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post #151 of 5011
Hello

New to all the HDTV hardware, although I have purchased a 34xbr800 and enjoy it. Right now I am using TWC for all HDTV programming.

Was hoping some of you guys could help me out with hardware info if I was to switch to DirecTV.

I am located in Perth NY. (5 miles north of Amsterdam) . Any advice on Receiver, antenna, amp that I should purchase? Or will it be possible at all to receive any of the Albany OTA channels?

Right now I am considering the HD300 from Sony.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Joe
post #152 of 5011
Quote:
Originally posted by Ultrix
That sucks, cause the Victoria's Secret fashion show is scheduled to be on CBS tomorrow in HD, and with the WRGB's low power transmitter I can't get OTA, and with TWC still working on an agreement, it doesn't look like I'll be able to watch .

I was going to go out and buy an HD tuner and indoor powered antenna for my Mits 65411 today since I'm almost ready to tell TWC to go F*** themselves. Now I have to go spend $400 when I shouldn't need to and have to worry about getting most of my money back (selling it on E-Bay) when I go with Direct TV early next year.



There are a lot of shows I want to get in HD thru CBS...The Victoria Secrets show tonight (CBS), NFL Miami at Dallas on Thanksgiving (CBS), NFL Playoffs and The Super Bowl (CBS)....to mention a few

Does anyone know if I can pick up WRGB-DT OTA in 12205 zip code area with the current low transmission??
post #153 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by lufters
Does anyone know if I can pick up WRGB-DT OTA in 12205 zip code area with the current low transmission??

With a rooftop-antenna correctly aimed it should be no problem.


Quote:
Originally posted by joeorp
I am located in Perth NY. (5 miles north of Amsterdam) . Any advice on Receiver, antenna, amp that I should purchase? Or will it be possible at all to receive any of the Albany OTA channels?

Right now I am considering the HD300 from Sony.

Rooftop or towertop uni-directional antenna with rotor and line amp would be a safe choice. You should be able to receive the Full-Power network affiliates.

The SONY HD300&200, the ZENITH SAT520 and the LG 3200A are the most highly recommended. I just did all the research and bought a SAT520 on eBay to replace my old PANASONIC TU-HDS20 (Which sucks.)
post #154 of 5011
The Dish Network requires the use of 2 seperate dishes if you plan on receiving HD programming, one dish for standard broadcast and the other for HD..

Is this also true for Directv HD?
post #155 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by BreakStuff
The Dish Network requires the use of 2 separate dishes if you plan on receiving HD programming, one dish for standard broadcast and the other for HD..

Is this also true for Directv HD?

DirecTV uses an elliptical 3 LNB dish for HD setups that communicates with 3 orbital locations simultaneously. DirecTV has more sports in HD with NFL: ST. There are many choices for a set top box.

DISH will be switching to their "Superdish" plan in a few months or less. This will eliminate the need for more than one satellite on your roof. DISH's HD is of higher picture quality and their monthly services cost less.

DISH has Albany locals now in SD, DirecTV will have Albany locals in SD very soon. Neither will have locals in HD for a very very long time... if ever. You will still want a rooftop antenna for the locals in HD.
post #156 of 5011
Thank you MasterFX1

You say that the DISH Network is better quality and lower priced...Is it that much of a difference?

Thanks again

joe
post #157 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by joeorp
You say that the DISH Network is better quality and lower priced...Is it that much of a difference?

Price: Depending on how many packages you get you'll save $5-$10 bucks a month.

PQ: Depends on how big your tv is, in my opinion. The bigger the screen, the more of difference you would notice. If your screen is 30+ inches... you can definately see a difference during complicated shots and during high effect scenes in movies like Star Wars II or LOTR: The Two Towers. The problem is that DirecTV compresses their HD channel's bandwidth too much. I put up with them for now because the hardware is too expensive to keep switching back and forth.
post #158 of 5011
Quote:
Originally posted by MasterFX1
Price: Depending on how many packages you get you'll save $5-$10 bucks a month.

PQ: Depends on how big your tv is, in my opinion. The bigger the screen, the more of difference you would notice. If your screen is 30+ inches... you can definitely see a difference during complicated shots and during high effect scenes in movies like Star Wars II or LOTR: The Two Towers. The problem is that DirecTV compresses their HD channel's bandwidth too much. I put up with them for now because the hardware is too expensive to keep switching back and forth.

According to what I've read, DirectTV's quality should be improving dramatically soon....that's one reason why (among others ) I'm thinking about it for early next year but I want to see how this pans out first.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=321636
post #159 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by lufters
According to what I've read, DirectTV's quality should be improving dramatically soon

DirecTV's ability to offer HD programming from the Spaceway satellites would not be available for public consumption for about a year at the soonest. In this day and age, everything can and will change in a year. I would not "Bank" on this yet at all. There are many technical issues that D* will have to overcome to make the possibilities discussed in the thread you linked to a reality. DISH's superdish plan was supposed to happen months ago and be big seller for this Holiday season, but it hasn't yet. Don't make decisions on long term speculation... D* will be changing ownership very soon and who knows what the new boss has in mind.
post #160 of 5011
Anyone have a contact/email at TW that we can call or send email to? Looks like WRGB and WNYT are in the same boat. Apparently TW needs to hear from a lot of their users to modify their agreement.

Quote:


Originally posted by lufters
It looks like we (us subscribers) need to start harassing TWC. I e-mailed WNYT..........Looks like a complete stalemate!


-----Original Message-----
From: John Luft [mailto:jlworld@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:36 PM
To: rklein@wnyt.com; sbaboulis@wnyt.com
Subject: Digital signal and Time Warner Cable

Hello,

I was wondering when you would have a deal in place with Time Warner Cable to feed your new digital signal to them.

If you do have a deal with them already.....when do you think we will see the new channel on TWC?

Thanks,

John Luft
Albany, NY


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Baboulis
To: 'John Luft'
Cc: Laura Sousa
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: Digital signal and Time Warner Cable


Dear John,
Thank you for your e-mail. As you may know, our new digital signal is available over the air, as of mid-October. Unfortunately, there is currently no deal with Time-Warner for the retransmission of our digital signal on their cable system.
It is our expectation, as the provider of the signal, that the ENTIRE signal should be aired as we have sent it out. Time Warner, along with other cable providers, wishes to reserve the right to "modify" our signal, if they so choose. For instance, if WNYT broadcasts a full high-definition signal, then the cable companies say they'd have no problem sending out the full signal to all of their subscribers. However, if WNYT provided a split digital signal, perhaps including a 24 hour news or weather service, a home shopping channel, etc., then the cable operators insist on reserving the right to "strip out" any channels they wish (perhaps the ones they view as competitors to their own services). There are some other issues, but this is the main area of disagreement.
It is my hope that as more consumers buy digital tv's, they will demand of their cable operators full carriage of the local broadcasters' ENTIRE digital signal. Until then, our signal will be available by using an over-the-air antenna.
Thank you for taking the time to write.

Steve Baboulis-VP/GM
WNYT-TV
post #161 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by MasterFX1
Peter Taubkin is the VP of Government Relations and Public Affairs for Time Warner Cable in our region. His e-mail address is peter.taubkin@twcable.com.
post #162 of 5011
How about we cc: corporate headquarters, too. Do you know an email for them?
post #163 of 5011
Now with Cable rates going up AGAIN....

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...ate=11/26/2003

I seriously think TWC wants people to leave them and go over to satellite. I guess their billion dollar profit isn't enough.

I couldn't wait for them any longer and went out and bought a STB w/ a RCA Powered Indoor antenna so I could get WRGB and WNYT digitally. Hopefully TWC will ink out a deal with the locals soon ( I'm not holding my breath) so I can return or sell the STB on E-bay and get most of my money back. I don't want to switch over to DirecTV yet since I plan on moving soon.

I bought the Samsung-T351 with the RCA High Power (35-45dB) ANT1250 indoor antenna...I get excellent reception on both WRGB and WNYT digital stations at my 12205 address.

Now I can watch tomorrows Miami @ Dallas NFL game in HD along with the NFL playoffs and Super bowl without relying on unreliable TWC.

I'm going to throw TWC an e-mail soon. Could someone post that corporate headquarters e-mail? It sounds like a good idea to include them on the VP of Government Relations and Public Affairs one.
post #164 of 5011
Hey lufters,

I also picked up a Samsung SIRT-351 but I've been having problems with audio dropouts. I hooked it up to a Radio Shack 80" antenna in the attick and the picture quality is great (pretty good picking up north adams even) but on WRGB and WNYT I am getting a hefty number of audio dropouts. Something like 10 every 30 minutes. Have you had this problem? I'm getting 9 bars on the signal strength for WNYT and WRGB and 8 bars for North Adams.
post #165 of 5011
Thread Starter 
I experienced audio dropouts last night on WNYT-DT and also had a great signal on my meter. Normally, though, I have not had this problem. Could be on their end and not ours.
post #166 of 5011
MasterFX, which STB do you have?
post #167 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Zenith Sat520, It wasn't WNYT. I am now experiencing the Drop-Outs on all channels. Due to loose cable jack connection.
post #168 of 5011
For what its worth...

I am not experiencing any audio dropouts..
however, I am receiving the WNYT-DT signal at 44% when it should be closer to 70%.. all the other channels SD/DTV are at normal reception..

I am also a proud owner of a Zenith HDV420 STB purchased from ebay, but unfortunately I don't have my digital tv yet..
post #169 of 5011
Quote:


Originally posted by ken.martin
Hey lufters,

I also picked up a Samsung SIRT-351 but I've been having problems with audio dropouts. I hooked it up to a Radio Shack 80" antenna in the attick and the picture quality is great (pretty good picking up north adams even) but on WRGB and WNYT I am getting a hefty number of audio dropouts. Something like 10 every 30 minutes. Have you had this problem? I'm getting 9 bars on the signal strength for WNYT and WRGB and 8 bars for North Adams.

I was somewhat reluctant to buy the Samsung since I've been hearing bad things about it....but since it was available locally and I don't plan on keeping it that long, it wasn't that big of a deal.

I would have to say I've had a very steady picture and sound since Mon. I've had an audio drop out here and there (probably the network)...but that's about it. I was pretty surprised that I picked up WRGB since they're on low power, but I have almost full signal strength for both WRGB and WNYT.

At first I had a hard time getting to WRGB with constant drop outs (with close to a full signal)but according to what I've read, it was because of interference within my house (walls, appliances, etc.). I moved the power antenna closer to a window, made some adjustments, and never had a problem since.

Tomorrow will be a good test when I watch the entire Miami at Dallas NFL game on WRGB in HD .
post #170 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Albany Schenectady Troy DTV Update

WRGB-DT has moved to the community tower and is now transmitting in High-Power!

My Panasonic TU-HDS20 cannot receive the signal (No signal meter)
My Zenith SAT520 can receive the signal (Signal meter sits on the line between "Normal" and "Good")
post #171 of 5011
Here's what's strange then, if WRGB is transmitting in high power.

I can get WTEN and WNYT on my Radio shack indoor antenna (the $50 one), but not WRGB. I DID pick up UPN from Pittsfield, MA (but it went from "medium" signal to zero every 2-3 seconds)

May I ask which antenna I need? I thought antenna web listed an omnidirectional antenna would pick up WRGB (UPN is a bit far for that).

I'd PREFER to not have to put an outdoor antenna on (unless it's gonna warm up to 35-40 in the next few days--haha)

How about one of those Terk TV55 thingies that Circuit City sells for $100?

--Kevin
post #172 of 5011
The plot thickens.

If I move the antenna to the NORTH side of my 2nd floor, I get:

6-1 (WRGB)
6-2 (UPN)
and 19-1 (Channel 10 from MA?)

Now, WHY can I pick up Pittsfield, and Adams, but not WNYT and WTEN?

But if I move it to the SOUTH side of my 2nd floor, I will get:

13-1 (WNYT)
10-1 (WTEN)

But NOT WRGB and UPN

Very odd.

I'm using a Samsung 151 HDTV Tuner.

--Kevin
post #173 of 5011
Quote:


Originally posted by MasterFX1
Albany Schenectady Troy DTV Update

WRGB-DT has moved to the community tower and is now transmitting in High-Power!

My Panasonic TU-HDS20 cannot receive the signal (No signal meter)
My Zenith SAT520 can receive the signal (Signal meter sits on the line between "Normal" and "Good")


When I read this post I had to take an extended lunch and go home and see if I could get the signal in Kingston. Looks like my CM 4248 was a good investment, as the signal is coming through and is rock solid with a reading of GOOD on my Zenith 520. In fact, timing wise, The Young and the Restless was on in HD!!! What's the deal with UPN on 6-2? Does UPN do any HD as I don't think I ever have watched it. I see there is a 6-3 but nothing is being broadcast.
post #174 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by stoder
What's the deal with UPN on 6-2? Does UPN do any HD as I don't think I ever have watched it. I see there is a 6-3 but nothing is being broadcast.


Remember: WRGB-DT has a finite amount of bandwidth and must carefully delegate it.

6-2 is an all-digital simulcast of the UPN affiliate from Pittsfield, MA (Channel 51). UPN does do HD on Wed and Fri prime, however, they are not available in this market. WRGB is doing WNYA a favor by transmitting their signal as a digital sub-channel, they would have to turn off the CBS in 1080i to provide the UPN in 1080i, and since WRGB is a CBS affiliate and not a UPN affiliate, this is rather unlikely.

6-3 was a live feed of the "Instant Doppler 6" radar imagery, but was turned off to improve the picture quality of 6-1 and 6-2. If improvements can be reached, it may come back.
post #175 of 5011
Quote:


Originally posted by MasterFX1
Remember: WRGB-DT has a finite amount of bandwidth and must carefully delegate it.

6-2 is an all-digital simulcast of the UPN affiliate from Pittsfield, MA (Channel 51). UPN does do HD on Wed and Fri prime, however, they are not available in this market. WRGB is doing WNYA a favor by transmitting their signal as a digital sub-channel, they would have to turn off the CBS in 1080i to provide the UPN in 1080i, and since WRGB is a CBS affiliate and not a UPN affiliate, this is rather unlikely.

6-3 was a live feed of the "Instant Doppler 6" radar imagery, but was turned off to improve the picture quality of 6-1 and 6-2. If improvements can be reached, it may come back.

I did notice that the quality of the HD picture on The Young and the Restless was a little "soft" compared to the quality on WNYT-DT primetime shows. I guess I'll have to wait until tonight to compare WNYT-DT to WRGB-DT. I do realize that WNYT-DT has a sub-channel also. Would be great to compare quality with the full bandwidth. I guess the extra sub-channel is a $$$$ thing......
post #176 of 5011
MasterFX1,

I've been e-mailing Skeeter Lansing (Chief Engineer) at WTEN and in his rely be stated that WTEN, WMHT and WEWB will be up and broadcasting by the end of month. I know he can speak for WTEN, but on TITANTV they show a startup date of May/June 2004 for WMHT and WEWB. Any insight on this? I can live without WB but a PBS station would be great!

Steve
post #177 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Those dates that TitanTV refers to references the current FCC deadlines for those specific stations. They could certainly be on before the deadline is reached. WTEN, WMHT and WEWB are all close to ready.
post #178 of 5011
Quote:


Originally posted by lufters
I was somewhat reluctant to buy the Samsung since I've been hearing bad things about it....but since it was available locally and I don't plan on keeping it that long, it wasn't that big of a deal.

I would have to say I've had a very steady picture and sound since Mon. I've had an audio drop out here and there (probably the network)...but that's about it. I was pretty surprised that I picked up WRGB since they're on low power, but I have almost full signal strength for both WRGB and WNYT.

At first I had a hard time getting to WRGB with constant drop outs (with close to a full signal)but according to what I've read, it was because of interference within my house (walls, appliances, etc.). I moved the power antenna closer to a window, made some adjustments, and never had a problem since.

Tomorrow will be a good test when I watch the entire Miami at Dallas NFL game on WRGB in HD .

I finally had some time to evaluate my new Samsung OTA tuner. During the Thanksgiving NFL game on WRGB, I was constantly getting audio dropouts every few minutes...not sure if it was because of the Samsung, Network, or WRGB on low power. For WNYT there are audio drop outs, but not as many. It looks to be the Samsung has some issues.

One thing I would like to mention....and maybe MasterFX1 can comment with this...I was very disappointed in the WRGB 6-1 picture quality for the Maimi@Dallas NFL game on Thanksgiving, it was almost unwatchable at times. The picture was very clear (better than MNF on TWC 1810) during close ups with very little movement....but if you had a camera angle with a close-up of players running or with any fast movement, the picture became extremely pixilated. I've read on the other AVS Threads that this seems to be a hit and miss problem around the country. MNF on TWC 1810 does not have this problem at all.

Is this because of WRGB stretching their Bandwidth to thin (more than one dedicated channel) with their broadcast of UPN on 6-2? Could it be a CBS issue?

Now I'm beginning to think why TWC wants to choose what channels they want to broadcast from the locals.
post #179 of 5011
Thread Starter 
Lufters- Does your receiver have a signal meter?
post #180 of 5011
Quote:


Originally posted by MasterFX1
Lufters- Does your receiver have a signal meter?

I have a full signal on all channels. I did have to turn down the gain a bit on my RCA Powered Anntena since WRGB went to full power (the signal was dropping)....other than that.. the signal is now good as it's always been.
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