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post #6361 of 6620
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Originally Posted by sarasdad View Post

http://brighthouse.com/fl-al/about/10822.htm
Web sites says not complete till 9-27 also what is the other two stations with nothing playing yet

The HD channels are live in other markets like Birmingham. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27548322-Multi-Year-Deals-Signed-to-Carry-NFL-Network-NFL-Redzone. I was finally able to get a straight answer for someone at BH about HD. The system if full. Until they switch to SDV we won't get any more HD. That might be a while as everyone I talked to said they are concentrating on upgrading the road runner internet first.
post #6362 of 6620
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

Due to technical issues, the change to channel 31 has been rescheduled for tonight...and ..at this point in time..no plans to upgrade the WBMM transmitter..frown.gif

I just scanned UHF-31 with my Dish 622 and it locked to WAXC 31-01 in Alex City...is WNCF-32 really transmitting on UHF-31??

If so, is it in conflict with WAXC in Alex City?
post #6363 of 6620
Hopefully, we should be on Ch-31 in the next day or so. At that point, WAXC is scheduled to cease broadcasting on Ch-31 and move to Ch-32.
post #6364 of 6620
Thanks Bob....would you please reply to this post when all the switch-over is completed, then I'll delete both 31 and 32 and rescan...

Thanks for the feedback..
post #6365 of 6620
As of 4pm CST today..WNCF-DT has ceased transmission on RF channel 32. We are now transmitting from the WAKA tower at Gordonville on channel 31 at 720kw erp. Reception reports are more than welcome and appreciated.
post #6366 of 6620
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

As of 4pm CST today..WNCF-DT has ceased transmission on RF channel 32. We are now transmitting from the WAKA tower at Gordonville on channel 31 at 720kw erp. Reception reports are more than welcome and appreciated.

Just checked both 31 and 32 and getting zero signal levels from both...maybe a little early since you said 4pm and it's just 45 minutes later..

Will check again later tonight...but right now it's zero on both channels..
post #6367 of 6620
Getting a signal strength on my S3 Tivo floating between 98 and 100 around 5:45 today in Jasmine Hills, near Wetumpka.

Prior to the change, it was in the 70's.

I pushed a TIVO program guide update and it showed no data.


EDIT....just checked the Dish DVR VIP 722, ....signal strength is 100. It's usually higher than the Tivo, so that makes sense.
Edited by JimP - 9/26/12 at 6:01am
post #6368 of 6620
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

Hopefully, we should be on Ch-31 in the next day or so. At that point, WAXC is scheduled to cease broadcasting on Ch-31 and move to Ch-32.

The FCC's site still shows WAXC-LD as an app to move, nothing granted yet. I hope that's just the feds being slow as molasses as usual and this is already ready to go!
post #6369 of 6620
It's a displacement to a different channel and will have to go through a comment period. I imagine WAXC-LD will be filing an STA in the coming days.

- Trip
post #6370 of 6620
Signal from CH-31 is fading in and out at 8am here...right now it's at zero...the time it did lock the PSIP still displayed WAXC...no signal on 32.

Will check throughout the day, but it looks like the engineers/techs are still tinkering with the transmitter.
post #6371 of 6620
Bob, can you bring us up-to-date on status....no signal from 31 all day today???
post #6372 of 6620
WNCF on Channel 31 is fine. Most likely your issue is that WAXC has not ceased their broadcast on Ch-31 as scheduled.
post #6373 of 6620
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Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

WNCF on Channel 31 is fine. Most likely your issue is that WAXC has not ceased their broadcast on Ch-31 as scheduled.

That's not the problem IMHO...I can set my 622 tuner to UHF-31 and get zero signal level...if WAXC was still transmitting on 31 I would see some signal strength....it's been zero since very early this morning...My RF strength meter does not care who is transmitting on UHF-31, if a RF signal is present it would show signal strength even if it can't lock to the PSIP....it shows zero signal strength on 31..

Anyone else see OTA signal on UHF-31??
post #6374 of 6620
Ok, Then let us know when you figure it out.. smile.gif Because we are seeing it just fine here on Harrison Road.
post #6375 of 6620
If the two signals are around the same level at your receiver, they may cancel each other out and appear as 0 on a signal quality meter.

- Trip
post #6376 of 6620
More local info here: http://montgomerytvandradio.net/
post #6377 of 6620
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

If the two signals are around the same level at your receiver, they may cancel each other out and appear as 0 on a signal quality meter.
- Trip

Yep..At which point, the receiver sees only "noise"..:
post #6378 of 6620
Well, the "cancel" theory may be valid, but I can assure you no RF energy is measured here on UHF-31...late last night I did get about 60% signal on UHF-32 but no PSIP locked..

I set my tuner to UHF-42 and get a 100% signal and PSIP for Channel 8...my tuner is working fine, just no signal strength at all from UHF-31, and I just checked it again..

If you're transmitting on UHF-31 it must be a very weak signal...I was getting 75% when you were on the original UHF-32 frequency.....so somethings amiss, unless the "cancel" theory is at work with two stations transmitting on UHF-31...

Seems someone at WCNF would call WAXC and verify they are not using your "approved" UHF-31 frequency...

Because you're not reaching the viewers here...
post #6379 of 6620
4Bama

Don't know if your 622 works the same way as my 722 but I had to go into the menu and basically do a channel scan in the "locals" menu.

On the bright side....the program guide is fully populated.


Can't say the same for the Tivo.

....and yes, I'm using the Dish satellite DVR to record ABC till the program guide in the TIVO is worked out.
post #6380 of 6620
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

4Bama
Don't know if your 622 works the same way as my 722 but I had to go into the menu and basically do a channel scan in the "locals" menu.
On the bright side....the program guide is fully populated.
Can't say the same for the Tivo.
....and yes, I'm using the Dish satellite DVR to record ABC till the program guide in the TIVO is worked out.

Jim, the 622 has two methods of adding OTA channels...one is the auto-scan, which starts at VHF-2 and steps through all VHF channels then through UHF channels 14-69.

The second menu option is to "Add a local channel" and if I select that from the menu you can enter the channel frequency you want to add...(31 or 32 in this case)...this is the method used if all other channels are stored from the auto-scan.

Doing another auto-scan will bring in distant channels that "skip" in from Georgia and Mississippi that I don't want and I have to select them and delete them..

I've used the "Add a local channel" option for many years...

That menu screen for "Add a channel" has a signal strength meter from 0-100, the strength bar (horizontal indicator) is Red if it can't lock to the PSIP and Green if it can...and it then displays the PSIP channel number that will be stored with that frequency.

Right now there is zero signal strength (not red or green, just no signal detected) from UHF-31 or UHF-32...if I key in other legitimate channel numbers, like 42, I get the green bar for 100% strength and PSIP of CBS-8....this is true for all other Montgomery locals...they all work correctly except for 31 (and 32)...
post #6381 of 6620
OK, I decided to confirm the lack of signal from UHF-31 and UHF-32 so I disconnected my antenna from my Dish 622 DVR and connected it to my Sanyo 55" HDTV, which has its own digital tuner.

I let it do a complete scan and it locked all Montgomery channels except WCNF (UHF-31)...no signal...it also did not find a signal for WAXC (uhf-32)..

So something is seriously wrong with the WCNF OTA signal....as I mentioned in a previous post, I had no problem getting WCNF (about a 60% signal level on my 622) before this change-over started...

I hope the engineers/techs/programmers at WCNF correct the problem soon.
post #6382 of 6620
4bama

Just a thought but is it possible that you're overdriving the signal given your 70' tower and preamp?

I have a signal attinuator you can have if you'd like to give that a try.
post #6383 of 6620
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

4bama
Just a thought but is it possible that you're overdriving the signal given your 70' tower and preamp?
I have a signal attinuator you can have if you'd like to give that a try.

No Jim, there just isn't any energy to measure from UHF-31....NBC-12, CBS-8 and Fox-20 peg the meter but scan in OK....ABC-32 has no measurable signal. APT-26 is the weakest of the Montgomery stations now but it comes in at 85%....ABC-32 was the weakest before the change-over and it was then about 60-65%.

I just checked while I'm typing this and still no energy to measure on UHF-31 but on UHF-32 I have a 64% signal but no PSIP is decoded...says it's channel 0, which means it can't decode any PSIP...

All other Montgomery stations lock in OK with all but APT-26 => 100% signal strength..

Something is basically and drastically wrong with the ABC-32 signal if they are truly trying to transmit on UHF-31.

I get ABC-32 OK on 22-02 with signal strength of 75% right now,,

As noted in previous post I have now confirmed with two independent digital tuners, the one on my 622, and the one on my Sanyo HDTV, that ABC-32 has a serious problem and no signal strength to even measure here...all other channels scan in great with both tuners.
post #6384 of 6620
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Originally Posted by 4bama View Post

Something is basically and drastically wrong with the ABC-32 signal if they are truly trying to transmit on UHF-31.
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You need to read more and type less. Two people have given you the answer as to what the problem is and you are unable to comprehend it. Your tuners will not show any signal on Ch-31 because they can only detect two types of signals..Analog and a clean 8VSB digital signal.(or QAM if on cable) Since there are two Ch-31 digital carriers hitting your tuners, and probably at a high level due to your tower and preamp..They see only noise as they cannot discern a clean pilot, so they wont display any signal at all.

Once the offending carrier is no longer transmitting, you will receive Ch-31 just fine. You can continue to argue with those of us who actually build an operate Tv transmitters, or wait and see. wink.gif

We have had very few phone calls here..thus far all have been resolved with a rescan.smile.gif
post #6385 of 6620
We are about to move to a new house off of Redland Road. I called DirecTV to see if they still bundled with ATT and, sure enough, they do. I can get Choice Ultimate with 6 meg ATT for $20 less than the very good deal I get with Brighthouse. Plus I would pick up about 40 more HD channels and VOD. I had DirecTV before the days of HD. I liked it. I had Dish HD for years and was very pleased with it. I only switched to BH to save money on a bundle. The PQ on BH is better than Dish though. Anyone here been able to compare BH's PQ with DirecTV? What are your thoughts? How about Dish v. DirecTV? Also, anyone in the Redland area have ATT 6-meg service? Is it really 6-meg? Thanks for any input.
post #6386 of 6620
Having Dish and DirecTv, I like DirecTv better. Much nicer, faster and smoother user interface IMHO. I have U-Verse for internet as I am too far away from the V-Rad for video here, not that I would switch from DirecTv having been a sub since day one.
post #6387 of 6620
jtrippe,

Are you sure you can get DSL on Redland Road?

That's not far from where I live and when I checked a few months ago, DSL wasn't available from ATT.
post #6388 of 6620
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

jtrippe,

Are you sure you can get DSL on Redland Road?

That's not far from where I live and when I checked a few months ago, DSL wasn't available from ATT.

Both AT&T and direcTV looked it up for me and said that service was available where the new addresses is.
post #6389 of 6620
Well CrackPot DTv Engnear, I just got off the phone with Jeremy Jeffcoat, station manager at WAXC, and he confirmed they were still broadcasting on UHF-31, and something to the effect that poor planning on the part of WNCF did not create an emergency for WAXC...and he also thought my RF meter should see energy on UHF-31 even if the signals could not be decoded...

Anyway, he said their engineering/tech team would be switching from UHF-31 to UHF-32 sometimes this afternoon if all goes well, and that you should have had that schedule too..

I'll keep checking and report back if/when the problem is resolved...
post #6390 of 6620
OK, Jeremy Jeffcoat just called and said they had just switched from UHF-31 to UHF-32, and I scanned both channels and locked OK to WNCF and WAXC.

I jotted down the following signal strength numbers for the channels I now have stored in my 622:

WAKA -8 96%
WSFA -12 98%
WCOV-20 100%
WBMM-22 72%
WAIQ -26 90%
WBIH -29 72%
WAXC-31 60%
WNCF-32 75%
WMCF-45 75%

The national weather map is a nice feature on 32-3 and 22-3...and local radar on 8-3..

Was sorta expecting a stronger signal from WNCF....are you at full power now?
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