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post #6031 of 6565
5/5/11 at 8:16am
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Well Dish is throwing WCOV under the bus it seems.

Careful, Dish may try to sue you for posting copy-rited content!
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post #6032 of 6565
5/5/11 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

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Sorry WCOV, you are not worth CNN, TBS, ESPN2 prices IMO. ...snip...


Sorry, but I never watch CNN, TBS and only rarely watch ESPN2. In my case, they should be worth less than a local Fox station that I do watch.


I think ultimately, cable and satellite companies will have to go to some sort of metered service. Fox wants to charge .60 per month per subscriber might not be all that unreasonable but how do you know they're actually watching and to what extent? A station that is watched 10 times a week is worth more in revenues than one that's only watched once a week. With some sort of metering, providers will be able to pay in proportion to what the content is worth.
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post #6033 of 6565
5/5/11 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

I got an email response from Paul McTear at WCOV. In it he mentioned that they are asking for .02 /day per subscriber (or .60/month per subscriber). I'm sorry but I think that is too high for a small local channel. That would put them in the same league as Fox News, CNN, USA, TBS and ESPN2.

I'll be honest, I don't think sat/cable providers should have to pay local channels anything as long as they offer there signal for free OTA. I just don't like that local channels have no problem giving there signal away for free to some people but, want those who chose the sat/cable route to pay.

Sorry WCOV, you are not worth CNN, TBS, ESPN2 prices IMO. Especially since I can watch most Fox shows through other legal means like Hulu Plus.

WCOV wants people in this area to think this is just a Dish vs WCOV battle but, sat/cable providers are stuck in these types of battles all across the country. Having to pay TBS/USA prices for every local channel across the country would be a huge burden and that cost will get passed along to us. From there point of view, why bother with that burden when people have the option to put up an antenna and get it for free. It's not worth the added cost and I completely understand and agree with Dish/DirecTV's stance.

A compromise has not "evolved" with DirecTV and I doubt one will come any time soon with Dish. Maybe I could trust what WCOV says if it was just one sat company having issues with them but; I think it is pretty clear that WCOV is asking too much now that both sat companies have dropped them. There are a lot of sat subscribers in this area, mainly because the cable companies are so bad and slow to support HD. Can WCOV survive losing that many eyes and for how long? This will hurt their bottom line more the Dish or DirecTV's.

Sorry WCOV, you are not worth CNN, TBS, ESPN2 prices IMO. Especially since I can watch most Fox shows through other legal means like Hulu Plus.

If you think these cable networks are going for 60 per sub, may I interest you in the Ritz Carlton franchise for this area?
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post #6034 of 6565
5/5/11 at 1:42pm
I think it's a Fox thing. All the Fox stations are doing this and they, as I understand it, are asking waaay more than other stations in each market. Fox has decided it's time to start making up money lost to ratings and lack of advertising by squeezing cable and satellite companies, who they claim "have gotten away with low or no cost carriage to their benefit" or some such nonsense.

I say all the cablecos follow Dish and DirecTV's lead and offer locals for an extra cost. (I think you can still request NO locals in your market and get a ~$5 discount with Dish/DirecTV.) I'd ditch them in an instant. All I'd lose is the ability to DVR those channels. And with some DirecTV boxes, you don't even lose that ability. I could DVR OTA channels with a $50 OTA tuner box and it was well worth it.

At least where I live (Baldwin County) the TV stations OTA signals are very robust. I only watch the NBC Nightly News and Fox animations, the other 95% is cable channel shows. Why should subscribers shoulder 60ยข a month for Fox when it's available free from the ether?
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post #6035 of 6565
5/5/11 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
Why should subscribers shoulder 60ยข a month for Fox when it's available free from the ether?
I am amazed at people who pay for what they can get free as well, and usually for better quality to boot. But...the equipment, interstate fiber transport, satellite time and other operational costs that the satellite companies incure under the forced carriage of all OTA markets doesn't come cheap.
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post #6036 of 6565
5/5/11 at 3:31pm
We only pay 5.00 per month for satellite locals. How much of that does WCOV think they deserve?
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post #6037 of 6565
5/5/11 at 3:39pm
Went to a friends house today that subscribes to Dish locals and took this screen shot.

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post #6038 of 6565
5/6/11 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by WAKA-DT 8 View Post

If you think these cable networks are going for 60 per sub, may I interest you in the Ritz Carlton franchise for this area?

Ok, if you have better info then post it. Every article I could find listed those all at around .60.

My point is, I don't think WCOV is worth .60 per subscriber. I know you can't say but I'll ask anyway; is that higher then what WAKA gets from Dish? Is it in the ballpark or not even close? If it is about the same then maybe Dish is being stubborn but, my guess is that it is that it is higher.
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post #6039 of 6565
5/10/11 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

Ok, if you have better info then post it. Every article I could find listed those all at around .60.

My point is, I don't think WCOV is worth .60 per subscriber. I know you can't say but I'll ask anyway; is that higher then what WAKA gets from Dish? Is it in the ballpark or not even close? If it is about the same then maybe Dish is being stubborn but, my guess is that it is that it is higher.

No, I can't say. But we don't charge extra for color or stereo.
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post #6040 of 6565
5/10/11 at 7:57pm
Woods is running adds all over the radio to drop Dish. Too funny.
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post #6041 of 6565
5/10/11 at 10:41pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Smith View Post

Woods is running adds all over the radio to drop Dish. Too funny.

Brilliant strategy. He'll bring them down to their knees. lol
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post #6042 of 6565
5/11/11 at 6:12am
I wouldn't drop Dish even if they dropped all our locals. Charter/Knology in this area just refuses to add more HD channels. My parents have Charter I don't think they have gotten a new HD channel in the last year (well maybe MLB).

Just went to Charter.com and counted only 21 HD channels for this area (I didn't count locals). Knology was better with 27 and Brighthouse in Millbrook was the best with 38. With Dish Network, I get 74 HD channels with the Top 200 package + the Platinum HD add on. That doesn't include the 13 HBO and Starz HD channels I get. I could add another 17 HD channels if I move up to the Top 250 package. Dish's lowest tier, the Top 120 still beats both Knology and Charter with 30 HD channels (50 with Platinum addon). This is why I will never support our local cable companies until they get their act together and support more HD. Brighthouse is the only one I would even consider at this point but, I'd have to move. They seem to be the only one trying to compete with the sat companies HD selection.
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post #6043 of 6565
5/11/11 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

I wouldn't drop Dish even if they dropped all our locals. Charter/Knology in this area just refuses to add more HD channels. My parents have Charter I don't think they have gotten a new HD channel in the last year (well maybe MLB).

Just went to Charter.com and counted only 21 HD channels for this area (I didn't count locals). Knology was better with 27 and Brighthouse in Millbrook was the best with 38. With Dish Network, I get 74 HD channels with the Top 200 package + the Platinum HD add on. That doesn't include the 13 HBO and Starz HD channels I get. I could add another 17 HD channels if I move up to the Top 250 package. Dish's lowest tier, the Top 120 still beats both Knology and Charter with 30 HD channels (50 with Platinum addon). This is why I will never support our local cable companies until they get their act together and support more HD. Brighthouse is the only one I would even consider at this point but, I'd have to move. They seem to be the only one trying to compete with the sat companies HD selection.

Preach it brother!


I've been waiting for well over a year for more HD channels that were supposedly "coming soon". I think I am going to look at re-evaluating my TV situation. Between hulu, youtube, and my Blu-rays, I'm having a hard time seeing why I keep paying out the nose for this pitiful smattering of channels.
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post #6044 of 6565
5/12/11 at 7:33pm
I have had Direct and Dish since the HD explosion. I have really struggled with which one to drop. Now that Direct Has a decent DVR (I think) it should make the decision easier. I really need to drop one. I am tired of spending over 225 per month.
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post #6045 of 6565
5/13/11 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Smith View Post

I have had Direct and Dish since the HD explosion. I have really struggled with which one to drop. Now that Direct Has a decent DVR (I think) it should make the decision easier. I really need to drop one. I am tired of spending over 225 per month.

Well I've only ever had DTv, but every time I'm at someones house and get the play with the remote, I'm mortified by the user interface and the remote layout, thats the same as most cable remotes I've seen.
One of my best friends/cousin just switched over to DTv from Dish because he was tired of them constantly going up on his monthly price and he has nothing but good things to say about DTv compared to Dish.
One thing that really rubs me the wrong way is how you get the SD and the HD version of every channel in the guide on Dish. I remember after a firmware update when DTv asked me if I wanted to hide the duplicates of SD/HD and I've never had to look at them again.
Since DTv has the locals now, I think Dish has lost their edge (if they really ever had one) in this area.
Britt's 2ยข
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post #6046 of 6565
5/13/11 at 6:25pm
Is WCOV out for anyone else? Just flaked out about 8:10pm.
That is OTA.
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post #6047 of 6565
5/14/11 at 12:15am
Britt....on Dish's VIP722 DVR, you can select one of several different program guides. You can select an HD only guide. You can also create four individualized program guides which works best for me as I can set up one with only the channels that I'm interested in.

As for Dish pricing, a few months back, I tried to make a comparison between Dish and Direct TV. Lets just say that these two companies have refined the art of making their packages difficult to compare. Once the promotional period on both have expired, I'm not so sure that they're all that much different. One pricing strategy that some play is to bounce between the two providers using their promotional pricing and changing names/credit cards. That seems to be a lot of trouble given that it might take a while to get your satellite system fine tuned.
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post #6048 of 6565
5/14/11 at 5:53am
I looked at switching from Dish to DTV back in October, because the whole home DVR thing looks really great, and DTV was going to be at least $15 more per month. The reason was because I would need 3 more receivers with DTV since they can not feed 2 rooms like Dish's receivers can. I decided to stick with Dish and wait for them to add a whole home DVR feature, hopefully.
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post #6049 of 6565
5/14/11 at 2:42pm
Thought this article might be interesting to some of you Dish/DTV fans:

New receivers and more coming

Dish shows off new three tuner DVRs, multiroom boxes, promises 3D this summer at Team Summit meeting

Over at SatelliteGuys there's a lot of information from last week's Dish Network Team Summit, where it talked about some of the recent developments and made some new product announcements. Some of the new initiatives will let new Dish customers get a free Sling Adapter, 3 months of Blockbuster service free (both go into effect May 18th) while Blockbuster flicks will also be viewable on Dish receivers this summer. Other new developments on the way include 3D channels, with linear channels due this summer and two new set-top boxes in the three tuner XiP 813 and the XiP 110 multiroom extender that streams video from it. If you like to get your satellite on the go, it also showed off a new box called The Tailgater, which is apparently based on King Controls VuCube satellite setup for mobile homes, with will be priced at $349. Check out the post for all the details including hints on the Google TV app stuff that was announced earlier at I/O.

http://hd.engadget.com/2011/05/10/di...es-promises-3/
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post #6050 of 6565
5/14/11 at 9:31pm
I pulled the trigger on a HR24-500 tonight from Solid Signal. Should be here the middle of the week.
I will then set up all of my future recordings on it and as soon as all of the existing stuff is watched on Dish I'm pulling the plug on Dish.
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post #6051 of 6565
5/15/11 at 6:03am
Has anyone heard anything about the Montgomery locals broadcasting 3D in OTA????
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post #6052 of 6565
5/15/11 at 9:00am
I bet you that by the time a FOX affiliate is available in Montgomery on satellite, that it will be on another channel. FOX is at war with its affiliates over retrans, demanding AT LEAST .25 per subscriber (in the top 125 markets...including Montgomery). Two affiliates have already been dumped in Evansville, IN and Nampa, ID...being replaced by a subchannel on the CBS affiliate (joining MNTV) and the current CW affiliate, respectively. This may be the final straw for Woods Communications to have FOX on WCOV and Fox could end up anywhere from being a subchannel on WNCF, taking over WBMM, swapping affiliations with WAKA (especially since their parent company's flagship station is the FOX affiliate in Charlotte) or even....another subchannel on WSFA. FOX will follow the money and will throw any of their loyal affiliates under the bus if they have to.
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post #6053 of 6565
5/21/11 at 12:58pm
Half way through the program, the HD goes out....WCOV wants FOX to pay them fees, SURE.
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post #6054 of 6565
5/21/11 at 8:12pm
Lol! :d
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post #6055 of 6565
5/22/11 at 5:07am
Even though I get Fox-20 OTA connected to my Dish 622 receiver, Dish refuses to display any programming guide information...just the same "trying to gouge us" message as folks that get Fox-20 via Dish network sees.
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post #6056 of 6565
5/22/11 at 9:44am
Yep which means none of your DVR timers will work.
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post #6057 of 6565
5/23/11 at 8:50am
Anyone know the number of a dish installer in Prattville? I thought I knew the one that was on Hwy 31 by the Tacobell, but I guess I must be remembering wrong.
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post #6058 of 6565
5/23/11 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by 4bama View Post

Even though I get Fox-20 OTA connected to my Dish 622 receiver, Dish refuses to display any programming guide information...just the same "trying to gouge us" message as folks that get Fox-20 via Dish network sees.

Yeah, I saw that too.

Seems that Dish ought to be able to provide the program guide information for OTA since they get it from Tribune. This just reeks of strong arming Fox into submission at the expense of the viewer.
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post #6059 of 6565
5/25/11 at 10:59am
So I have Dish coming to setup everything on Friday. Can I connect an antenna directly into their HD DVR and just use that until Fox and Dish stop fighting?
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post #6060 of 6565
5/25/11 at 11:04am
cobolisdead

You can on the VIP722. What model will you be getting?
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