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post #61 of 98
Quote:
Originally posted by Flooper
I sure am baffled why your colors and blacks were so bad on your Z1--I am still amazed at how my Z1 comes damn close to my Sony RPTV.
mike
Thanks mike,
I'll look into those projectors and hopefully view one before buying. The fact that you can even see screendoor on X1 has me a bit concern. I guess I do have better eyesight than I thought.. dunno.

I am baffled too but I do have a Pioneer Elite RPTV (which supposedly is one of the best) and was professionally calibrated (which made a HUGE difference) so maybe I'm used to an exceptionally outstanding picture.

I don't think the unit was bad and I watched in completly dark room. Maybe I didn't tweak properly or sat back far enough (i was about 160 inches away from a 96" screen) but when I saw the Sharp in the store I was like 100 inches away from a 100" screen and couldn't see anything but a great picture. I got so taken with it I ended up watching movie for an hour or so that I didn't even like the first time I saw it!!

One other question, if you could (by the way, thanks for all your reviews and time to answer everyones questions)... How do you set your your X1 projector with all the cables needed to go to it (RGB, S, Video, Power) without looking like a mess? How long are your cables running to the unit?
thanks again
Jack
post #62 of 98
Thread Starter 
Jack,
I just run one cable to my X1--a component to VGA breakout. My cable run is about 20 feet. I run the cable up inside the wall from my av receiver to the atic, across the attic, then out a small opening in the ceiling (covered by a ceiling plate) down to the X1. If I really want to use Svideo, I just hook up a cable when I need it, take it down when I'm done.

mike
post #63 of 98
Flooper deee Doooper....

Mike ..... still wondering what version of firmware you were using on the projector. I did a side by side 2.3 vs 2.9...... and there is a significant qualitative difference between the two.
post #64 of 98
Quote:
Originally posted by Flooper
Bill Cushman--a pj guru and ISF technician--always recommended a HiPower for the Sony 400Q, which is a 400 lumens, 400:1 contrast ratio lcd.

If you want to read more about Bill Cushman's HiPower recommendations, you can find them at thebigpicduredvd.com's 400q forum.

Thanks for the Cushman ref, and for your own observations. Valuable info, because I don't know any dealers around here who use High Powers in the showroom.
post #65 of 98
For your info Ver 3.6 is now on the Infocus website
post #66 of 98
OK, where are you guys finding an X1 upgrade page? I can't seem to find it. Are you getting email notifications from Infocus?
Thanks,
Jeff

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Originally posted by DJ California
For your info Ver 3.6 is now on the Infocus website
post #67 of 98
Jeff...

try this out http://www.infocus.com/service/x1/so...=1&soft=system

wow version 3.6...... that sounds odd going from 2.9 to 3.6 ... I would give em a call and see if they messed that up. or did you try it?
post #68 of 98
Quote:
Originally posted by Flooper
Jack,
I just run one cable to my X1--a component to VGA breakout. My cable run is about 20 feet. I run the cable up inside the wall from my av receiver to the atic, across the attic, then out a small opening in the ceiling (covered by a ceiling plate) down to the X1. If I really want to use Svideo, I just hook up a cable when I need it, take it down when I'm done.

mike
I assume from reading many posts that component to VGA breakout yields the best picture. Why then would someone want to use Svideo?
post #69 of 98
Because not every source comes with component out. My DirectTV receiver doesn't come with comp. out, my cheap old DVD player doesn't come with one either :(

In general SVideo cable is smaller/thinner therefore easier to run to the projector.

There are other reasons as well but I can't remember what they are :)
post #70 of 98
Mandarex,
Thanks for the info. I'll check it out on Monday

Quote:
Originally posted by mandarax
Jeff...

try this out http://www.infocus.com/service/x1/so...=1&soft=system

wow version 3.6...... that sounds odd going from 2.9 to 3.6 ... I would give em a call and see if they messed that up. or did you try it?
post #71 of 98
Quote:
Originally posted by mandarax
Flooper deee Doooper....

Mike ..... still wondering what version of firmware you were using on the projector. I did a side by side 2.3 vs 2.9...... and there is a significant qualitative difference between the two.
Did mike ever update this and re-test them with the newest firmware update?
post #72 of 98
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Mfusick
Did mike ever update this and re-test them with the newest firmware update?
Not yet. I haven't had time to install v3.6 yet. I'm still running the original version that came with my X1. I've got it ceiling mounted, and I need to take it down to do the upgrade. I'll probably get to it this weekend.
post #73 of 98
I'm an X1 neo.
To upgrade I first download to my laptop the software, then upload to the pj. Sounds simple enough, but . . .
I have Mac G4- can this be done with Apples? This USB-A and USB-B cable they talk about- is that just a standard USB cable?
post #74 of 98
ritter..

yep its a standard USB cable... the kind that is common with digital cameras.... one end more square ..... . to the X1 ...... one end to the standard computer usb port.

Mfusick....

The picture is appreciably better with the updates. Take my word for it. Have I ever steered you wrong?
post #75 of 98
Thread Starter 
Is there a Mac version of v3.6? I've got a powerbook, and it sure would be easier to do it that way than take my X1 down from the ceiling mount.
post #76 of 98
Calling Bob Williams: I also believe this to be true, particularily with Direct TV. Any informative comment?


Mfusick....

The picture is appreciably better with the updates. Take my word for it. Have I ever steered you wrong?
post #77 of 98
Quote:
Originally posted by Tyro

Mfusick....

The picture is appreciably better with the updates. Take my word for it. Have I ever steered you wrong?
I'll take your word on it.
post #78 of 98
Quote:
Originally posted by Flooper
The Z1 is a very slick looking unit. I LOVE the lens shift feature. It seems the unit is built very solid, except for the lens shift levers, which strike me as a little loosey goosey. Also, I didn’t like the focus/zoom setup on the Z1—I kept missing the lever or the lens ring, and getting a big fat fingerprint on the lens. The X1 is easier to focus and zoom (the lens housing sticks out where you can reach it), but it doesn’t have the lens shift feature, which makes setup for the Z1 a whole lot easier IMO. The Z1 is also a great coffee table unit—the two legs on front make it easy to level, and the horizontal, wedge shape looks really good. Also, I really love the front flip-down panel on the Z1—much easier than the lens cap of the X1, because every time I put the lens cap on or take it off, I mess up the focus of the X1. With the Z1, just flip up the little panel. The X1 feels a little clunkier than the Z1, but it’s quite solid. One thing I really don’t like about the X1 is that goofy "foot" in the front. Makes it hard to get it level on a coffee table. Plus, there’s only one adjuster foot at the back, on the right-hand side. They should have put one on both sides.
hey! great review flooper. Question: Does the lens shift functions degrades the picture quality? Or it is unnoticable? One of the reasons I might want the Z1 is the lens shift function but i will not want to use it if it affects picture quality tremendously.

Cheers.
post #79 of 98
Thread Starter 
Yop,
Lens shift does not affect pq at all that I can tell. I don't think any other Z1 owners have noticed any pq difference with the lens shift either. I think it's like the zoom--moves the picture, but doesn't affect the quality.

mike
post #80 of 98
That's great to hear! Thanks! :) That will solve my problem of the table not been in the exact centre.
post #81 of 98
Flopper,

Did you compare X1 with Z1 on DVD material with X1's S-video break out component connection? X1's S-video port has extra pins than standard 4 pin s-video. You could switch your DVD player to interlaced mode component out to X1 using X1's component break out and its Faroudja processing. I'm just curious how much 'better' it will look.

Eric
post #82 of 98
Would yall consider the X1 brighter than an RPTV (like the hitachi 57")?

Thanks,
Robert
post #83 of 98
It's bright enough in a semi light controlled room like mine. I could, but do not turn off every light. Some ambient light is beneficial and the X1 does not need total darkness IMO.

"Bright" is a relative term. You can see a RPTV better in daylight (not by much if you have it calibrated properly) but that is not the X1's intended application anyway.

I would be interested in Flooper's comments on comparative pq among the various input permutations.
post #84 of 98
Yes..

Moderate light control and it's ok...

If you have a 15 foot wide picture window with direct sunlight shining on your screen then your an idiot. (for thinking it would be ok or not pulling the blinds shut)

Kinda like paying attention and being careful and you can avoid a car accident or crashing... Not doing so you can smash up your car.

Same effect with light control and picture quality... You have to put some effort into light control if you want some good results.

Many companies make complete "BLACK OUT" shades you can buy to completely darken a room.

Some even on remote control.

It's pretty easy.... Just don't think you can watch it in direct sunlight.

Same thing...
post #85 of 98
Thanks Mfusick,

I know that you deal alot with the Hitachi TV's and that you were a regular on the RPTV forum. Do you think that the picture quality of the X1 is better than the Hitachi's??

Beaumora
post #86 of 98
Flopper,
What you mean by this as stated on the 1st topic of this message on the Z1?:

4. You don’t watch much tv

----I watch plenty of TV using my 1HD and can say it kicks a$$ in both DirectTV (s-video) and DVD either componet or S-video still picture quality is great.
I saw and viewed also the X1 in my house with all lights on and it was no where to brag that it can Perject a better picture then the Z1 in a non light control room/ area imho.
Both units still needs a dimm room to get excellent viewing. Even with the X1 with its high lumens I did not see a greater or say better picture in anyway.
Don't get me wrong both are a great runner up units,, but I am much happier owning the Z1 over the X1 anyday.
post #87 of 98
Both units the X1 and Z1 run about the same lumens when in film mode around 500 lumens. I have the x1 and yes it doesn't perform well with ambient light.
post #88 of 98
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Shift
Flopper,
What you mean by this as stated on the 1st topic of this message on the Z1?:

4. You don’t watch much tv

----I watch plenty of TV using my 1HD and can say it kicks a$$ in both DirectTV (s-video) and DVD either componet or S-video still picture quality is great.
I saw and viewed also the X1 in my house with all lights on and it was no where to brag that it can Perject a better picture then the Z1 in a non light control room/ area imho.
Both units still needs a dimm room to get excellent viewing. Even with the X1 with its high lumens I did not see a greater or say better picture in anyway.
Don't get me wrong both are a great runner up units,, but I am much happier owning the Z1 over the X1 anyday.

What I meant is that how much 4:3 standard def TV you view could be an important deciding factor between the X1 and the Z1, since they are so damn close in almost every category.

If you watch a lot of 4:3 TV (and don't see rainbows), the X1 would, in my opinion, be a better choice for the following reasons:

1. It's a native 4:3 projector.
2. It has built-in Faroudja DCDI processing, which does a good job of cleaning up and making standard def stuff look pretty good.
3. To my eyes, and to everyone who was at my shootout, this was the one area where the X1 was clearly superior to the Z1--standard def 4:3 material looked noticeably sharper on the X1.


I have both a Z1 and X1, and like them both. After 3 months of viewing them both extensively, I still maintain the X1 is a slightly better pj for 4:3 material. This is not denigrating the Z1--I also watch 4:3 material on the Z1, but to my eyes it just is not quite as sharp as the X1--still watchable, but not as crisp and stable as the picture from the X1. On HDTV and dvds, I still think it's a dead heat.

They are both great budget pjs--but if you watch a lot of 4:3 standard def material, it may lean you a little more to the X1 if you're still undecided. Most people have a very hard time trying to decide between these two pjs. I was just trying to point out that how much standard def TV you watch is something to consider when making your decision.

I like my Z1. I like my X1. I can't honestly say I'd be "much happier" with one over the other "any day." They are too close in performance and price/value.

As far as using these pjs in a room with some ambient light, I feel that any kind of critical viewing, such as DVDs, etc., you definitely need a dark room. But, one of the things that I like about the X1 is that I can put it in Presentation mode (1000 lumens) when there is ambient light in the room, and still enjoy some types of viewing--mostly sports, etc. that is not as critical for black levels, etc. The Presentation mode does cause the pq to suffer somewhat, but you do get a much brighter picture, which is fine for basketball, baseball, or even kids shows and news programs. I often use my X1 during the day with the curtains closed--not perfectly dark by any means. I wouldn't say it's a great picture, but it's watchable.


mike
post #89 of 98
I'm just glad someone here is crazy enough to own both of these just to set people straight :D
post #90 of 98
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by ritter
It's bright enough in a semi light controlled room like mine. I could, but do not turn off every light. Some ambient light is beneficial and the X1 does not need total darkness IMO.

"Bright" is a relative term. You can see a RPTV better in daylight (not by much if you have it calibrated properly) but that is not the X1's intended application anyway.

I would be interested in Flooper's comments on comparative pq among the various input permutations.
ritter,
This is just my opinion of course, but after using the X1 for about three months, I have decided these are the inputs I prefer:

1. HDTV: VGA (no choice here)
2. DVDs (Progressive scan dvd player into VGA)
3. Standard def TV (s-video into s-video)

Realistically, about the only one you have any choice on is with DVDs. To me, it just seems like DVDs through the VGA port have more punch to the colors. I felt the s-video and component/s-video connection for DVDs had excellent deinterlacing and picture stability/black level/shadow detail, but when I compared to the VGA port, the colors seemed flatter to my eyes. I like a punchier picture, so I went the VGA route.

mike
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