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post #31 of 368
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Originally posted by Ken Ross
Don't bet on it Mike. This DVI/HDCP thing is picking up steam like crazy.
As soon as manufacturers start adding tuners to their sets to meet the FCC mandate which is just around the corner, they will all support 1394. DVI is already fading with the implementation of HDMI. Toshiba has already announced its support for 1394 and they were pro DVI.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
post #32 of 368
For all the good it will do you, they may well have analog component outputs (YPbPr) on the first few years of HD-Dvd players, but they are certainly not going to be releasing any HD-Dvd player/recorder without HDCP/HDMI - DVI or 5C - IEEE1394a digital output.

If the Hollywood software or the source is encypted (protected by 5C or HDCP/HDMI) which it will be, then those analog component outputs (YPbPr) on the back of your new shiny Hd-Dvd player may as well not be available. Hollywood will make it so that, the whole chain is protected via an encrypted digital connection if you use their source material. It is already gathering a full head of steam and nothing we can do will stop it now.

You will however get unencrypted HD if you buy a HD camcorder and record it to a recordable Bluray disk yourself. Personal Birthdays and Wedding video is about the limit for available unencrypted Hd-Dvd. They are not going to make the same easy mistakes they made with Dvd.

Dvd proved just too easy to copy. So giving out HDCP/HDMI and 5C encryption keys will be made much tougher. Sure someone will eventually crack it, but the major commercial groups are not going to be any part of that hacking or selling equipment that gets around this protection.

DavidW
post #33 of 368
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Hollywood will make it so that, the whole chain is protected via an encrypted digital connection if you use their source material. It is already gathering a full head of steam and nothing we can do will stop it now.
They wish! ;)

- Tom
post #34 of 368
dvi is hostile to users and so I can see why firewire will be embreced by CE companies eventually... People want more options not less, they know this.
post #35 of 368
David W: Here is a quote from Sigma Designs website as to what will happen if a device's encryption/decryption keys are cracked: " If a device's encryption/decryption keys have been compromised, the HDCP licensing administrator places the compromised device on a revocation list carried by System Renewability Messages (SRMs). SRMs are passed on to devices via prerecorded or broadcasted content, or received from another compliant devices. Thus, once a device has been compromised, it will eventually no longer be able to send or receive encrypted content. Re-authentication occurs approximately every two seconds to continuously confirm the security of the DVI or HDMI interface. If, at any time reauthentication does not occur, for example by disconnecting a device and/or connecting an illegal recording device, the source device (such as a DVD player or set-top box) ends transmission of encrypted content." So, if you crack the keys on a HDMI-DVI/HDCP device of yours; Big Brother (who will be watching and waiting) will put the device on a list and a message will be sent to your device via: an HD-DVD that you buy or rent, a HD broadcast that you watch, or by another HDMI-DVI/HDCP device that you own, which will result in your device no longer being able to output HDMI-DVI/HDCP CPed content. THIS SU*KS BIG TIME!!!! But there's nothing that you or I can do to stop it. 99% of the people who bought an HD display this weekend don't know about this issue; and even if you explained it to them, they won't care. As I stated in an earlier post; the MPAA has won the CP war. Not with a bullet, but with an interface: HDMI-DVI/HDCP. Dick
post #36 of 368
post #37 of 368
It's out !!
SONY annouced today the market release of the first Blu-ray HD recorder (In Japan).

Release date is April 10, 2003.


It has HD component out, firewire in/out and a built-in HDTV tuner (for Japan HDTV only).

Slight problem though: its list price is $4000 ..(450,000Yen).

Also, the 2 hour (maximum disk storage capacity available is 23Gb) blank disk costs $30 !! (3500 yen list).

http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/P...00303/03-0303/

With those prices, It looks like we will keep our D-VHS recorders for a while...


Rob
post #38 of 368
Interesting that

1. Max 2 hrs record time.

2. Max resolution 1080i.

3. No mention of pc/data recording.

I wonder - Is RF the only HDTV input?

The media cost is less than I was expecting.

Joe
post #39 of 368
I noticed that highest data rate for HD is 24Mbps. That is lower than D-VHS.
post #40 of 368
It records HD from Japanese satellite. It also takes HD thru firewire but highest data rate is 24Mbps.
post #41 of 368
Also,

No DVI out. But includes HDTV tuner for both sat & OTA.

Yes, the media cost is reasonable.

I like what I see so far, except the price.

MAB
post #42 of 368
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I noticed that highest data rate for HD is 24Mbps. That is lower than D-VHS.
But still higher than the 19.4 maximum used for broadcast (and current/expected satellite) HDTV in the U.S.
post #43 of 368
This is cool. My bet is that if Sony releases a BluRay product in this country, it will cost under $2000 even if ships for Christmas. This is not based on specific information, just general feelings about differences between our market and theirs.

Media is pretty cheap and will be even cheaper here (I bet).

/carmi
post #44 of 368
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No DVI out. But includes HDTV tuner for both sat & OTA.
It has two firewire connections. Probably, this can be used with a HD STB like Samsung T165 which has DVI-output.
post #45 of 368
Drooooooooooooling...wonder if that firewire in will do data?...I SOOOOO want it.


Darius
post #46 of 368
BTW does Blu-Ray use MPEG-2 compression as well ??
post #47 of 368
Any one find this press release in English?
post #48 of 368
Here is a link to the article.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/879923.asp

Releasing next month in Japan for a cool $3800. I can record HD for 2 hours.

EDIT: Hmm.. looks like this needs to be the recorder forum.. which of course, it already is. I usually don't go to that forum though. My mistake!
post #49 of 368
I just want to say -- I TOLD YOU SO to the arrogant idiot who thought I had my head in the sand dreaming and that this was not possible. I bet him a lavish dinner that HD DVD would be in the stores in North America in one form or another by Xmas 2003. All indications are that I will be proven correct.
post #50 of 368
I would guess the first year or so media will be high priced. as will teh player/recorders for the first 6 months. so for me dvhs will contimue to get heavy use. but glad to see it coming. :)
post #51 of 368
Not asking more but, I wish it included a hard drive similar to the current dvd recorders. Maybe the second generation.

Now that sony is out, others will rush as well...by xmas, we may see at least three different devices.

I can not believe it is happening so soon and from Sony itself first to market.
post #52 of 368
I would definitely buy one in a heart beat, but it only seems to only have a single DV input (i-link) for connecting a regular digital video camera. I do not believe this is for HD source input.

It also has no fire-wire or DVI output.

The only digital input/output seems to be the 2x proprietary "S200" connectors for hooking up two Blu-Ray machines digitally. What a shame, as I could use more achieve methods over my two Jvc 30ks. The $4k for each machine is fine as far as I am concerned. Its just that the Sony BDZ-S77 we are seeing here seems to be not for anything other than BS Digital Satellite, Japanese terrestrial TV and a regular DV camcorder.

Am I missing something?


DavidW
post #53 of 368
the media is reasonable? hmm i must be doing the conversion wrong. appox 30 dollar us
post #54 of 368
I don't know if it is our hits but the above page keeps getting updated with new images of the device by the hour.
post #55 of 368
I don't see any component outputs. Does this have to be hooked up via firewire?

Rick
post #56 of 368
"Line out" in the back picture depicts what I think a proprietary Japanese connector for hidef.

No doubt the US version will include component and vga out, if not dvi as well.
post #57 of 368
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Originally posted by MAB
"Line out" in the back picture depicts what I think a proprietary Japanese connector for hidef.

No doubt the US version will include component and vga out, if not dvi as well.
Is it a sure thing that a US version will become available?
post #58 of 368
We all know saying "I told you so" is childish Mike.... ?;~)

I would like to be a fly on the wall for that meeting with Sony Electronics and Columbia....

"You DID WHAAAT!! You MFer!, you MFer! Now all the pirates will steal our movies!"

"Dude, chill, man!" "We put totally strong encryption on that baby, so people can't share stuff..." *finger crosses behind back*..."Anyways, it's not like we're the only people who can do blue-ray. Someone else would surely come out with it if we don't."

Darius
post #59 of 368
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I don't know if it is our hits but the above page keeps getting updated with new images of the device by the hour.
Sure does keep changing.
It also seems strange how it has one component output yet it has
3x S-Video inputs
2x S-Video outputs
3x Composite inputs
2x Composite outputs

This is after all a HD recorder/player.
I will be interested in the full description of the S200 connector and what is proprietary with BluRay.

DavidW
post #60 of 368
actually sustained throughput is 36 Mbps on this. But 2 hours only ??? They claim 3 types of media so far 23.3 , 25, 27 Gb disk.
Oh, no ! What will happen to the dream of people who archived 1080i movies ? What if the movies is longer then 2:00. Do you think the larger capacity of the disk will follow - logically yes. Having my fingers crossed ! :)
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