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post #61 of 1228
No snow but it was -4 at my house when I went to work today.
post #62 of 1228
If they are going directly to the CRT drives aren't they bypassing the color decoder, rendering the 12C solution useless? Also, if this is the case, that means they kept the same whacked color decoder in the PM.
post #63 of 1228
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Originally posted by kippjones
No snow but it was -4 at my house when I went to work today.
Kipp...you should move to balmy New England. It was all the way up to +1 when I left my house this morning!
post #64 of 1228
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Originally posted by Benji
Kipp...you should move to balmy New England. It was all the way up to +1 when I left my house this morning!
LOL, once my PM is in the set is on my back and I am on my way!:D
post #65 of 1228
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Originally posted by Bruce Embry
Hi Benji,
I going to let the cat out of the bag!
There are using RGB-HV as the interface between the Promise Module and the CRT drives. The Promise module contains the Component to RGB-HV for connection of SAT-STB. I did not have any OTA reception problems with the SR-HD5. I think the picture improvement may come from the use of the RGB-HV interface.
This is interesting. A long time ago on the *************** forum there was much discussion on which format (RGBHV or component) to feed a Mits. TV. If I remember correctly the general concensus by the "experts" was that Mits. used component as it's native signal and that if you fed it a RGBHV signal it would internally convert it to component. Based on this "they" said that it was preferrable to feed Mits. TVs a component signal because there would be less conversions performed.

When Craig Miller was calibrating my 55857 last year we experimented with using component and RGBHV using both an Accupel HD signal generator and a RCA DTC100 with and without an AA transcoder. The result was that we could detect no difference in picture quality or resolution between RGBHV and component. Since I had been using the TV with the transcoder Craig decided it would be best just to leave it that way. Is the information regarding the PM's conversion from component to RGBHV documented anywhere or did someone tell you this. Thanks.

Jay
post #66 of 1228
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You see there is more infromation in an HD digital channel then one of the SD digital channels. So the modulation bandwidth of the SD digital channel is much smaller then the modulation bandwidth of an HD digital channel. For example on Dish network they can fit eight SD MPEG2 data streams into the same space as one HD MPEG2 data stream
So are you saying that there can be more than one channel of content broadcast in the space set aside by the PM for one channel or are you saying that the PM tuner is only for HD MPEG2 streams... or something completely different?

You lost me on that one

:confused:
post #67 of 1228
Is it plugged into the RGBHV rca jacks or is it connected on the inside?
Just a little confused as to how it is connected to the tv.
post #68 of 1228
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Embry
Hi Benji,
I going to let the cat out of the bag!
There are using RGB-HV as the interface between the Promise Module and the CRT drives. The Promise module contains the Component to RGB-HV for connection of SAT-STB. I did not have any OTA reception problems with the SR-HD5. I think the picture improvement may come from the use of the RGB-HV interface.

Hi Everyone,
Well I have thrown some egg in my face. After reading the other comments, I came home and did some more checking of the PM. I was wrong there is NO component to RGB-HV converter in the PM. When the user select the DTV input of the PM, the PM provides a direct pass-through. The PM sends a command to the Sets Computer to change the DTV input to Component. When the PM is selected, the PM sends a command to the HD set's computer to set the DTV input to RGB-HV.

The input programming can be confirm by entering the SETUP mode of the HD-set and checking the type of input used for DTV. So when the PM is being used to view, the DTV input type is set to RGB. When the external connect HD source is viewed the DTV input is set to Componant.

The qestion is where does the better picture quality come from. I would guess that since the PM is a newer-design that Mits is using a better and newer chip-set,
Since we are talking about inputs selection, I have attached a picture of the input selection menu of the PM.

The PM is wiried directly to the inside of the set. The orginal DTV inputs are disconnected.
LL
post #69 of 1228
Thread Starter 
Hi All,
I am going to continue the review of the PM.
Last night I set the Timer Record function to record Leno in HD.
Well everything worked as expected. I pressed the Capture key on the remote, and up pop the menu for adding a recording event. Pleae see attached picture.
LL
post #70 of 1228
Thread Starter 
After enter the information to record Leno, I select the LIST icon. and the following list appearred on the screen.
LL
post #71 of 1228
Thread Starter 
This morning while playing the perfect recording of LENO from last night, I press the Device-Menu button on the remote to bring up the attach menu. This menu is downloaded from the D-VHS using HAVi stuff.
LL
post #72 of 1228
Thread Starter 
Attached is a picture that show the list of our local DTV stations. None of our stations are currently send PSIP information.

Thats all for now. I want to scan in the infor on the AV-Disk. Wait till you guys see, you are going to piss in your pants!
LL
post #73 of 1228
The sidebars on 4:3 content are blue?
post #74 of 1228
Thread Starter 
Hi All,

Here are details about the GUIDE button on the remote. Please note the stuff about the AV-Disk.

Quoted from Mitsubishi Digital Netcommand Guide
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Remote Control Buttons: Guide button I Track List screen

Guide Button: GUIDE button displays the on-screen programming guides.
For Ant-DIV and IEEE 1394 devices, pressing the GUIDE button will display the Digital Channel Guide showing the sub-channels, or bit-streams for the current channel or device. For Ant-DIV only the sub-channels for the current channel are seen first. Press ADJUST A or V to see all the channels in memory.
For AV Discs, pressing GUIDE will display the Track List screen (See Attach).
Additional displays may appear depending on the device being viewed. Track List Screen (See Attach)
When viewing an AV Disc, pressing the GUIDE button will display the Track List screen. The Track List screen provides a list of tracks for the AV Disc, including the time and date the track was added, its duration, and the title of the track. Tracks will be listed in time order with the most recent recording listed first. Track Lists vary in size.
Press ADJUST up arrow or down arrow to navigate through the Track List. To play a track, select it on the list, then press ENTer.

Once a track is selected, the first program begins to play. If there are multiple programs in the track, the names are displayed. Another program for the same track can then be selected. A track must be selected and playing for the multiple programs to be displayed. To delete a track, select it, then press
CANCEL/SUB button. If the track includes multiple programs, all of them will be deleted.

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End of Quote
LL
post #75 of 1228
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by jon g
The sidebars on 4:3 content are blue?
That our 1080i Fox station(50-1). Whenever they display a 4x3 picture they use blue side bars. All of the rest of our digital stations in the Triangle uses Black side-bars when displaying 4x3 material on there 1080i/720p station.
post #76 of 1228
Thread Starter 
Hey Kipp,
Did you get your Promise Module installed.
post #77 of 1228
Yes, mine is in. I had to do dinner with my parents and wife tonight so I have not had much time to play with it yet. The JVC30K works flawlessly with the pm. So far I am impressed, and yes, Bruce is correct...the picture quality is better. Alot better. I did not think it could get better but it has. I will report back when I have a chance.;)
post #78 of 1228
The way the PM is connecting to the set is by disconnecting the HD component jumper inside the set. In other words, there is a connector that leads to the main board inside the set that the PM connects to that use to go to the component in. There is also a board that is tied in parallel to the IR board of the set. This way the remotes signals pass through the PM.

My installer did run into a problem with mounting the PM on my 65907. We had to notch out the back cover board to get the PM to mount properly and not hit the mirror housing. No big deal.

The PM can be installed by anyone with an advanced level of electrical experience. It would have been a no brainer for me but Mits will not allow this. At this point, I have had limited time using the PM other than using the OTA tuner (which the reception is better than my DTC-100's and Panny TU-DST50) and making a few recordings via 1394 on my JVC30K.

Again, the PQ is better on 1394 and component sources. Why, I do not know. The red push is actually better. It is at a minimum when compared to before. BTW, all of my geometry and overscan settings remained intact as well as any other tweaks I have performed. So anyone who has invested in a calibration can be assured that you will not loose your investment by getting the PM.

At this point I would say for anyone trying to decide to get the PM, go for it. You will not be disappointed. The PM fulfills the connectivity promise and then some. It is well worth the $$$. You can start recording right away with a D-VHS unit. So for $995.00 + $450.00 for a D-VHS unit, you are on your way to quality and reliable HD recordings. Add another ~$300-$400 for the Dish 211 and you are all set doing OTA and Satellite recordings. Total investment upgrade ~$2000.00 but it is all worth it.

I will add more later when I can. Place that order today!
post #79 of 1228
Here is the cut out we had to make.
LL
post #80 of 1228
Here is the installed pic that will illustrate why the cut out was necessary.
LL
post #81 of 1228
So guys, once the install was done, did you have a good time re-connecting everything?
post #82 of 1228
No problems at all. One component connection, one audio connection and one 1394 connection. No more rats nests! Took a whole 2 minutes.
post #83 of 1228
Several people have indicated the installed PM does not affect their prior calibration. One mentioned it did not affect his prior geometry and overscan tweaks.

I'm specifically concerned about the I2C fix of my color decoder and gray scale (i.e., color temperature) portions of my calibration. I got nervous when someone said they now had less red push (i.e., it was affecting the color decoder).

Can anyone with a technical background comment regarding whether or not the PM will affect my prior color decoder and gray scale fixes?

Thanks,
Richard
post #84 of 1228
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Originally posted by kippjones
Here is the installed pic that will illustrate why the cut out was necessary.
Thanks for the pictures Kipp. Man the PM is HUGE. What are the dimensions? It really does look like a stb mounted to the back of the set. For some reason I thought it was going to be about as big a book. Also is there a fan and/or does the PM get hot "back there" without much ventilation? Thanks again.

Jay
post #85 of 1228
So, essentially, the PM is controlling the DVCR? No need to touch the DVCR or leave it in any particular state?

Also, I guess the same is true for the AV-Disc. That track list looks pretty much like the recording listing screen from any other PVR. This might get pretty interesting in that the PVR function will no longer be tied to any particular TV provider or service. This is stuff like I have dreamed about since they first installed cable boxes in the 80's except I still see no reason all this crap cant be mounted on blades to slide into a slot in the back of a TV.


Bruce, can you take a pic of the back of your set? I have a 46807 and Would like to see what it looks like. I doubt I would have any issues with clearance but I am curious.
post #86 of 1228
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Originally posted by jerndl
Thanks for the pictures Kipp. Man the PM is HUGE. What are the dimensions? It really does look like a stb mounted to the back of the set. For some reason I thought it was going to be about as big a book. Also is there a fan and/or does the PM get hot "back there" without much ventilation? Thanks again.

Jay
No fan in the PM. Seemed to be operating at a normal temp. There are vents at the top and bottom which give it a "chimney" draft since it is mounted vertical vs horizontal. Yes, I was surprised as well at the size but since its hidden in the back, no problem.
post #87 of 1228
Quote:
Originally posted by Lee L
So, essentially, the PM is controlling the DVCR? No need to touch the DVCR or leave it in any particular state?

Also, I guess the same is true for the AV-Disc. That track list looks pretty much like the recording listing screen from any other PVR. This might get pretty interesting in that the PVR function will no longer be tied to any particular TV provider or service. This is stuff like I have dreamed about since they first installed cable boxes in the 80's except I still see no reason all this crap cant be mounted on blades to slide into a slot in the back of a TV.


Bruce, can you take a pic of the back of your set? I have a 46807 and Would like to see what it looks like. I doubt I would have any issues with clearance but I am curious.
Yes, the PM is controlling the DVCR. You could hide the DVHS unit in another room if you wish. You would only need access to it to change tapes. The DVHS is turned on and off by the PM as well.

The AV-Disc will most likely be inexpensive and easy to change out. Basically a hard drive with 1394 ports and HAVi. No subscription fees. Tivo who?:D
post #88 of 1228
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Originally posted by rlb
Several people have indicated the installed PM does not affect their prior calibration. One mentioned it did not affect his prior geometry and overscan tweaks.

I'm specifically concerned about the I2C fix of my color decoder and gray scale (i.e., color temperature) portions of my calibration. I got nervous when someone said they now had less red push (i.e., it was affecting the color decoder).

Can anyone with a technical background comment regarding whether or not the PM will affect my prior color decoder and gray scale fixes?

Thanks,
Richard
Richard,
I have been told that any tweaks will remain intact. The reduction in red push can possibly be attributed to the 1394 interface instead of using the components. On the component input of the PM, there may be less red for other reasons. I would not worry about it.
post #89 of 1228
AV-Disc- what is that?
Are you saying that the PM has a built in hard drive? If so, how big is it?
Thanks
post #90 of 1228
No, there will be a device that essentially is a hard drive with 1394 and possibly HAVi. You will be able to record HD via the 1394 network with this device in a Tivo like fashion.
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