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post #241 of 12505
I am just using the bunny ears, i can get UPN 38, channel 26, are pretty good. 11, 7 are very fuzzy, and 4 is almost non-existant. I know that with the Samsung, if it gets any signal, it will lock that channel in, and so far I have been out of luck on that front.
post #242 of 12505
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nj829,
Get a decent Channel Master VHF/UHF Outdoor fringe antenna and CM 7777 preamp.
Don't bother with Radio Shack junk.

You can order antennas at solidsignal.com or warrenelectronics.com Both are reliable sources.

I don't think KTHV will give you a waiver for CBS on Dish, since you're within KTHV's grade-b coverage area.
post #243 of 12505
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Big_Nate
... I'd like to start getting HDTV OTA stuff...

If you're in Maumelle, you're not very far from Shinalll Mtn, where about half the stations are. The rest are in Redfield.

I would try a CM 4221 UHF antenna + CM 7777 preamp. Although the CM 4221 is designed for UHF stations only, it will often pick up VHF stations like KTHV-DT, especially if they're nearby. See my previous post for two online sources, or search Google for more.

As for aiming, if you're surrounded by hills you'll just have to experiment until hopefully you find a sweet spot for receiving all the stations. If you get some of the stations in one direction, only to lose others, you'll need a rotor, or get two antennas and an A/B switch, to jump between the two antennas.
post #244 of 12505
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A friend of mine lives in LR, in a deep valley surrounded by hills. He's tried OTA HDTV, but gave up because he never could get ABC. He is interested in the LG LST-3100A 8VSB OTA/QAM cable STB, but is afraid he won't be able to get any digital cable channels.

Does anyone know which comcast QAM digital channels are unencrypted in LR? I know that at one time, ABC-HD (7), CBS-HD (11) & ESPN-HD were "in the clear", but need to know if that's changed....
post #245 of 12505
I might have misunderstood both your post and the item you're linking but this might help:

Comcast digital cable, and their HDTV package, requires that you use their STB (Motorola 5100), so an alternative STB such as the one you're linking is not an option in Little Rock. The only other routes for HDTV, as you know, is DirectTV and Dish Network that unit doesnt support. OTA "only" HDTV STB units should be much cheaper (100 dollars?).

Comcast's policy is to add DTV as they become HDTV capable, which is why I "assume" they still only provide 7 and 11. They went on record stating as soon as a new local station provides HDTV transmission, they will add it to their lineup.
post #246 of 12505
I didnt realize how bad my antenna sucked until tonight - well depending on how you look at it.

Lately ive been getting dropouts on KTHV-DT, but i used to get it in 100% of the time. Well, just for kicks, i plugged a plain jane dipole antenna (no UHF loop) and, in a sweet spot, i got in DT 4, 7, 11, 16, and 38 with only dropouts here and there (i didnt try WB and the others). With the batwing I have on my roof now, i just get the ones at redfield - the direction its pointed (DT 2, 7, 38, but 11 cuts in and out, no 16 or 4 or WB).

Tomorrow, im going to go get a silver sensar and see how that does, for a short term solution to not being able to get in all the channels. "If" i can get all the channels at Shinall with that, then i guess i could get a switcher and go back and forth between by batwing. The downside to silver sensar + a/b switcher is i get negative marks from the wife because im jerry rigging up the living room.

The best solution would be a better outdoor antenna that gets them all without a rotar. The batwing i have now is mouted on the back of my D* dish. Hopefully i can find an alternative UHF antenna that will mount onto it easily, as i have no boy scout skills. (Just climbing up on my 2 story roof will make me nervous enough) "Since" i managed to get both 7 and almost 38 with just a dipole antenna (VHF only!) amonst the others stations on the bottom floor of my house, surely i can get all stations with an outdoor UHF antenna pointed "somewhere".
post #247 of 12505
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Azanon,
I remember the antenna that Bwy Satellite installed for you. They are not very good. The only reason they install them is because they're easy. No extra mast involved.
post #248 of 12505
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Quote:


Originally posted by Azanon
... Comcast digital cable, and their HDTV package, requires that you use their STB (Motorola 5100), so an alternative STB such as the one you're linking is not an option in Little Rock. The only other routes for HDTV, as you know, is DirectTV and Dish Network that unit doesnt support. OTA "only" HDTV STB units should be much cheaper (100 dollars?).

Comcast's policy is to add DTV as they become HDTV capable, which is why I "assume" they still only provide 7 and 11. They went on record stating as soon as a new local station provides HDTV transmission, they will add it to their lineup.

I've seen 7 & 11 HD on comcast digital cable being received "in the clear" with only a QAM tuner. No comcast 5100 box was used, and the cable subscription was "analog basic" only. NO digital sub. I heard that ESPN-HD and the basic digital tier also were receiveable, but can't confirm.

IIRC, comcast policy is to send OTA HD channels (ie 7 & 11) unencrypted, but need to know for sure if other channels (ESPN-HD, etc.) are stil receivable without renting a 5100 from them and only using a QAM capable tuner like the LG 3100A.

If the 3100A were available locally, my friend would just buy one and try it. If it didn't work, he would return it. But right now, the 3100A is only available online. If he can find out for sure which channels are unencrypted, he'll order one online. If not, he's dumping comcast for the FREE Dish HD special at Sears or Custom Satellite (Free 3 room system installed. One of the 3 boxes can be either their new Dish 811 HD STB or a DishDVR non-HD box.).
post #249 of 12505
If one is receiving comcast cable, IMHO its crazy to just not rent their motorola 5100. Any cutting edge technology like anything associated with HDTV is evolving literallly monthly, and even conservatively, yearly. At only 5$ per month, you'd have to rent 5 years just to pay for that STB. I'd opt for renting if it were me.
post #250 of 12505
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My friend tells me the "$5" per month is not exactly true.

He had basic cable only (no STB), when he ordered HD. When he ordered HD, comcast told him all he needed to add to his basic analog cable to get the local OTA HD channels & ESPN-HD was the Moto 5100, which he could rent for $5 a month. A couple of months later, they informed him that the $5 HD special only lasted x number of months (I forget how many), and he would have to move up to one of their digital tiers (another bill increase), plus pay the $5/month HD STB rental.

Bottom line, his monthly cable bill is going up over $15/month just to get the OTA local HD channels & ESPN-HD, which was all he wanted to add to his basic programming. AND after the first of the year, he said his bill will go up again, so it will be over $20/month higher than what he was originally paying for basic (no-STB) cable.

The whole thing is moot anyway. He called me last night and told me he ordered the Dish special and will be dropping comcast.
post #251 of 12505
If anyone is interested, KTHV-HD can be picked up in Hot Springs. Due to the weather, I didn't get a chance to mount my antenna on the mast I put up. I just had the antenna laying on the ground in front of my garage with a cable run inside to the tuner. It came in great - however, that was the only station that would come in. It's the only one that I really wanted, so that's ok. Maybe when I put the antenna on the mast and hook up the pre-amp, I'll get a couple more.
post #252 of 12505
I'm pretty bitter about STB's right now. They are selling the Zenith 520s for $250 dollars at circuit city now. I paid twice that just a few months ago, and that was a good deal! (cause they were really 600 dollars).

I ordered a channelmaster 4221A today. Hopefully, i'll have that up ASAP after it comes in.
post #253 of 12505
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Azanon,
That's the price you pay for being an early adopter. Had I waited till now to get HD, I would be getting DISH-HD and their new 811 STB, FREE for new customers.

You can always sell the 520 and buy a cheaper one, or a different brand. 520s are selling for $500+ on ebay right now.

Where did you get the 4221?

Did you order a preamp? I would, to insure getting the low power stations - especially if you're paying someone to climb your roof and install it.

The CM 7777 VHF/UHF low noise preamps work great.
post #254 of 12505
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Quote:


Originally posted by shaneotool
If anyone is interested, KTHV-HD can be picked up in Hot Springs.

What antenna and preamp did you get?

Be sure and install the antenna as high as possible, if you're trying to get more stations in Hot Springs....
post #255 of 12505
Arxaw,

Well if i willing to do that (sell my 520 on ebay), then others should be just as willing to advertise a 500 dollar sat520 on ebay, and go buy the units at circuit city; same difference except even less hassle than me since i'd have to set up a new D* card.

But I do love Ebay - several times ive sold items for the same price i bought them after having used them 1-2 years.

I bought the 4221A at solidsignal.com. I intend to install it myself or have a friend/my dad help me. I'm gonna go without the preamp for the following reasons: 1. I'm plenty close to both redfield (17 miles or so), and shinall (6 miles) that a preamp should not be necessary 2. I get all digital station with my silver sensor sitting in one location, inside my house no less. "surely" the 4221A will perform at least as well (which would be ~ perfect) on the roof of my 2-story house which is sitting on a mountain. 3. Even low noise (as opposed to none) on unneeded amplification would likely be an equal tradeoff, at best. 4. antennaweb.org says i dont need a preamp'ed antenna. 5. the 7777 preamp isnt exactly cheap.
post #256 of 12505
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azanon,
WRT the preamp, I was only thinking of saving you a return installer visit, if you end up needing a preamp. How long is your coax run?

Have you scheduled the antenna install yet? If so, who did you get and what was their estimate?

The reason I ask, a friend needs an OTA antenna for his new Dish system, and I *really* don't want to install it for him, if he can get it professionally installed at a reasonable price.
post #257 of 12505
Arxaw,

I mentioned in the previous post I intend to install it myself or have a friend/my dad help out. The install should be straightforward now because all of the cabling is taken care off. I just have to unhook the coax from the batwing, mount the new 4221A, and plug the coax into the 4221a.

My total coax run is probably, ole, 60feet from top of roof to my jack by my TV. That's a total guess, but my house is really tall and the wire comes into the central portion of my house, but my TV is on the far N wall.
post #258 of 12505
Arxaw,

Where are you seeing this deal for dish-HD that includes a free HD STB? Considering they used to charge $600, that sounds almost too good to be true. Post or PM me a link, cause I have a couple friends that might be interested in that.

Azanon
post #259 of 12505
Check out dishdepot.com

This is the deal I'm going to get when/if the 811's ever get released.

arxaw - I have a ChannelMaster 3020 and 7777.
post #260 of 12505
Since I finally got Fox to work right this weekend, i had the opportunity to watch the Cowboys game. I noticed that the game seemed to be running in true widescreen EDTV (480p). It was quite pleasant on the eyes since the screen wasnt distored (via wide mode or pana). How many programs on Fox DT are in EDTV? Just a football game here and there or all of the prime time stuff as well?

Oh and btw, if you're curious, my TV is a 30" Samsung 3098WHF and i've been very pleased with it. It was as large as i could go to fit my TV slot, without having to rip it out of the wall and rebuild it.
post #261 of 12505
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Azanon,
A lot of faux prime time is in widescreen, as are many sports events. KLRT-DT doesn't send it 480p. They have the equipment to send it in any format, but Allen upconverts it to 1080i for now, because he said it looked the best for SD/HD upconverts. By late next year,FOX will begin broadcasting 720p HD, and KLRT-DT will likely change to 720p at that time.

WRT the free Dish DVR or HD box for new subscribers, go to the Sears store at I-630 & University. They have tons of brochures on the offer, and can setup an installation appointment. Sears is also pushing VOOM, the new satellite service specializing in HD channels. You can also go by Custom Satellite on W. Markham (near Chip's Barbecue) and talk to the people there about the free DishHD offers. Their brochures are slightly different than Sears, and they seem to be pushing the "Dish Home Plan", which is a STB rental plan, which includes a maintenance agreement and extra monthly fee. Custom Satellite also installs OTA antennas.

The DishHD offer at Sears has two pricing options for the STB:
Free, if you sign up for 2 years of basic programming.
$99, if you sign up for 1 year of basic programming.

If you coax is over 50', I would seriously consider installing a VHF/UHF preamp, when the antenna is installed.
post #262 of 12505
Quote:


They have the equipment to send it in any format, but Allen upconverts it to 1080i for now, because he said it looked the best for SD/HD upconverts

Ahh, that explains the "interlaced" look to it (shimmer). As for if it was sent 480i or 480p, I probably wouldnt know because my TV would deinterlace it (has 3/2 pulldown) to 480p anyway. I'm a little surprised Allen feels upconvert 1080i looks better. 480p is aweful nice looking and isnt real far behind a true 1080i image, simply because it has no shimmer to it. Also, if i'm not mistaken, the refresh rate is double on progressive (60hz as compared to 30hz?).
post #263 of 12505
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On a big screen HDTV, 1080i nearly always looks a lot better than 480p - even when it's only an upconvert. IMO, 480p just looks "soft" compared to 1080i.

Allen's tried every format that KLRT's equipment is capable of, and I would trust his judgement based on studio monitors over us viewers using consumer-grade stuff.
post #264 of 12505
So how does that pseudo HD that fox has compare to the HD of CBS? Is it still loads better that fox on cable?
post #265 of 12505
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CBS-HD beats "faux" widescreen, hands down. The difference is very apparent on football games and other CBS-HD shot with HD cams. On film transfers, the difference is slightly less noticeable, but CBS-HD still looks better. Much more detail than faux.

I don't have cable, so I can't compare OTA DTV vs cable. Also, each cable system varies in quality (even from neighborhood to neighborhood). But OTA, KLRT-DT 16-1 looks sharper than KLRT 16 analog, using an OTA antenna 7 miles from the transmitters.
post #266 of 12505
I trust his judgement on that; besides there is insane talk over the bravod1/samsung931 dvd players that are capable of upconverting 480p to 1080i, so I have to assume upconverted 1080i looks better. All i'm saying is that when i toggle my stb setting to 480p on a HD channel, the image, in some ways, looks nicer cause the shimmering goes away. (but overall is much worse cause it isnt HD anymore.

Good point about the TV size - lower resolution isnt as detrimental on a smaller TV. Progressive vs Interlaced is a big change though.

Shane - any true HD image, such as CBS's 1080i football, blows away EDTV (Fox) or non-HD. Its really no comparison. Now 720p vs 1080i - you have a never ending debate. Strangely enough, i very slighly prefer the IQ of ESPN HD football games over CBS's HD football and that shouldnt be the case since my TV is native 1080i.
post #267 of 12505
I guess the main benefit is the widescreen.

Something I've noticed with the HD on CBS in the three days of having it, is how good the colors are. I thought that everything would just be much sharper. I wasn't expecting the vibrant, bright, lifelike colors. It really is awesome. Analog cable looks washed out in comparison.
post #268 of 12505
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Yes, in addition to a much sharper picture, HDTV is able to display a *lot* more colors and shades of gray than the old NTSC system. If your set is setup well, using a good setup DVD like Avia, etc. (or professionally ISF calibrated). The image can be even better than the "out of the box" settings on an HD set.
post #269 of 12505
I had to self calibrate mine. I use the DVI port on my TV, but my DVD only has the typical component video outputs. In my service menu on my TV, it has separate settings depending on what port is being utilized so to calibrate one port does nothing for, say, the DVI.

My TV was way off out of the box - both colorwise and geometrywise. Its like a whole new TV compared to out of box settings.
post #270 of 12505
No Hogs in HD this friday. I'm so F'n pissed - I might have to leave work and go home.
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