|Originally posted by chrispy
Never before has a post struck me as so intensely ego-centric, unscientific, and disconnected from reality, all at the same time. Ken, I think you need to take some vacation time and get your feet back on the ground. Alexander, I hope you get your money back.
Don't draw conclusions from a few simple words. :)
Who ever said science means anything. I've personally not ever thought much of it. I accept its usefulness with respect to where things in this world are today. But things always change. We all evolve in our own way.
If scientific principle, method, and direction fail to go where you need it to go, or cannot reach into a given space, then it simply follows that it is time to leave it behind on the cutting room floor. Even scientific analysis will tell you that.
A very simple premise and point of understanding here: If one explores beyond th realm of scientific method, principle and exploration, then one will find things that science does not know or understand. Thank the Gods for that.
A basic point of existence, is that Science does not purport to 'get it all'. To find things that are 'unknown', then one HAS to step outside the realm of science, or where science has never gone. And whatever that particular thing may be, if it is even describable at all...you try to put 'labels' on it, so the folks who need labels may 'get it'. However, many times things defy labels. That is a good thing. Some things should remain 'without words'. Thankfully this happens. And when you look in these areas of existence, you may find them for yourself as well, and when you do, maybe you will find they also defy description, or cannot be explained. If one cannot step into uncharted areas, don't blame another for that.
Simple, isn't it?
Einstein, Tesla, James, Bohr, Heisenberg, Jung, BL Whorf, etc.. all knew this. They merely had to bow to the logically based escapism that was pressed upon them by peers and groups that could not see different. As for Einstein, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when I finally read his work. He missed the point in the math. Too bad, he was so close. He was a kind hearted thinking mystic of the highest order.
Here., a quote about that crew mentioned, from a book I was looking at as this was being typed up:
"They were mystics. That is my word. They would not use such language, but they knew it. They feared that their careers might become contaminated by association with those that did not work within the scientific model, but in the depths of their own thoughts they each saw much too much to be limited by the five senses..and they were not. Their work contributes not only to the evolution of psychology, linguistics, and physics, but also to the evolution of those who read them. they have the capability to change those who touch them in ways that cannot be expressed directly in the terms of psychology,or linguistics, or physics. "
The edges and areas fully outside of science, is where the action is, not in the nuts, bolts, or textbooks. Exploration is the ONLY place ANY work is truly done in science, with respects to new things. "Fringe Related Phenomena" -that is fully unexplained- is the ONLY place to look for the signs of this. There is no other. For example, there has never, ever been such a bizarre pile of rubbish as is the idea of 'chemical science. what a freaking joke. all the freaking constants are 'fudge factors' due to the fact that not a single person has even the slightest clue as to what is actually going on. They just don't get it. And then, they raise another generation, by teaching them out of those textbooks. Only the rebels who are stoned to death, actually create something new.
Such is life. Or lack of it.