 4953
I live in Chatham, IL. I have blast internet and basic cable with Comcast because the package lowers my internet bill. Mostly I watch over the air TV with the DVR Pal from Dish and Channel Master. I have one of each in 2 different rooms. I have the C4 Clearstream antenna from Antennas Direct in my attic and get all the Springfield and Decatur over the air channels in very well. But since I have the local cable package it enabled me to get WGN America. WILL-TV and WEIU that I could not get over the air. They gave me a basic SD cable box when I signed up with this package a couple years ago that I never used and so returned it because it is not HD. I have no use for Comcast programming that is not HD. I had the Comcast cable going directly to my HD TV with QAM. That way I did get the cable channels in HD.

But now that Comcast has scrambled the local channels I thought I could get a free HD digital adapter for 2 years and then 2 dollars a month after that. So I went to the Springfield Comcast office and the lady told me it would be an extra $10 a month in order to get an HD digital adapter and I told her that was more than I wanted to pay for something I do not need when I usually just watch the DVR Pal and walked away. Does anyone know if I was told the correct thing.
post #4912 of 4953
Yes, they will charge you if you are an existing customer, unless you tell them that you are looking at going with Direct or Dish, then they may sweeten the deal, with a discount of the cost for rental as a credit on your bill. Call their 800# for Comcast and tell the AVRS (Automated Voice Response System) Retention's or Cancel, and it will transfer you to the proper department.

The bad thing with Chatham, is you are stuck with the monopoly known as Comcast, and do not have the choice of Mediacom, ATT U-Verse, Cass Cable, but you do have the choice for Direct or Dish, and they can usually sweeten their deals pretty good.
post #4913 of 4953
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Originally Posted by bmarchand View Post

But now that Comcast has scrambled the local channels I thought I could get a free HD digital adapter for 2 years and then 2 dollars a month after that. So I went to the Springfield Comcast office and the lady told me it would be an extra $10 a month in order to get an HD digital adapter and I told her that was more than I wanted to pay for something I do not need when I usually just watch the DVR Pal and walked away. Does anyone know if I was told the correct thing.

It depends...is the TV pkg that comes with your internet actually "limited basic", or "digital economy"???

If you are on limited basic, it is NOT correct at all; limited basic subs can actually get up to 3 HD DTA's FREE - with NO HD enabling fee needed.

If you are on digital economy, then unfortunately, you have to pay the $10 HD fee to get any HD DTA's. HOWEVER, subs on limited basic, family & digital economy tiers all can get up to 3 HD DTA's FREE; expanded basic & above subs have to now pay $2 for ALL DTA's. now. (they NO longer get the 2 freebies)
The fact that you told us that they gave you an SD cable box, tells my that you're actually on Digital Economy, which normally comes with 1 FREE SD full box. (look at your bill for the actual pkg name...)

If you look on the last pricing sheet CC sent out earlier this year, it even tells you all this. (although it can be cryptic...)
See where I told this person the very same thing (on limited basic) & he got the problem resolved:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28461585-
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it enabled me to get WGN America. WILL-TV and WEIU that I could not get over the air.

You actually SHOULD be able to get WILL down in Chatham, even in the attic; the reason why you can't, is because the antenna you're using is ONLY meant for UHF, & WILL is on (physical) ch. 9. If you put in a V/U antenna, you should be able to get it; I've done a couple attic antennas for clients down in Chatham & had no trouble pulling it in, w/out even needing a pre-amp.
Unfortunately, WEIU is simply too far away to pull in OTA up here...
Edited by dishrich - 7/24/13 at 7:46am
post #4914 of 4953
Thanks for the replies. I looked at my bill and it says "Includes Blast! Internet Service and Limited
Basic With Digital Converter, Streampix.

So I guess since it says digital converter I would have to pay $10 extra for the HD digital converter? I did not know I had Streampix is or what it was. I just looked it up and even though it says I have it when I try to watch something it says I have to pay an extra $4.99 a month.

As far as receiving WILL-DT goes it gets a bit complicated to explain as I have tried to get it in before. In my attic I also have an Antennacraft FM6 antenna and it is combined with the C4 into the wall outlets. I have the FM6 pointed towards the WILL tower and this allows me to receive the HD sub-channels from WILL-FM with my Sony XDR-F1HD radio when I split the signal out of the wall. I like classical music. I also get WUIS HD2 in perfect for classical music so WILL HD2 is not really needed. The FM6 is also helping pick up WCIX which is VHF on channel 13 although I could also get it with the C4. With this setup I usually do not get WILL-DT in so I did not have it saved on the channel list but I just checked now and WILL-DT is coming in with a signal strength of 58 on the DVR Pal. Maybe WILL-DT comes in some summer nights.

Before I got married I bought an Antennacraft Y10713 which is long and put it in a spare bedroom I did not use pointing towards WILL-DT and it came in. But after getting married that would not work to have a room just devoted for antennas so I tried moving it to the attic and it did not work with a consistent signal. The attic ceiling whole is small and it is hard to get the FM6 to fit let alone the Y10713. That is when I decided to forget about the Y10713 and just combine the C4 with the FM6 for FM radio reception. I rent in an apartment complex so I never considered an outside antenna. I do wish WILL-DT would come in better year round.
Edited by bmarchand - 7/24/13 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by bmarchand View Post

Thanks for the replies. I looked at my bill and it says "Includes Blast! Internet Service and Limited
Basic With Digital Converter, Streampix.

So I guess since it says digital converter I would have to pay $10 extra for the HD digital converter?

Not totally correct; if you looked at the last pricing sheet, & since you are on limited basic, you actually could get an HD converter for ONLY $2.50/month - with NO (separate) HD fee. But by the same token, since you ARE on the limited basic tier, you ARE eligible for the FREE HD-DTA's. (up to 3 actually) You guys on limited basic actually get a BETTER deal on DTA's/converters - than others that are on expanded basic pkgs & above. mad.gif

Your best bet would be to go out to the local office & talk to one of the counter folks to get (either) one. It wouldn't hurt if you took that pricing sheet with you, that shows the part where it specifically says "HD fee not available w/limited basic"... wink.gif
post #4916 of 4953
Dishrich you have it backwards. WEUI they will pick up, WILL is too far away and does not have a repeater anywhere in this area, that it allows for reception of that PBS channel.

WEUI repeater is so close to Chatham, they would pick it up with a indoor antenna on top of their tv cabinet.
post #4917 of 4953
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

Dishrich you have it backwards. WEUI they will pick up, WILL is too far away and does not have a repeater anywhere in this area, that it allows for reception of that PBS channel.

WEUI repeater is so close to Chatham, they would pick it up with a indoor antenna on top of their tv cabinet.

No Greg, YOU have it backwards (again)...

Straight from the FCC database:
WEIU:
https://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml%3Fgmap%3D2%26appid%3D1125502%26call%3DWEIU-TV%26freq%3D0.0%26contour%3D41%26city%3DCHARLESTON%26state%3DIL.kml

WILL:
https://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml%3Fgmap%3D2%26appid%3D1115235%26call%3DWILL-TV%26freq%3D0.0%26contour%3D36%26city%3DURBANA%26state%3DIL.kml

WSEC:
https://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml%3Fgmap%3D2%26appid%3D695158%26call%3DWSEC%26freq%3D0.0%26contour%3D41%26city%3DJACKSONVILLE%26state%3DIL.kml

(FYI, except for the crappy ch 8 analog repeater f/WSEC in Spfld, none of these stations have "repeaters")

Sorry, but I have many clients (& myself) that pickup WILL-DT just fine - BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE CORRECT ANTENNA TO DO SO! And a UHF-ONLY one is NOT going to cut it, as I already explained.
Also in some cases, putting it in the attic may NOT provide consistent reception, either. Totally depends on many factors - but IS doable in some attics.
Edited by dishrich - 7/25/13 at 2:34pm
post #4918 of 4953
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

No Greg, YOU have it backwards (again)...

Straight from the FCC database:
WEIU:
https://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml%3Fgmap%3D2%26appid%3D1125502%26call%3DWEIU-TV%26freq%3D0.0%26contour%3D41%26city%3DCHARLESTON%26state%3DIL.kml

WILL:
https://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml%3Fgmap%3D2%26appid%3D1115235%26call%3DWILL-TV%26freq%3D0.0%26contour%3D36%26city%3DURBANA%26state%3DIL.kml

WSEC:
https://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml%3Fgmap%3D2%26appid%3D695158%26call%3DWSEC%26freq%3D0.0%26contour%3D41%26city%3DJACKSONVILLE%26state%3DIL.kml

(FYI, except for the crappy ch 8 analog repeater f/WSEC in Spfld, none of these stations have "repeaters")

Sorry, but I have many clients (& myself) that pickup WILL-DT just fine - BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE CORRECT ANTENNA TO DO SO! And a UHF-ONLY one is NOT going to cut it, as I already explained.
Also in some cases, putting it in the attic may NOT provide consistent reception, either. Totally depends on many factors - but IS doable in some attics.
Dishrich, you should stop while you are behind. The only way to pick up WILl is either through catv, satellite, U-Verse, or a fery large and high enough antenna.

Again, no one is going to pick up WILL with a off the shelf VHF antenna or indoor antenna no matter what you believe.

Personally you spend way too much time on these forums, and at times i think that you just tend to see the forest for the trees.

Go look at tvfool.com and put in any address in Springfield, Chatham, etc in Central Sangamon Co, and have it draw. line from that address to the various towers.

You will find that WILL does not have a repeater anywhere in this county.

You can pick up WEUI in the Northern part of the county by Salisbury, you can pick up WSEC anywhere in the county, but you will not again pick up WILL, unless you have a high gain Pre-amp, the antenna is at least a min. 50' in the air, and it is at least no smaller than 120". BTW, go look at the actual output power of the three mentioned. You may be very surprised where WILL shows up on the list.
Edited by gregzoll - 7/25/13 at 3:39pm
post #4919 of 4953
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

Dishrich, you should stop while uou are behind.

Funny, I was thinking the same about you...
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Again, no one is going to pick up WILL with a off the shelf VHF antenna or indoor antenna no matter what you believe.

Well since I've only been doing it for over 25+ years, there's nothing TO believe - I've done it many a time - before AND after the digital transition!
And where did I EVER say about picking up WILL with an "indoor antenna"?
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Personally you spend way too much time on these forums, and at times i think that you just tend to see the forest for the trees.

Well (OBVIOUSLY) you do too - matter of fact, I see you spouting off in several of the forms on this board alone - while I stick to ONE here.
Problem is, all you do is spew FUD on stuff that you don't have a friggen clue about!
Not to mention, all you do is hurdle insults at many others on this board - ESPECIALLY if they say ANYTHING bad about your precious U-verse service. rolleyes.gif

And as I recall, you didn't have a problem asking me for my advice back on March 2 of this year - especially since you DO know EVERYTHING about this stuff:


Original message sent by gregzoll on 3/2/13 at 10:47pm
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I am having no luck in finding any info on how to build your own Jointenna, since Channel Master no longer manufactures them now. Any idea where I could find one to block VHF channel 13, since I do receive it around the low 70's on the DB8 UHF antenna. Otherwise, would have to figure out a way to do a a/b with remote switching if I go with a separate VHF for just the upper VHF frequencies.

Original message sent by dishrich on 3/3/13 at 4:48pm
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Well first, ch 13 (ie: the VHF signal(s)) do NOT have to be totally "blocked" from the UHF antenna for proper operation...that being said, the simplest (& cheapest) way to combine both antennas would be with a simple V/U combiner such as this: (there are other brands like this still made; but Winegard appears to have quit making them...)

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=uvsj&d=pico-macom-uvsj-uhf-vhf-band-separator/combiner-for-antenna-%28uvsj%29&utm_campaign=base&utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_base

This being said above, you actually would probably find using a good quality, 2-way antenna splitter backwards, to combine both antennas to your pre-amp, would work just fine. Since both antennas will be pointed in the same, basic direction, it shouldn't be an issue.

Other ways that I have done this over the years:
- using pre-amp w/separate V/U inputs; Winegard still makes these:
http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/chart29.pdf

- using a UHF antenna that has a built-in VHF coupler, such as the Winegard UHF Yagi's, which all have these: (this is how I'm doing it at an old house)
http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/1450173.pdf
http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/1450199.pdf

Original message sent by gregzoll on 3/4/13 at 8:53pm
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At least that would be a cheaper option than going with Tin Lee's CF7W-UHF for $110.00. I was looking at the Pico Macom as an option. I Have the UHF pointed right now at 79 degrees, which still brings 49.x in at the low to mid 60's. I am going to see what happens when I throw up the VHF and maybe add in the Pico if I see issues.

Original message sent by gregzoll on 3/7/13 at 9:05pm
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Got the VHF up and running. Picked up a UHF/VHF combiner/splitter at the Ratshack on MacArthur, of course for the scalp overprice, they sell them for. Picking up everything in the 90's, and actually grabbed 31.x tonight. Only bad thing is, I never planned on the VHF antenna, and have a support 1x4 for the roof to ceiling joists, just at the point the antenna points towards the tower for 49.x.

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Go look at tvfool.com and put in any address in Springfield, Chatham, etc in Central Sangamon Co, and have it draw. line from that address to the various towers.

You will find that WILL does not have a repeater anywhere in this county.

I don't give a rat's ass about fool(s) - & WHY do you keep bringing up this repeater crap, & what DOES it have to do with the price of eggs???
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You can pick up WEUI in the Northern part of the county by Salisbury,

OK, then show us the FCC link for this "alleged repeater" then...
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you can pick up WSEC anywhere in the county, but you will not again pick up WILL, unless you have a high gain Pre-amp, the antenna is at least a min. 50' in the air, and it is at least no smaller than 120".

Yep, there's that forest you're seeing again

Whatever, it doesn't matter anymore; one thing I will agree with you on - TOTAL waste of time dealing with YOUR sorry ass.
Going to watch my imaginary WILL-DT on my imaginary OTA antenna...ignore on & peace out. tongue.gif
post #4920 of 4953
Dishrich, I do not spend nearly as much time on this forum, nor do I belittle others, or walk all over them like they are dirt on the ground as you do. You really need to take yourself out of that Ivory tower and bring yourself to everyone else's level, because you are no different than anyone else on here, no matter what that chip on your shoulder thinks.

BTW, to let you know, I have been around antennas for TV, Radio since I could walk, so that puts it around 45 years that I would be next to my father doing stuff like electronics, and as soon as I could understand what he was doing with tv & radio antennas, which was when I was five, that makes it 41 years that I have known how to do this stuff, how to figure if a person is going to get a signal or not, if the equipment is going to work for them, and not once do I look at them as if they are below me, or belittle them as much as you do.

Just so you get a better idea how this works, you may want to look at the info at http://transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/dtvmaps/ As for the fool, looks like you just made yourself one Dishrich by acting like one in public.
Edited by gregzoll - 7/25/13 at 6:51pm
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