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post #1381 of 11032
Ack! Stop calling it compression. That is so NOT what is happening. Its a different type of modulation, sending packets at a faster rate, thus increasing the amount of bandwidth. Nothing is compressed, bitrates don't change. Compression is such an ugly nasty word and is not the way to describe what cable companies are working to do. Compression lowers quality, modulation just allows more to be put into the same bandwidth.
post #1382 of 11032
You beat me to it scoops....
post #1383 of 11032
Fine, modulation then. The substance of my question (how will Comcast manage its resources in the event of digital must-carry?) remains the same. Perhaps you've an opinion on the matter?
post #1384 of 11032
My whole take on that particular situation, is that nobody wants to be the bad guy in this situation. So, I think the FCC will allow some leaniency in the situation, but I also assume that Comcast will employ some marketing techniques way before the changes are necessary. In fact I believe they are starting now by pushing their digital cable line to as many customers as possible, with very good offers which I assume will only get better as time goes on.....Yes people will be upset when its finally mandated, but I think Comcasts' plan is to limit the amount....This is all just pure speaculation of course.........In the end no one will know until that time comes......
post #1385 of 11032
I am sure that Comcast will be pushing more analog channels to digital over the next year to free up space for more HDTV over the air channels.Hope that WB56 and UPN 38 will be going on line soon. Any idea from OTA watchers if Channel 27 and 66 feeds on their digital channels is better on their analog channel? Also would love to see the PBS mulitcast from GBX 44. Finally, any ideas when WBPX 68 and WMFP 62 will get the digital transmitter going. More than 18 months since May 2002 mandate.
post #1386 of 11032
In my opinion, Comcast will do whatever is necessary to comply. I personally think the FCC has been out of control since the start of this Bush administration. But anyways, there is still a great number of SD channels that have yet to be modified (I scanned through the channels with my DCT 2000) from 64 to 256 QAM. That could be an upcoming project. I'm not sure what is on tap right now. Sometimes I feel you all are better informed then the depart I am in. But I could always take a walk and see a field tech supervisor to get some insight.

Right now, in terms of competing, I would like to see other HD channels added. I am not interested in local channels coming on HD. I would love to see the Celtics and for Comcast to finally sign a deal with NBA TV.

Anyways, everything depends on what the FCC mandates. I'm still hoping Congress and the FCC start pushing for DirecTV and Dish Network to have to go by the same rules as wired cable companies.
post #1387 of 11032
Hey therob006, what are you hearing as to the time frame for availability of the Motorola 6208 for the Boston area? Thanks!
post #1388 of 11032
If the digital channels are not compressed , why does the quality vary from channel to channel. Some of the channels look pristine while others have a lot of artifacts. Eg: The analog discovery channel looks good ,while the all the digital discovery channels are crappy. The hbo digital tier looks good while the encore tier seems to have problems. Does it also depend on the frequeny at which the channels are modulated.
post #1389 of 11032
The frequency of the channel doesn't effect picture quality (aside from blocking/tiling if you have levels issues). Picture quality is dependant on the bitrate of the video. The bitrate of the video is dependant on who is doing the encoding. Since the encoding is generally handled by the service provider or sattellite provider, it can vary. Some digital channels will look better then others because of the bitrates. If you look at HITS' service offering on their webpage, you'll see that in some cases they cram 10-12 services into a 64 QAM pod... at 10 services, that around 2.5 mbps per stream. For decent video quality, you'll usually find 3.5 - 4.0 mbps of video stream bandwidth.

When dealing with digital video from Sat (DirecTV/Dish) or from Cable Cos, there is no compression. Digital video in this form can't be compressed, just the bitrate changed to raise or lower the overall bandwidth that the stream uses. Sat and Cable providers use MPEG-2 as their encoding standard. There are other encoding standards out there like MPEG-4 and DIVX, but those are primarily computer formats and you won't find them in use by Sat/Cable for quite some time to come. But in the end, its all about the manipulation of bitrates and encoding, there is no compression. Compression would be taking that 3.5 mbps video stream, dumping it to a file on a computer, and then ZIPing it or RARing it into a compressed file (which of course can't be played until its uncompressed).

Without getting really into the heavy technical details of how MPEG video works, this is about the best explanation that I can give.

To know the difference between picture quality (PQ) and a levels related issues effecting the digital data itself you can usually tell by what you see.

If you are seeing tiling, where parts of the screen or the whole screen will seem to go like into a checkerboard and square pieces of the picture will come and go (or you get something like One Moment Please on Moto boxes), you have a levels issue.

If you are seeing things like say color blending... this one is hard to explain. Take for instance looking at someone's teeth. In real life you can see their individual white teeth with tiny black gaps/lines in between. When you have a lower bitrate the encoding process is actually averaging the pixels more. So instead of seeing individual teeth, you might see those black lines become larger gaps. Or looking at someone's eyes you can see differences in color, whereas the lower the bitrate, the more the encoding is doing pixel averaging and you'll start to see a more uniform color (generally black as the encoding process will average the pupil to be wider). The lower the bitrate, the fuzzier and/or grainer the picture will appear.
post #1390 of 11032
well the Pats game is on ch 804 right now in HD and looks very nice!
post #1391 of 11032
No HD for the game here.

EDIT: Just switched back to HD.
post #1392 of 11032
very strange. Just after I posted the game was on it went away. is this a frequent occurance?
post #1393 of 11032
Probably still working the kinks out, I noticed several problems during CSI the other night, it may take some time for things to run smoothly.
post #1394 of 11032
I have watched the game from the kick off. I has been in HD for the most part, but did stop for about 10 minutes. I have seem some problems with signal breaking up in a checkerboard pattern. It was particular bad right before the signal switched over to SD. After an ad break it swtiched back to HDTV. So far so good though I also keep hearing some random audio clicks during the broadcast.

In general, CBS-HD is good and particular impressive for a first showing on Comcast. That said, I think that ESPN/ABC do a better job with HD. Their image just seems to be a bit sharper.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Go Pats!!!!

JL
post #1395 of 11032
I agree with you entirely. Kudos to Comcast for getting 804 going. CBS seems to have some work to do versus ABC/MNF. BTW, the announcers did mention that they were having some technical difficulties, so I don't think the first half problems were on Comcast's end.
post #1396 of 11032
cbs broadcast was terrrible. audio problems then lost HD several times. had some folks over, always fun trying to explain that. hope they get it together for the playoffs & superbowl.
post #1397 of 11032
I like the fact that CBS doesn't center-cut their scorebug (as ABC, ESPN and NESN do), and that they were willing to do the extra work for us to put it where it looks best.
post #1398 of 11032
I had some minor problems in the first half. HD went to SD for about 10 minutes then came back to HD. The sound(DD 5.1) was popping very frequently every minute or so. Well I fell asleep in the second half so can't comment on what happened there!
post #1399 of 11032
Quote:


Originally posted by jl_678
I have watched the game from the kick off. I has been in HD for the most part, but did stop for about 10 minutes. I have seem some problems with signal breaking up in a checkerboard pattern. It was particular bad right before the signal switched over to SD. After an ad break it swtiched back to HDTV. So far so good though I also keep hearing some random audio clicks during the broadcast.

In general, CBS-HD is good and particular impressive for a first showing on Comcast. That said, I think that ESPN/ABC do a better job with HD. Their image just seems to be a bit sharper.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Go Pats!!!!

JL

I have to agree. Much the same with the Audio issues during the 1st quarter and same on the HD dropouts.

While I did enjoy the game in HD, I prefer the Monday Night football presentation much better. I understand 1080i isn't so great for sports, which is why 720p looks better?

Comments?
post #1400 of 11032
So maybe that explains why when I flipped on the game at the beginning of the 4th to show my future wife the great PQ it looked like SD upcoverted.. good to know.

She did like the hawaii video on 881 though.

Chris
post #1401 of 11032
Quick question: BobColby was talking about Comcast PVR boxes in the Boston area. What are they looking at using? Dual tuners? Still TV Guide?
post #1402 of 11032
It depends on how quickly they launch.......if its first quarter 04 expect the 6208 with an different looking TV guide, if summer 04 probably the 6408, with the same "enhanced TV Guide"....I use the term "enhanced" loosely.....
post #1403 of 11032
I agree with you on "enchanced". I have heard a rumor that even though the data will be stored on the HD for added look-ahead, it will still be a VERY restricted guide. Not as good as Tivo or Replay (I own multiple Replays). Do you know if this unit is a dual-tuner? I have seen an S/A 8000 and am very impressed by it. Thanks miatasm!
post #1404 of 11032
Does anyone know what happend to INHD2? When we got CBS HD (804)here North of Boston 882 (INDH2) completely dissapeared.. not only from the Motorola box, but Tivo now says 882 is gone..

Any ideas?
post #1405 of 11032
882 ( InHD2) should be back on Jan 13th. Enjoy the bruins games on InHD( 881) for now.
post #1406 of 11032
There is no data for the guide stored on the HD. The DCT DVR has more memory & a better processor, that allow the "better" EPG. The EPG is still lacking in the "personality" dept. But I don't mind it as long as it functional. If you look at my FAQ below you would have known that the 6208 is a single tuner & 6408 is a dual tuner.
post #1407 of 11032
Quote:


Originally posted by miatasm
There is no data for the guide stored on the HD. The DCT DVR has more memory & a better processor, that allow the "better" EPG. The EPG is still lacking in the "personality" dept. But I don't mind it as long as it functional.

Is there an equivalent of TiVo's "Season Pass", or does one have to record each program individually? What about Wishlists (the ability to save a large number of keyword searches)? Those two features determine 90% of what gets TiVoed in this house. I can't begin to list the programs I'd have missed without them.
post #1408 of 11032
I still am amazed at the picture on the HD source material... even after months of it. Just amazing.

Chris
post #1409 of 11032
Quote:


Originally posted by BobColby
Is there an equivalent of TiVo's "Season Pass", or does one have to record each program individually? What about Wishlists (the ability to save a large number of keyword searches)? Those two features determine 90% of what gets TiVoed in this house. I can't begin to list the programs I'd have missed without them.

Nope neither of those are in the current version, but are expected as upgrades in the future.....
post #1410 of 11032
Thanks for pointing out the 6208 is single-tuner (unfortunately). I am reading the FAQ now! Again, many thanks.
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