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post #421 of 5011
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Originally posted by lufters

Who new TWC and our locals were going to have a major issue with each other when a lot of the country were getting their locals from TWC with no problem.

I feel the same exact way. I bought my Mitsubishi WT-46805 in 2000, the price was a whopping $3000 and the Mitsubishi STB was $1500. How come local channels agreed with TWC in other areas. How many people does WRGB think will run out and buy a STB and antenna for there roof top in this area just for the Superbowl. I really don't blame TWC but do blame WRGB.
post #422 of 5011
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Sounds like sour grapes from being an early adopter... 2000? That was 4 years ago. If a new HD-OTA receiver costs you $300 and lasts you 3 years... it's $8.33/mo. A lot cheaper than being forced to subscribe to TWC's digital service (not to mention an impending HD tier hike)

Here's a link about other CBS affiliates... specifically an Emmis owned CBS versus COX cable. WRGB is owned by Freedom.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=348646
post #423 of 5011
It has nothing to do with me being an early adopter. I'm a audiophile & videophile and I know technologies change but what does bother me is that we are in 2004 and we have to play with antennas to get HD. I thought those years were behind us.

WTEN seems to have no problem.
post #424 of 5011
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Sounds like sour grapes from being an early adopter

I bought my Mits 55411 about six months ago. I was also told that I wouldn't need a STB if I was using TWC. I only had to go across the street and pick up the free 3100. Since I already had Cable and Broadband service I opted for the digital package which basically threw in a premium package for free. I fully expected to see all the local HDTV local content on TWC. I also put the blame on WRGB. I won't go out and buy a STB and antenna just to recieve WRGB...it just aint gonna happen.

Many years ago I had to put up with an antenna to receive OTA TV and was never happier when cable came along. I still have an antenna on my roof for my ham radio gear and I'm still putting up with frozen rotators in the winter. It's unfortunate there's no such thing as cable 2,6,40,75 and 80 meter reception for us hams

Just my 2 cents worth.

Wordz
post #425 of 5011
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If NBC had the Superbowl, we would still be in the exact same predicament. If you read the thread I just posted about Emmis, you'll see the real story.
post #426 of 5011
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Originally posted by ThePrisoner
WTEN seems to have no problem.

...Yet. See the post about Emmis.
post #427 of 5011
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Originally posted by ThePrisoner
I thought those years were behind us.

It strikes me as odd, that the public, for the most part, is OK with their phone service transitioning to wireless (where reception is good) but the TV, which for most used to be wireless, should stay "Wired" to the pole.
post #428 of 5011
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Let us review the 3 biggest reasons that stations have with cable regarding retransmission of HDTV signals:

1. Fees - Notice TWC has yet to come up with ESPN-HD either, yet DirecTV, DISH and many other cable systems have it. Look, if your grocer stopped paying his food distributor and then he told you, "We'll sell groceries when we get them," not telling you that he owes his supplier money... You would scratch your head in amazement and find a new grocer. What sucks is that TWC is the only cable outfit in town with HDTV ability.

2. Bandwidth Integrity - Anyone claiming to be a videophile should demand this. Do you really want to accept whatever water-downed resolution TWC delivers? Already, 720p content is upconverted for you. Sure, you can change your box's output to 720p, but now you are upconverting and then downconverting, only adding to the possibilities for problems. Plus, the cable company could decide that a particular station is using too much of their cable-bandwidth capacity and compress them further.

3. Sub-Channels - So "Cable" is a multi-programming distributor that dabbles in content (like Capital News 9). But if a content producer (such as WRGB or WNYT) wants to multicast, TWC wants to reserve the right to strip it out of the signal. Should WRGB or WNYT offer 24-hour news on a sub-channel, it would directly compete with their own content product. Thus they would likely choose to strip it out.

Reasons 2 and 3 are tightly related, often referred to as "Full Data Stream or No Data Stream." As in, cable: take it all, or leave it. So far, TWC is leaving it.

Yes, the Superbowl and Grammys are getting people quite worked up and emotional. But consider the big picture, year after year. The precedents are being fought now, not later.
post #429 of 5011
Free OTA HDTV ?? How silly!..

Well let me see..I been watching over the air HDTV since September and I still have YET to receive a monthly bill from any of the local affliates broadcasting in HDTV..

Sounds like free to me!
post #430 of 5011
I always thought the point of having cable was to provide local signals to people that have difficulty receiving them OTA. Once that reason for being is satisfied, then the cable company can sell whatever it needs or wants to be profitable.

If the municipalities that grant franchises had the b__ls to demand that the cable company provide all the signals, we would have a lot less to complain about.
post #431 of 5011
iI understand that we are still in the infancy stages of HDTV in the Albany area. I have no doubt that eventually (months or years) we will be able to pay extra to get local HD channels on TWC as well as ESPN, HBO and many others. This is only the frustrating beginning.
What really bothers me is that WRGB is now marketing OTA HD and telling us to go get a box (which I did) when they don't have it working well yet. Since I hooked upo last week, WRGB has given me nothing but headaches. I am planning on having 10-20 friends over for the Superbowl so they cn watch it in HD on an 8' screen. If it looks like crap, I'm going to feel like a jerk. I can just here one of the wives "Our 27 inch Sony doesn't do this....."

It's to bad they wouldn't just selll rights for the game (like the Masters) to TWC, but considering their recent commercials, that seems unlikely.

I hope WRGB can pulls it together.


Paul
LETS GO PATS!!!!!
post #432 of 5011
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Originally posted by MasterFX1
It strikes me as odd, that the public, for the most part, is OK with their phone service transitioning to wireless (where reception is good) but the TV, which for most used to be wireless, should stay "Wired" to the pole.

Talking about comparing Apples and Oranges.....

Why would I want to carry my 65" TV, Yamaha Receiver, 2 sub-woofers, and 6 speakers around with me where ever I go??

Maybe I should buy a Truck so I can give it a try...since I'm not "Wired" to the pole.
post #433 of 5011
Where did the idea come from that local HDTV would be available via TWC?

I don't see where WRGB is obligated to just "hand" over their HD signal to TWC... If WRGB paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for the equipment alone, I can expect they will want something in return from TWC for broadcasting the same signal.. TWC already has the SD signal, if they want to show off the pretty picture then they have to agree to WRGB's terms to broadcast it..simple.

Does WRGB HD need TWC?

WRGB's marketing idea does work,I used to never watch CBS, now I'm a regular viewer..(PBS too!)

I havent been a TWC customer since the late 80's (not including RR) and I don't see myself signing up anytime soon in the near future..
I was interested in their HDTV offerings this summer,however I was not going to pay $51.00+ for HD ABC and a basic package..In fact, if they included all the locals at the same price today, I would still tell them to get bent and I'll buy my own equipment and get the available local HD for free..simple again..
post #434 of 5011
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Why would I want to carry my 65" TV, Yamaha Receiver, 2 sub-woofers, and 6 speakers around with me where ever I go??

I think that MasterFX1 was responding to Prisoners reply about having to mess around with with antenna elements to receive a quality signal..

You guys crack me up..

You can spend thousands of dollars for high resolution displays,the best dolby digital surroundsound system,luxurious seating arrangements,popcorn machines,etc and you do everything that you can do to impress your friends and family..

But,

You can settle for a set of $29.99 RatShack rabbit ear antenna to receive the HDTV signal and expect it to be exceptional...Thats some funny stuff!
post #435 of 5011
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Originally posted by BreakStuff
Where did the idea come from that local HDTV would be available via TWC?



AVS Forum I think you might have heard of it.
post #436 of 5011
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You can settle for a $29.99 RatShack rabbit ear antenna to receive the HDTV signal and expect it to be exceptional...Thats some funny stuff!

Try some aluminum foil!

I think I seen that work on a Honeymooners episode!

Sorry..I'll shutup now..
post #437 of 5011
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Originally posted by BreakStuff
I think that MasterFX1 was responding to Prisoners reply about having to mess around with with antenna elements to receive a quality signal..

You guys crack me up..

You can spend thousands of dollars for high resolution displays,the best dolby digital surroundsound system,luxurious seating arrangements,popcorn machines,etc and you do everything that you can do to impress your friends and family..

But,

You can settle for a $29.99 RatShack rabbit ear antenna to receive the HDTV signal and expect it to be exceptional...Thats some funny stuff!

It's actually the whole point of the matter...I shouldn't have to go out and buy a "$29.99 Antenna" and have to worry about receiving a signal when I'm paying out of my A#% for cable (my choice). When two companies that make money from offering a service to "Us" customers can't get their freaking act together you wonder why people tend to get upset. I personally could care less about TWC or WRGB...I just want things right...as with most people in the area in our position.

If people like "US" didn't watch TV, people like "Them" wouldn't make any money...hence not need to exist. So they should try at all costs to keep "Us" happy. The gov't really needs to step in sooner than later to clean this debacle up.


By the way...even though I have a lot of family and friends....I only want to impress three people............Me, Myself, and I. ....and if the family and friends are impressed along the way...so be it!
post #438 of 5011
"You can settle for a set of $29.99 RatShack rabbit ear antenna to receive the HDTV signal and expect it to be exceptional...Thats some funny stuff! "
Breakstuff.


If buying an EXPENSIVE antenna would fix the WRGB problem, so that I could get FREE WRGB, I would do it. But as far as I can tell, that is not the case.

Paul
post #439 of 5011
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If you post your exact address, users monitoring this thread that have topographical software may help you with your antenna problems.

Breakstuff: Amen.
post #440 of 5011
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Originally posted by AlbanyHDTV
I have a SA3250HD and did not notice anything different this morning.

Has anyone else tried to hook up a DVI cable to the SA3250HD?

I got my DVI cable and hooked it up last night (3250HD on one end, Sony Grand Wega LCD on other).

From what I could tell after flipping channels for 20 minutes, the DVI input is on par with component outputs for SD channels, but a hair better on HD channels.

The one nice thing is that I don't have to fiddle with anything for it to change output modes (I guess the DVI mode always outputs the native resolution), and since my TV remembers the stretch mode I want, I don't have to touch anything but the channel up/down.

It is somewhat difficult to directly compare component and DVI output because the STB turns off the component output when the DVI cable is plugging in.
post #441 of 5011
masterfx1,
Have you had problems with WRGB in the last couple of days or has it been good?

thanks,

Paul
post #442 of 5011
I had a terrible time with WRGB on Sunday, but watched CSI-Miami last night and the signal was fine in Kingston. Saw 2 or 3 blocks of pixalation once or twice. Sunday evening there was so much pixalation it was unwatchable....
post #443 of 5011
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WRGB-DT is having a problem with how they physically transmit their signal from the station in Niskayuna to the Tower in the Helderbergs. The problem has to do with moisture and freezing temperatures. The signal seems to be doing OK as of right now, but Engineers at WRGB know what is causing these intermittent problems and are attempting to prevent it from happening further.

Paul: My signal strength has remained good, but I have seen some of the "Break Ups." FYI, if you have great signal strength, but bad picture... the problem is probably not on your end.
post #444 of 5011
Last night I had great signal strength and Everyone Loves Raymond & CSI:Miami looked great with little breakup in one spot. Today I see heavy breakup on WRGB DT & PBS DT. Signal strength is strong but when heavy break up comes the signal strength goes down than right back to strong.
post #445 of 5011
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Originally posted by ThePrisoner
Last night I had great signal strength and Everyone Loves Raymond & CSI:Miami looked great with little breakup in one spot. Today I see heavy breakup on WRGB DT & PBS DT. Signal strength is strong but when heavy break up comes the signal strength goes down than right back to strong.

Those are common problems with indoor antennas.
post #446 of 5011
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This just in... The Daytona 500 will be in HD on WNYT.

The 46th annual Daytona 500 will be the first NASCAR race to be covered in HDTV. Details are still slim at this time, but HD coverage was confirmed directly to AVS, by NBC earlier today.

Last years Daytona 500 drew its highest ratings ever for start-to-finish coverage and was the most-watched auto race since 1984. NBC's telecast, its first airing of the race under a six-year deal with NASCAR, drew a 10.9 rating Sunday with a 26 share, a jump of 9 percent from the 10.0 rating for the 2002 Daytona 500 broadcast on Fox.

HD coverage will begin 12pm ET, Sunday February 15, 2004 on WNYT-DT.


WOW: Superbowl Sunday, Grammy Sunday and the Daytona500 Sunday... it's like the best consecutive 3 HD Sundays ever.
post #447 of 5011
I see that WMHT has switched from 17-3 and 17-4 to 17-1 and 17-3. At the moment, 17-1 is Nova in standard def while 17-3 is the same program in HD. Some receivers may need to be put in the search mode to work properly.
post #448 of 5011
The President's State of the Union Address is on in HD on ABC WTEN (1810 TWC), CBS WRGB-DT, NBC WNYT-DT and EDTV on Fox WXXA (1808 TWC).

Excellent way to compare the different formats...480P to 720P and 1080i. (Even though I have everything being upconverted to 1080i)

I'm now trying to compare WRGB-DT and WNYT-DT since WRGB-DT doesn't use as much bandwidth because of the use of sub-channels.

WNYT-DT is a tad clearer....but not much.
post #449 of 5011
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The Daytona 500 will be in HD on WNYT.

This will be an interesting test for NBC..

I was actually questioning when NASCAR would attempt a HD broadcast last summer while watching a race. A few moments later I realized that this might be a bad idea due to the amount of camera's used during a typical NASCAR event..

It wasn't a complete success for the Breeders Cup last November and sometimes it got annoying when the camera's were switching back and forth between SD and HD..they might have HD camera's at Daytona but my guess is that most of the content will be standard definition..

but I guess any HD content is better than none at all...
post #450 of 5011
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Originally posted by lufters
WNYT-DT is a tad clearer....but not much.

I noticed WNYT being a little clearer also. How was your WRGB-DT signal this afternoon? Mine wasn't great but it got better around 7pm. Navy CIS was good but I had some pixelation and audio being out-of sync.
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