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post #1291 of 1416
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Originally Posted by kspeters View Post

I am having the same issue. I no longer am getting a signal for KSFY. Any ideas?

As of 11:59pm on 2/17, KSFY not only shut off their analog signal on VHF channel 13, but they also shut off their digital signal on UHF channel 29. They then began to broadcast their digital signal on VHF channel 13. This means that everyone who was receiving KSFY over the air had to perform a channel scan to begin picking it up again. I had no problem picking it up after the switch, so I'm not sure why your receiver is having trouble.

KTTW had been broadcasting their digital signal on VHF channel 7 all along, so no rescan was needed after they shut off their analog signal on UHF channel 17.

Hope this helps!
post #1292 of 1416
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Originally Posted by kesslerm View Post

Just wondering if anyone else is having trouble getting KSFY-DT since the frequency change. I have 2 Dish boxes that do not see it with a scan or tuning to RF 29. They picked up the KTTW-DT switch fine. Never had trouble with KSFY-DT before. Really puzzled on what the trouble would be.

Try deleting the old entry for KSFY from your dish receiver, then rescanning.
If that don't work delete all entries then rescan.
post #1293 of 1416
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Originally Posted by kspeters View Post

I am having the same issue. I no longer am getting a signal for KSFY. Any ideas?

KSFY is now transmitting on real channel 13 instead of 29 after the switch. Since this is a VHF frequency you may need to readjust your antenna, or rescan since the real frequency has changed.
post #1294 of 1416
Like other have said ...

KSFY - KCAU for sure have gone to their old frequencies so KSFY is on 13 and KCAU is on 9. I was looking for LOST Wednesday night and thinking, "Where in the heck did both my ABC channels go?"

I don't think any others have moved on Tuesday. The only two that I am aware of that are going to move are KELO from 32 back to 11 and KWSD from 51 back to 36. Not sure when.

You may have also noticed that KTTW FOX is now on channel 7-1 - the frequency they have been broadcasting as the old 17-1. My wife was punching in 17.1 wondering why she couldn't get "Idol" the other night.
post #1295 of 1416
Anyone else having trouble getting KCAU since the switchover? I used to get it clean, now I get nothing. I get all the others. Do I just rescan? Thoughts?
post #1296 of 1416
A rescan should do the trick. I had problems with my H20 recievers got them to work now.
post #1297 of 1416
question: are all sioux city stations (KTIV,KCAU, KMEG, KSIN,KPTH speciafically) at full power and or when are they going to be?
post #1298 of 1416
When KSFY went digital they changed RF channels. They were on 29 and now they are on 13. I had to rescan to pick it up, might try that.
post #1299 of 1416
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Originally Posted by Bubba91 View Post

question: are all sioux city stations (KTIV,KCAU, KMEG, KSIN,KPTH speciafically) at full power and or when are they going to be?

I can get all 5 you mention 68 miles away in Sioux Falls so I would think they are at full power. A straight line between Carroll and Hinton, where the towers are, must be about 80 miles. You might need a mast above the trees to get anything digital.

Try this link http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=821480

It will plot a 3D map and give you signal strength at your location based on terrain.
post #1300 of 1416
Here is an example of a KCAU coverage map. As you can see Carroll is on the fringe of the coverage.
LL
post #1301 of 1416
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Originally Posted by BVfan View Post

I can get all 5 you mention 68 miles away in Sioux Falls so I would think they are at full power. A straight line between Carroll and Hinton, where the towers are, must be about 80 miles. You might need a mast above the trees to get anything digital.

Try this link http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=821480

It will plot a 3D map and give you signal strength at your location based on terrain.

i have about a winegard 7084 antenna on a 5 foot mast right now and a tree nearby but think i should go to 10 foot mast?
post #1302 of 1416
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Originally Posted by Bubba91 View Post

i have about a winegard 7082 antenna on a 5 foot mast right now and a tree nearby but think i should go to 10 foot mast?

I looked at a 3D map and you have some hills that are 200 ft higher than Carroll looking NW to the SC towers. You would need an extremely tall mast to get Line of Sight to the towers.

If you happened to live on a hill around Carroll, you might pick something up.

Go to tvfool.com and put in your exact address and how high your antenna is above the ground. If it shows the SC stations shaded grey, they will be very hard to pick up.

I've attached a plot for the center of the town.

Can you get Des Moines digital?
LL
post #1303 of 1416
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Originally Posted by BVfan View Post

I looked at a 3D map and you have some hills that are 200 ft higher than Carroll looking NW to the SC towers. You would need an extremely tall mast to get Line of Sight to the towers.

If you happened to live on a hill around Carroll, you might pick something up.

Go to tvfool.com and put in your exact address and how high your antenna is above the ground. If it shows the SC stations shaded grey, they will be very hard to pick up.

I've attached a plot for the center of the town.

Can you get Des Moines digital?

yes i can get des Moines i was just trying to get something diffrenet. I attached my results (my exact address) from tvfool so not sure.
LL
post #1304 of 1416
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Originally Posted by Bubba91 View Post

yes i can get des Moines i was just trying to get something diffrenet. I attached my results (my exact address) from tvfool so not sure.

If you look at the Path column on the tvfool read out, LOS means line of sight, which is obviously the best. You then have 1 Edge and 2 Edge. You could maybe get a channel that is a 1 or 2 Edge some of the time with your Winegard antenna.

Looks like KCAU would be your best bet. If you can get any digital signal at all from SC stations, you might try a preamp to boost the signal more. That will be around $50 and I have no experience with them. Maybe others on here do.
post #1305 of 1416
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Originally Posted by BVfan View Post

If you look at the Path column on the tvfool read out, LOS means line of sight, which is obviously the best. You then have 1 Edge and 2 Edge. You could maybe get a channel that is a 1 or 2 Edge some of the time with your Winegard antenna.

Looks like KCAU would be your best bet. If you can get any digital signal at all from SC stations, you might try a preamp to boost the signal more. That will be around $50 and I have no experience with them. Maybe others on here do.

well sorry forgot to mention i do have a pre amp Winegard AP8700 Chromstar 2000 Series VHF/UHF Pre Amplifier (AP-8700), but KCAU was good tonight, but not good was KTIV really pixelating, kpth had pixelating, KMEG was skipping a bit, but somewhat watchable as was KSIN.

What is edge 1 and edge 2? sorry i am fairly new to this digital tv stuff.
By the way i have google earth how do you find the hills like you were saying BVFAN?
post #1306 of 1416
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Originally Posted by Bubba91 View Post

well sorry forgot to mention i do have a pre amp Winegard AP8700 Chromstar 2000 Series VHF/UHF Pre Amplifier (AP-8700), but KCAU was good tonight, but not good was KTIV really pixelating, kpth had pixelating, KMEG was skipping a bit, but somewhat watchable as was KSIN.

What is edge 1 and edge 2? sorry i am fairly new to this digital tv stuff.
By the way i have google earth how do you find the hills like you were saying BVFAN?

I'm sure someone with a better grasps of wavelengths, diffraction etc than I will correct me and explain this better than I can so.. my understanding is that when the tvfool plot shows 1 edge or 2 edge diffraction that means that you do not have LOS (line of sight) to the transmitter and the way the signal reaches you is by bending (diffracting) through the atmosphere.

The tvfool site has transmitter plots you can download and then import into Google Earth. Go to coverage maps on the site and find Sioux City. So you could download both SC and DesMoines to see terrain and how it affects your signal. Google Earth also gives you ground level altitude readouts. I just went on a straight line from Carroll to SC to see than Carroll is at 1,250 ft and there are hills at about 1,450 ft just NW towards SC.

i have attached a 3D plot of KCAU from Carroll looking straight at the SC transmitters. The purple color means you are at the edge of reception. It is better to be in the cyan range. The green is just the earth and no reception.

This is the same plot I attached before only looking at it from closer to Earth and rotating the horizion.
LL
post #1307 of 1416
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Originally Posted by BVfan View Post

I'm sure someone with a better grasps of wavelengths, diffraction etc than I will correct me and explain this better than I can so.. my understanding is that when the tvfool plot shows 1 edge or 2 edge diffraction that means that you do not have LOS (line of sight) to the transmitter and the way the signal reaches you is by bending (diffracting) through the atmosphere.

The tvfool site has transmitter plots you can download and then import into Google Earth. Go to coverage maps on the site and find Sioux City. So you could download both SC and DesMoines to see terrain and how it affects your signal. Google Earth also gives you ground level altitude readouts. I just went on a straight line from Carroll to SC to see than Carroll is at 1,250 ft and there are hills at about 1,450 ft just NW towards SC.

i have attached a 3D plot of KCAU from Carroll looking straight at the SC transmitters. The purple color means you are at the edge of reception. It is better to be in the cyan range. The green is just the earth and no reception.

This is the same plot I attached before only looking at it from closer to Earth and rotating the horizion.

well would i have any better luck with a deepest fringe CM-3671 HDTV DEEP FRINGE antenna? or can i stack with a db8 antenna?
post #1308 of 1416
actually made a small tweak in the direction and woohoo i get sioux city tv now every channel..
post #1309 of 1416
I am TOTALLY new to all of the OTA stuff, as I've always had DirectTV (since 1995.) However, we may soon be moving to Orange City or Le Mars, and I see that DTV does not offer locals. OK, switch to Dish perhaps? They carry the Sioux City locals in HD - except for NBC (KTIV?) Why they could have the other Sioux City locals in HD but not NBC is baffling.

Anyway - was thinking maybe I could still go with Dish and their HD DVR, as it has OTA capability, and hopefully I'd be able to get the Sioux City NBC HD feed with a set-top antenna (and hopefully the Dish HD DVR will recognize it and provide guide data, etc.)

Can anyone here let me know what the odds are of getting the NBC HD feed from Sioux City in Orange City or Le Mars? With a set-top antenna? Sorry for such a newbie question, but I am when it comes to this stuff.
post #1310 of 1416
I'm surprised that Dish don't NBC. Maybe they will have KDLT out of Sioux Falls. I know I can get it where I live in SD on Dish. As for getting it on a antenna, you may have to get an outside one. I can get KTIV from about a little over 120 miles but have a 50 Ft tower and the pole stands another 8 Ft above that with a UHF/VHF antenna on it. Have a Ham5 rotator to turn it.
post #1311 of 1416
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Originally Posted by jefflackey View Post

I am TOTALLY new to all of the OTA stuff, as I've always had DirectTV (since 1995.) However, we may soon be moving to Orange City or Le Mars, and I see that DTV does not offer locals. OK, switch to Dish perhaps? They carry the Sioux City locals in HD - except for NBC (KTIV?) Why they could have the other Sioux City locals in HD but not NBC is baffling.

Anyway - was thinking maybe I could still go with Dish and their HD DVR, as it has OTA capability, and hopefully I'd be able to get the Sioux City NBC HD feed with a set-top antenna (and hopefully the Dish HD DVR will recognize it and provide guide data, etc.)

Can anyone here let me know what the odds are of getting the NBC HD feed from Sioux City in Orange City or Le Mars? With a set-top antenna? Sorry for such a newbie question, but I am when it comes to this stuff.

Hi Jeff,

I live near there and you will not have a problem getting all locals from Sioux City or Sioux Falls. You will just have to get the correct hardware. In regards to DISH I don't know much about the locals. I have Directv and really like it's GUI a lot better than DISH's.

Ben
post #1312 of 1416
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Originally Posted by Ben L C View Post

Hi Jeff,

I live near there and you will not have a problem getting all locals from Sioux City or Sioux Falls. You will just have to get the correct hardware. In regards to DISH I don't know much about the locals. I have Directv and really like it's GUI a lot better than DISH's.

Ben

Yeah, I'd prefer to just keep DirecTV, since we've had them since 1995 and we'd like to just keep using what we've got. Can't figure out why they can't/won't send us the Sioux City locals, it's only a little over 40 miles away (they show no locals at all available for those zip codes.)
post #1313 of 1416
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Originally Posted by jefflackey View Post

I am TOTALLY new to all of the OTA stuff, as I've always had DirectTV (since 1995.) However, we may soon be moving to Orange City or Le Mars, and I see that DTV does not offer locals. OK, switch to Dish perhaps? They carry the Sioux City locals in HD - except for NBC (KTIV?) Why they could have the other Sioux City locals in HD but not NBC is baffling.

Anyway - was thinking maybe I could still go with Dish and their HD DVR, as it has OTA capability, and hopefully I'd be able to get the Sioux City NBC HD feed with a set-top antenna (and hopefully the Dish HD DVR will recognize it and provide guide data, etc.)

Can anyone here let me know what the odds are of getting the NBC HD feed from Sioux City in Orange City or Le Mars? With a set-top antenna? Sorry for such a newbie question, but I am when it comes to this stuff.

I have Dish (have been a sub for 4-5 years now) and we have always gotten Sioux City locals here in Sioux Center. The only time we had any issues was when KCAU and Dish got into shoving match over carriage a year or so ago. We have KTIV on our dish just fine. Now, we don't have HD (last I knew Dish didn't have Sioux City HD yet) but I haven't checked that for a while.

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I just checked - the Dish website says Sioux City locals in HD are up, but I can't get any more information about which networks. I *do* know that KTIV is still running the "night-light" channel on VHF 4, with their digital signal on UHF 41. I don't recall if they are going back to VHF 4 when they turn off that night-light channel or not. That shouldn't make much of a difference though.
post #1314 of 1416
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Originally Posted by Curtisp View Post

I have Dish (have been a sub for 4-5 years now) and we have always gotten Sioux City locals here in Sioux Center. The only time we had any issues was when KCAU and Dish got into shoving match over carriage a year or so ago. We have KTIV on our dish just fine. Now, we don't have HD (last I knew Dish didn't have Sioux City HD yet) but I haven't checked that for a while.

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I just checked - the Dish website says Sioux City locals in HD are up, but I can't get any more information about which networks. I *do* know that KTIV is still running the "night-light" channel on VHF 4, with their digital signal on UHF 41. I don't recall if they are going back to VHF 4 when they turn off that night-light channel or not. That shouldn't make much of a difference though.

It appears that DISH carries all the Sioux City local networks in HD except for the NBC affiliate:

* Station
* Local Channel Number
* Dish Channel Number
* SIOUX CITY ABC-KCAU
* 9
* 7190
* SIOUX CITY CBS-KMEG
* 14
* 7191
* SIOUX CITY FOX-KPTH
* 44
* 7193
* SIOUX CITY NBC-KTIV
* 4
* 7192
* SIOUX CITY PBS-KSIN
* 27
* 7195
* SIOUX CITY PBS-KXNE
* 19
* 7196
* SIOUX CITY ABC-KCAU HD
* 9
* 5250
* SIOUX CITY CBS-KMEG HD
* 14
* 5251
* SIOUX CITY FOX-KPTH HD
* 44
* 5253


What do you mean by "night light" channel for KTIV?
post #1315 of 1416
What kind of DirecTV equipment do you have? If OTA is an option for you, I would just stick with them. I use my DirecTV box to pull in Sioux City channels here is Sioux Falls.
post #1316 of 1416
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Originally Posted by NickFluth View Post

What kind of DirecTV equipment do you have? If OTA is an option for you, I would just stick with them. I use my DirecTV box to pull in Sioux City channels here is Sioux Falls.

I've got an HR-20. Been happy with it, and with DirectTV. Until I started investigating, I didn't realize that the HR-20 would integrate OTA channels in with the satellite channels, including schedules, etc. I thought it just provided a way to connect your antenna up to the TV along with the DVR. I attached my rabbit ears today to the HR-20 and entered the zip for Kansas City as my local OTA (it's about 20 miles away and is my local sub) and boom! There are not only the locals I sub to with DirectV, from the rabbit ears, but also some local digital channels not on the DTV locals sub. Very cool.

So - if I can pick up the Sioux City networks via OTA, I may just stick with what I've got. Hopefully a set of rabbit ears will get them all, since its pretty flat with few big buildings or hills in between Orange City and Sioux City!
post #1317 of 1416
Yep, the HR20 have the integrated digital tuner. the new HR21-23 all need the external tuner (AM21) from DirecTV that attached to the receiver. It's nice to get the sub-channels and secondary markets all on your DVR. Most the Sioux City station send a strong signal out, so you should be able to pick them up with a good antenna. Have fun with your move!
post #1318 of 1416
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Originally Posted by NickFluth View Post

What kind of DirecTV equipment do you have? If OTA is an option for you, I would just stick with them. I use my DirecTV box to pull in Sioux City channels here is Sioux Falls.

So, does the DirectTV box display the schedule guide data for the Sioux City OTA channels, even though they don't carry those channels?
post #1319 of 1416
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Originally Posted by jefflackey View Post

So, does the DirectTV box display the schedule guide data for the Sioux City OTA channels, even though they don't carry those channels?

Yes.
post #1320 of 1416
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Originally Posted by Ben L C View Post

Yes.

Ah, perfect then. If I can get the OTAs then I'll just move my DirectTV setup with us (while seeing how much I can get from DTV to stay with them on the move - they've given me some nice incentives in past moves) and use OTA for the Sioux City local networks. I assume at some time in the future DTV will add those to their satellite feed, but in the meantime sounds like no problem.

Thanks!
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