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Yes, I originally thought that it was my center channel speaker, I even checked the connections to the speaker and to the A/V receiver just in case.

New to silcondust Website but not available on Box yet Surewest
108-1 807 WDAFDT 1280x720p
16:9

qam256 111-2 811 KCPTDT 1920x1080i
16:9

qam256 111-4 812 KCPTDT2 704x480i
16:9

qam256 111-7 813 KCPTDT3 704x480i
4:3

qam256 103-1 818 FSN
808 maybe 4.2

http://www.bottomlinecom.com/kcnews/...antennatv.html This Sunday they launch it and TWCKC adds it on Tuesday but didn't say when for the others.

None of this is new information....

Antenna TV begins at 9 AM Sunday on WDAF 4.2. It will be in TWC 1412 to start. SureWest, Comcast and Cox Cable to add it later. (From FOX 4 Morning News today.)

Don't you mean 1412 because 1411 is FOX4KC HD. They should have said where on those to and don't forget Sunflower Broadband and so on. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-clas...,7316916.story has the right information
, Antenna TV will be available in your area on the 25th of February Comcast.

It seems audio problems are contagious. The past 2 nights I have heard micro drop-outs, for lack of better description, with ch 9/ABC network programming. These are sometimes accompanied by clicks and pops. This has been both OTA and TWC/QAM. It was so annoying at times during 'V', I lost track of the story line.
A few years ago, before many cable HD programs were scrambled, I was surprised at how trouble free the audio was on these, while local broadcasters seemed to be plagued with problems. Maybe that shows who has the money, equipment and people.

I too noticed the audio clicking and popping during several episodes of V that I had recorded on my TWC DVR.

Time Warner 1412- 2-13



Comcast 251- 2-25



Surewest ¿¿¿mid Feb



Charter-early April



St. Joseph Cablevison¿¿¿early March

I need all Comcast Customers here to call request KMCI HD,Metro Sports 2/HD,Metro Weather,Ion Life/Qubo then they will have to add them.
I would also say Sports Tier will be in 7 Hundred's soon on Comcast.

u guys are lucky ur getting antenna tv and also have daystar in KC.

we here in omaha are having tough time getting them to air either here for some reason

Hi Jerky - YES!!! I'm a U-Verse subscriber and experience all kinds of problems with KCTV5. Audio pops, Audio cut-outs, HD pixelation (especially during live broadcasts such as Chiefs games or other sporting events) I'm thinking about leaving AT&T because of this. Are you having the same types of problems?

Time Warner Cable will carry Antenna TV beginning Tuesday (2/15) on channel 1412. Comcast will launch on Channel 251 was added today, with SureWest and Charter Cable following in the near future.
https://www.comcast.com/customers/cl...up.ashx?area=0 4.2 is already showing Local Channels HD 8 Hundred's not yet.

Since I get my networks OTA... I'm looking forward to antennatv tommorrow morning!!! YAY! I will be GLUED to that channel all the time... thank you FOX4! I noticed that Directv and dish won't be getting it. ANOTHER reason to not buy your locals from DISH. You pay 5$ month for them and don't get them all. What's the point? I'd rather make the one time antenna investment, and get EVERYTHING, nice and clear, without compression and artifacts.

I just wanted to report that I just notice the audio issue with KCTV-5 on my recorded episode of How I Met Your Mother. I have SureWest.

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun...062#sidebyside KCWE is 29.1 and 2 and changes happen everyday.
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun...050#sidebyside 1150 Comcast Vod Barker
Comcast has MO Mavericks On Demand Stuff in Olathe know.
No KSHB 808 or even KMCI HD on Comcast today.

Hello all,
I will address the multiple postings regarding KCTV audio issues of late rather than each poster individually. The problem has been known to us (KCTV engineering) for some time now, but tracking down the exact source of the problem is not an exact science. Digital encoding paths are complex and sometimes confusing even to those of us to who build and maintain the system. As you may know, we have been "hubbed" for some months now. Our primary program source (including the CBS network) is now being originated from the Meredith Hub facilities in Atlanta, via a DS-3 fiber connection. You may have noticed the audio issue is only during 5.1 audio material, primarily from CBS. I don't know of any syndicators providing 5.1 audio at this time. It is primarily the center channel that will lose lock and distort audio for a short period of time while it re-syncs the clock. This cycle of loss repeats about every 12 minuets or so.
Anyway, all that to say we believe that problem has been narrowed down to decoding the incoming digital program stream from Atlanta. We have a new set of decoders in place, and plan to place them online sometime next week after testing and burn-in time. The reason this problem is not heard during stereo programming is due to stereo being sent on different pairs than the 5.1 center channel.
As to the other encoding issues mentioned, these are also known and being addressed. The pixalization during fast motion will hopefully be fixed by some upgraded MPEG-2 encoding software. Meanwhile the older encoding path is being used so we can maintain higher quality video.
The ever increasing number of new technologies and associated hardware present technical staffs at all TV facilities with challenges to not only stay current, but present unique challenges for trouble-shooting sometimes very obscure issues that manage to stay well hidden. This is due in part to some facilities not yet having the latest test gear for troubleshooting these new kinds of problems and in some cases the test gear does not even exist!
The engineering staffs at all the stations appreciate having viewers like this group who take the time to discuss these issues. It puts many more eyes and ears in the field to help us verify where and when the problems happen, and if what we observe ourselves is in fact real.
Thanks to all.

tvoldtimer, thanks for your post. It is good to know you are getting close to a solution and that this forum can help.

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Finally, we are currently involved in discussions regarding the services and/or stations listed below. While we cannot guarantee that we will reach agreement with the relevant programmers and/or broadcasters, we are listing these services/stations here in the event that we are able to start carrying them in the future: GameHD2, Lifetime HD, Sabres Channel, and NESN-TWC Albany so I with TWCKC would say things like this and Comcast here to.
But they haven't added MYKSMOTV in HD yet.

Antenna TV now on the lineup on Surewest, channel 639

tvoldtimer. Thank you, sir. Glad to hear you guys are nearing a resolution (hopefully).

Honestly, I don't recall seeing anything in the way of habitual pixelation and what-not.

I'm curious, though. Did you get your Uverse installed with Coax (if so, existing or new) or Cat5? We had our's installed when ATT was still providing an option between the two (we went with Cat5). Our service has been rock-solid for right at 2 years now.

I've got AT&T u-Verse in Overland Park. I generally like the service, but I've been extremely disappointed by the poor HD picture quality. It's not as good as Surewest, which is what I had before. Either its the IPTV or the fact that u-Verse wants to allow so many HD streams at once, but they way overcompress the streams. 5-6mbps is Ok for slow scense, but PQ goes to hell when there's a lot of motion, like watching sports. Anything in the background like the field, crowd, etc. gets all blocky. I called the tech out and he told me there was nothing he could do - it's just a result of the compression.

I've been thinking about switching back to Surewest. A CSR told me Surewest is getting whole home DVR "this summer." Surewest's Sacramento market already has this, and they use the same Motorola VIP1216 with Microsoft Mediacenter as u-Verse!

Thus, I'm assuming Surewest plans to start offering IPTV in the KC area, just like Sacramento. I have no idea if they're just going to force that over the current fiber/copper hybrid network, or its going to require FTTH.

I'm hoping this means Surewest may soon be able offer the KC area the same great DVR as u-Verse at maybe a better price, with maybe better HD PQ! I just hope that in converting to IPTV, Surewest doesn't further compress its HD streams the way u-Verse did.

Any of you know anything more about this?

The SureWest technician told me KC would not be getting the IPTV solution like Sacramento anytime soon since most houses are wired up with the older copper system.

The "Whole Home" system would use the Scientific Atlanta boxes.

That's strange. I thought WHDVR only worked with IPTV, but maybe not. I guess the upshot of Surewest not going to to IPTV is maybe they won't further compress the HD streams. The downside is I really like u-Verse's Motorola VIP1216 and the MS Mediacenter interface.

When I had Surewest, the interface on the Scientific Atlanta was CLUNKY. Good HD PQ, crappy DVR (with not much storage space, either). Do you know the exact model of the boxes Surewest will use for WHDVR?

SureWest is getting whole home DVR, and it will not be IPTV. It will use the Scientific Atlanta (actually Cisco) boxes. No exact ETA, sorry...roughly 4-6 months.

The master box is set to be an 8652 Cisco box. Not sure about the slaves.

It still is a very clunky interface...

I noticed several comments about HD compression via various providers; cable, dish, Uverse, etc. While I won't pretend to know who gives the best re-processed signals to customers, I do know that OTA is the only way to view even half decent HD content. Native uncompressed 1080i video has a bit rate of about 1.5Gbps. CBS distributes it's HD content to affiliates via satellite at a bit rate of 45Mbps. The affiliate in turn has to re-encode that signal into the ATSC wrapper which maxes out at a shade over 19.3Mbps. Therefore a single channel OTA provider sends out an HD program at a maximum of 18.5Mbps since some overhead is required for other information to be transmitted. Stations that provide multiple programs must further reduce the size of each individual stream since all programs added together cannot exceed 18.5Mbps
So for cable, etc. TV providers to cram everything they wish to provide to their customers, they must further compress signals that are already compressed at least 500:1 (for 1080i) and somewhat less for 720p. Fox uses a system that doesn't require the affiliate to decode and re-encode the stream. To insert local commercials they "splice" the stream, but that presents other problems. For example, there is no way to super over the program for stuff like wx alerts and school closing info.
Bottom line, the only way to enjoy the best in HD possible is via antenna or to purchase blu-ray movies.

The Explorer 8652 has more internal memory, and responds quicker. The underlying SARA software is the same. However, the actual interface is going to look different. How much different, I don't know yet. I have not had the chance to play around with it yet.

I'm guessing the 8652 isn't available yet? My 8330 is needing replaced bad... it does nothing but spins up all night (very loud) and the HD is noisy when it records... if I'm taking it in to SureWest I would rather get the newest box.

No, they aren't available to be given out to customers yet, I'm sorry.