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post #481 of 8911
That last post was a copy of my post to the SPOT. I actually emailed around 24 hrs. ago and have not received an autoreply telling me invalid address. This must be his address. Please remember that if you are going to take the time to petition, be respectful and courteous so we don't get ignored.
post #482 of 8911
WOW!! This must be the week for the stations to answer their e-mail!!

I wrote:
I have a Samsung SIR-T165 Set Top Box and I am unable to tune in your digital channels 36 and 42. I receive analog channels 38 and 41 perfectly. I receive all of the other local analog and digital channels strong and stable with no issues. I believe this may be a PSIP setup problem on your end. Looking forward to a rapid fix!!

Wil Mistele wrote:
Here at our studios we are using an older model of the Samsung Digital TV set top box. Our model is a SIR-T151. We are broadcasting at full power with 450,000 watts for 42 and 500,000 watts for 36. Channel 36 comes in as 36-1 and channel 42 as 42-1. Please let me know if you are still having problems.
Thanks,
Wil Mistele
Assistant Chief Engineer
KSHB-TV / KMCI-TV
4720 Oak
Kansas City, MO 64112-2236
PH: 816 932-4302
Fax: 816 932-0502
e-mail: mistele@nbcactionnews.com

Any suggestions for me? I am going to see if I can borrow another STB from a friend. If that works and my Samsung still does not, I will get back with this guy and let him know.
post #483 of 8911
hdtimmy -

I too think there may be a PSIP problem with KMCI & KSHB (KCTV too). I get the channels just fine, but there is no program or guide info on any of them. Every other station is fine, but they all show up as "Regular Programming" 24/7.

Kendal
post #484 of 8911
For all of you OTAers out there, what is the status of KSHB DT? Have they gone HD yet? I am trying to find out exactly when so I can start pestering TWC. What about KMCI? Are the signals reliable yet?
post #485 of 8911
Interesting news on KMCI & KSHB and that they are up at full power. Up in Liberty, MO my RCA DTC-100 can barely get KSHB-DT 42 (42 - 47 signal strength with lots of break-ups in the transmission) and won't lock in at all on KMCI-DT 36 (33 - 38 signal strength). I was hoping that they were just broadcasting at lower power during the start-up. I've got other channels that are in the same signal strength range as KSHB-DT but don't have the problems that I'm seeing, so I'm not sure what's up with the signal.

In another anomaly, my receiver shows KSHB-DT as coming in on 42-3 not the 42-1 that they told hdtimmy which makes me think that there may be a PSIP problem. Is any one else seeing this?
post #486 of 8911
Quote:


....what is the status of KSHB DT? Have they gone HD yet? I am trying to find out exactly when so I can start pestering TWC. What about KMCI? Are the signals reliable yet?

A few pages back in this thread, one of the contributors here found that KSHB will be going full HD sometime this month. They only got their digital signal up and running a couple of weeks ago. KMCI has been up and running on digital for a few weeks longer and Yes, the signals (at least from what I've found) are very reliable and stable. As indicated above, they're operating at full power off their new tower location. A few of us had ghosting problems due to that tower switch a couple weeks ago.

Kendal
post #487 of 8911
Quote:


Originally posted by Gleyser
I had trouble getting WIBW yesterday afternoon. It would lock on for a few minutes at a time. Saw enough of the game in HD to know that I didn't want to watch it in SD on KCTV so I listened to the game on the radio. Antenna was still pointing at Topeka last night and I was still able to get most of the KC digital stations. WIBW comes in perfect at night and on cloudy days. Still no luck getting KMBC-DT so I guess there's no HD-MNF for me tonight. I can get the ABC station from Topeka but they aren't passing the HD signal yet.

I usually get great signal from WIBM, but I did have some trouble Sunday with the Chiefs game also, was tolerable, but kept breaking up, so must have been the feed.
I am surprised to say that you cannot get ABC High Def for MNF. I live in Olathe around 119th and Ridgeview and the signal strength almost knocks my roof off!! I am not sure I could turn the antenna far enough away to not get their signal. I am using the Sony HD200 receiver which does a very good job of grabbing signal though. Good Luck
post #488 of 8911
According to this email from yesterday, KSHB has been broadcasting HDTV for some time now:
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We have been broadcasting HDTV on channel 36 for about 4 to 5 weeks now. Channel 42 was signed on around August 28th. Time Warner and Scripps Howard are talking about the rights for retransmission on the cable side. Hopefully that decision will be made quickly.

Thanks,

Wil Mistele
Assistant Chief Engineer
post #489 of 8911
Quote:


Originally posted by TheHypnoToad
Interesting news on KMCI & KSHB and that they are up at full power. Up in Liberty, MO my RCA DTC-100 can barely get KSHB-DT 42 (42 - 47 signal strength with lots of break-ups in the transmission) and won't lock in at all on KMCI-DT 36 (33 - 38 signal strength). I was hoping that they were just broadcasting at lower power during the start-up. I've got other channels that are in the same signal strength range as KSHB-DT but don't have the problems that I'm seeing, so I'm not sure what's up with the signal.

In another anomaly, my receiver shows KSHB-DT as coming in on 42-3 not the 42-1 that they told hdtimmy which makes me think that there may be a PSIP problem. Is any one else seeing this?

I punched in some numbers for Liberty and your only 19.5 miles (center of town) from the KSHB tower. At those power levels they should be blowing your meter out. I also noticed the 42-3 PSIP info this weekend. I'll recheck it tonight.

Dan
post #490 of 8911
kchdtv, from what I understand (because I can't see them) 38 and 41 are broadcasting in 1080i HDTV, but they are upconverting everything from their analog station for now. Soon they will actually start showing us the 1080i 16:9 NBC feed. They are not right now.

Sounds like the 42-3 PSIP could be confusing my already touchy STB.
post #491 of 8911
Quote:


Originally posted by hdtimmy
kchdtv, from what I understand (because I can't see them) 38 and 41 are broadcasting in 1080i HDTV, but they are upconverting everything from their analog station for now. Soon they will actually start showing us the 1080i 16:9 NBC feed. They are not right now.

Sounds like the 42-3 PSIP could be confusing my already touchy STB.

If I change to KSHB-DT from a DirecTV channel, it shows up as 42.3. If I change to it from an OTA channel, it shows up as 41.1. There's definitely something wrong with the PSIP data they're sending. I have similar problems with KMCI-DT. I'm using a Sony SAT-HD200.
post #492 of 8911
You're right on the money, Timmy - they're upconverting to 1080i for now.

It's interesting that their engineer says that they receive their own signals as "36-1" and "42-1." My Dish 6k receives them as "38-1" and "41-1!"

As I said before, I added the channels manually, and the "virtual channel" on the "Add DTV" screen flashes (toggles) between the analog and the digital channel numbers (i.e. 41 & 42 for KSHB and 36 & 38 for KMCI). I hit "save" while the toggling number was on the analog channel (38 &41, respectively), and the channels were saved as above. I did NOT try saving while the toggling number was on the digital channel, so I don't know what that would do.

I get good, strong, consistent signals on both.

Brad
post #493 of 8911
Could you all please e-mail or call Wil Mistele and tell him about your weird PSIP experiences on both channels? Maybe if they get enough feedback on this issue they will take a closer look at their PSIP equipment.

Wil Mistele
Assistant Chief Engineer
KSHB-TV / KMCI-TV
4720 Oak
Kansas City, MO 64112-2236
PH: 816 932-4302
Fax: 816 932-0502
e-mail: mistele@nbcactionnews.com
post #494 of 8911
Quote:


Originally posted by Ohmylord
I'm at approx 160th and Metcalf in southern Overland Park and am having similar problems with Channel 9. The signal strength is actually pretty good, but it breaks up on a regular basis, to the point of being unwatchable. I seem to get the other channels OK. My next step is to move my antenna from the attic outside. I'm open to other ideas if anyone has any.

As an update to my earlier post. I moved the antenna outside this weekend and attached it to the chimney. The signal is now outstanding. I watched MNF last night in high def with no breakups. I didn't even hook up the amplifier that I had when the antenna was in the attic.

My only remaining question is about properly grounding the antenna. I ran one ground wire from the antenna and mast, but I think I need to run a separate ground wire from the coax connector. Send me a PM if you are an expert (or even if you think you are) in this area.
post #495 of 8911
Ohmylord, If the antenna is mounted to the chimney I would only suggest a coax grounding block on the shielded RG-6 cable coming from the VHF/UHF antenna to bleed off static buildup.
post #496 of 8911
Was able to get MNF from KMBC-DT last night, but signal was up and down all night. I'd get a lock at 60 or so and then it'll drift back down into the 40's and then drop out. Signal would come in good for 5 to 10 minutes at a time. Picture was great when I had it.

I noticed something last night on KSMO. I caught the last few minutes of Everwood and I think it was in HD. I'll check tonight when Smallville comes on.

As far as KSHB and KMCI, I also have a 6000 and had to manually set them. (41.1 and 38.1). I figure I'm around 45 to 50 miles from the towers and still get around 70 to 80 ss with the antenna pointing toward Topeka. 80's to 90's when pointing towards KC. Since their location is on the east side of KC they might have a directional signal going West.
post #497 of 8911
Quote:


Originally posted by Gleyser
Was able to get MNF from KMBC-DT last night, but signal was up and down all night. I'd get a lock at 60 or so and then it'll drift back down into the 40's and then drop out. Signal would come in good for 5 to 10 minutes at a time. Picture was great when I had it.

I noticed something last night on KSMO. I caught the last few minutes of Everwood and I think it was in HD. I'll check tonight when Smallville comes on.

As far as KSHB and KMCI, I also have a 6000 and had to manually set them. (41.1 and 38.1). I figure I'm around 45 to 50 miles from the towers and still get around 70 to 80 ss with the antenna pointing toward Topeka. 80's to 90's when pointing towards KC. Since their location is on the east side of KC they might have a directional signal going West.

KMCI is definately directional towards Lawrence, KS. I can pick up all but KMCI, WDAF (lightbulb.....1.1Kw) and KPXE which is not broadcasting yet, supposedly end of Sept.

Dan
post #498 of 8911
Quote:


Originally posted by Raven_13
I punched in some numbers for Liberty and your only 19.5 miles (center of town) from the KSHB tower. At those power levels they should be blowing your meter out. I also noticed the 42-3 PSIP info this weekend. I'll recheck it tonight.

Dan -

I agree that I should be seeing a fairly strong signal from both KSHB-DT and KMCI-DT given the distance but after they moved to the new tower, even KSHB's analog signal is weak. KMCI's analog on the other hand is now clear as a bell. I'm in a low lying area with houses at the top of the hill to the south of me so it could be that I'm just SOL for the time being, unless I decide to erect a tower. I'll drop a line to the engineering department over at KSHB and see what they offer up. Anyone else in the northland have any signal levels that they would be willing to share?

Kurt
post #499 of 8911
Quote:


Originally posted by hdtimmy
Could you all please e-mail or call Wil Mistele and tell him about your weird PSIP experiences on both channels? Maybe if they get enough feedback on this issue they will take a closer look at their PSIP equipment.

Wil Mistele
Assistant Chief Engineer
KSHB-TV / KMCI-TV
4720 Oak
Kansas City, MO 64112-2236
PH: 816 932-4302
Fax: 816 932-0502
e-mail: mistele@nbcactionnews.com

I sent Wil my info today, along with some questions about when they would pass NBC-HD and DD5.1. I also asked about the possibility of WDAF using their old antenna to upgrade their signal (I doubt if he'll answer that one. )

Brad
post #500 of 8911
Thanks Brad!!

Raven_13's post prompted me to look up KPXE on the FCC database. They have not filed for a 4th extension yet, so they are required to be on the air by September 30th. In fact, their 3rd extension was never formally approved.

Also, and I think this is funny, they have not filed for a Special Temporary Authority for lower power. So as of right now, they will be on the air at 1,000 kw!! That is by far the strongest digital signal in KC to date. Too bad I won't be watching it.
post #501 of 8911
Well it's time to call KSMO DT-47 (WB-62). http://www.mediaweek.com/mediaweek/h...ent_id=1968571 I just want to hold up a sign in front of these non-HDTV stations that reads "Go HDTV or watch your viewer numbers and advertisers revenue numbers go bye-bye" Sometimes I wonder if these people who run these stations that will not support HDTV are the same people who still feel DVD's players will never replace the VCR players.
post #502 of 8911
I emailed 62 at programming@wb62.com and I sent a message to Aaron Barnhart at http://www.tvbarn.com/feedback.html. I will post the results here.

Everyone else that is interested in WB HD programming should do the same.
post #503 of 8911
Hey, should we contact the FOX4 "problem solvers" about their 1kw signal?
post #504 of 8911
I hope the "PROBLEM SOLVERS" at FOX4 can solve the problem of the deluge of flaming hate mail they are receiving regarding their Fisher Price "Baby's First TV Antenna" and pisspoor signal.
post #505 of 8911
I wrote Aaron Barnhart (TV Barn) the following email ...
I am very irritated with stations like KSMO WB-62 which give nothing but excuses on why they are not passing HD yet. Then you have stations like WDAF FOX-4 that broadcast a light-bulb's worth of signal to the people at the base of the tower that can actually receive it. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. They can watch their viewers and advertising revenue dwindle away to nothing as far as I am concerned.

Here is the response I received the next day ...
You're the first person to bring up KSMO. Another letter writer this morning is the first to bring up KMCI. Obviously more people are getting HD and it's time the stations got on board.

That said, here is what I can tell you: KSMO has ordered hi-def pass-thru equipment in response to the WB network's announcement this spring that it will be increasingly dramatically its number of HD shows.
KMCI has ordered several movies in hi-def, but since it is an independent station it is reliant on the supply chain and right now there just aren't that many syndicators willing to do their game shows and trashy celebrity shows in HD. But eventually they will!

Watch my column as I will get an update on those stations in print soon. And thanks for writing. Could you give me your real name and the town you live in, please, in case I print your letter?
post #506 of 8911
Looks like we will have new HDTV 1080i programming available here in the Kansas City area. The new STB's will have Over the Air HDTV inputs for our local Kansas City digital channels. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...readid=300651:)
post #507 of 8911
What's up with NBC? I'm a comcrap subscriber and we just got NBC added to our channel lineup the other day. At first I was excited to see something new in HD, but I've yet to see anything in true HD? Everything is letterboxed and pillarboxed? WTF is up with that? Hell I can watch Drew Carey on ABC in all it's 16:9 "true" HD glory, yet NBC can't even put out Leno in "true" HD. Weak... I didn't watch ER so I can't speak to that, but seeing as how the analog feed is in 16:9 I'm sure it is on the digital as well, but that's one lousy show. Literally... I don't know why more broadcasters aren't looking to ABC to see how to please their customers? So I can watch ESPN doing "the stretch" on SD content. People with burn-in paranoia have somehow convinced ESPN to make Stewart Scott look like he ate a heard of cattle!?! Nice! Or I can watch NBC on a 26 inch screen when I bought a 36? Not to mention the local CBS and FOX stations and their screw you approach to us, the viewer. I mean really, 38 The Spot has a bigger signal than FOX, are you kidding... And last time I checked football does make the world go round, and we can't even scope the Chiefs in HD? Yet the rest of the civilized world can? Well, provided Merideath isn't involved. Oh sweet irony! MNF, Sunday night baseball/football, the NBA finals, the NHL finals, and most all of ABC's primetime programming are awesome! Not that it matters, after all I'd watch Eskimos slaughter baby seals if it was in true HD, but you get my point... I know these things take time but Jesus get with it already... I suppose I'd be less pissed if I had a widescreen (maybe not) but these formatting issues are a pain in the ass for everyone and should have been thought out a little better... It either needs to be 4:3 or 16:9 none of this wishy washy in between crap. 4:3 has had it's time in the sun it's time to evolve... Long rants suck, I know, I'm sorry...
post #508 of 8911
I've sent email to Everest about HD. Here's what I got:

Quote:


Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:15:23 -0500
From: "EV_Everest Customer Service"

We will be adding HDTV in the next 30 days.


- Could you give me a link where I can read about
details, i.e. what kind channels, etc.?

From: "EV_Everest Customer Service"

Not sure that we have information posted yet, but if you check
www.everestkc.net & www.everestkc.com there will be something posted soon.

Thanks

Everest Tech Support
816-714-2981
www.everestkc.net

Don't get too excited, I found nothing on their web sites so far.
post #509 of 8911
What's up with DVI?

I tried it and it didn't work. There was a post that DVI out was disabled and at the same time someone said it was working for him.

Any updates?
post #510 of 8911
peter--what STB do you have and what cable co? what ouput device (TV) are you using?
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