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post #31 of 265
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Originally posted by Brett Jason
So I have a 4516 ordered from Clearance due to arrive next week (it has been shipped already). Do I refuse delivery? Or is the consensus that everything will be OK?
I am in the same boat... hmm
post #32 of 265
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Originally posted by heathriel
Ahh, so they'll be left with IP.
Probably not. I'm sure that is part of the "assets" being sold to other companies.
post #33 of 265
Even though I'm a TiVo owner, I hope D&M continues to support and improve Replay. Competition in the DVR market is a good thing for all of us. :)

Good luck - there but for the grace of God...
post #34 of 265
I just hope they still support my dial-up units :( So that way I can ebay them and get the newer ones :)
post #35 of 265
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Originally posted by Brett Jason
So I have a 4516 ordered from Clearance due to arrive next week (it has been shipped already). Do I refuse delivery? Or is the consensus that everything will be OK?
My opinion is accept delivery, connect it, buy lifetime service and start using it. If the sale goes through, all will be ok. It is a bargain at the price you paid and not likely to be any cheaper so if you bought a product you understand and want, you are safer now than when you purchased it.

Chris
post #36 of 265
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Originally posted by Brett Jason
So I have a 4516 ordered from Clearance due to arrive next week (it has been shipped already). Do I refuse delivery? Or is the consensus that everything will be OK?
I'm a happy Replay customer, who bought a unit in December, and I hope the sale goes well for Replay. HOWEVER, if I was in your position I would refuse delivery. Why roll the dice?
post #37 of 265
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Originally posted by jagouar
I am in the same boat... hmm
Ditto on the great 4516 bargain... Fortunately, my estimated arrival date from UPS is 3/26, so I have until next Wednesday to make up my mind.
post #38 of 265
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Originally posted by arjay
Here's my theoretical question: If I don't let ReplayTV call in and instead use it without an EPG and just set up recordings manually much like an unsubbed TiVo, is there any way in which presently supported features could be deleted, even if new ReplayTV models may no longer have such capabilities?

As far as I know you must let it call in to establish service. Once you have lifetime service established you should be set. Nothing has been disclosed regarding required net connects to keep the current features enabled so they should not disappear in the future. Although it is possible that the controversial features could disappear or that SONICblue will disclose owners of all program sharing commercial skipping machines and that the FBI will come to your home and disable such activity, I don't think anything will happen. It should be smooth sailing through uncharted waters for such a devious person that insists on stealing TV paid for by commercials without watching the commercials. If you can live with yourself for having done such an unscrupulous thing, I think all will be fine.

Chris
post #39 of 265
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Originally posted by TheDreamer
Now I just wonder what to do about my SBLU stock....and where should I invest to continue to support ReplayTV?

The Dreamer
Buy ReplayTV products when needed and pay the subscription fees is all you can do. Ask what you can do with your stock on a board that permits stock talk or you can send me a pm and I can tell you what I would do if I owned any.

Chris
post #40 of 265
Well, you could sure find a lot worse white knights than D&M.

Then again, if anyone peeked at the amount of money I've given D in the last few years, they'd realize I'm a bit partisan on the subject.

This is actually starting to feel like a good thing.
post #41 of 265
the end must be near, toots is (almost) happy
post #42 of 265
I just called the rebate service center (I sent in rebates on my new 5040 roughly 3 weeks ago). They said that both had been received and processed, and that I should be getting my checks in 2-3 weeks, max. The guy I spoke to hadn't heard about the BK, but said it shouldn't effect my rebates.

jespring
post #43 of 265
I'm trying to decide if I should get the lifetime service now.. Not so much that its protected if the servie goes away (so i could use it as a digital vcr as discussed in other posts) But what if D&M decides to UP the montlhy fee like TiVo did? It's a gamble....

TOM
post #44 of 265
Or go UltimateTV and not give you an option...

Lifetime all the way, baybee.
post #45 of 265
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by heathriel
Lifetime all the way, baybee.
That's my plan too. I just received confirmation my new 4516 is on the way.
post #46 of 265
I don't understand why some would recommend lifetime service if the replaytv guide service may change? I have lifetime service, however, if the sonicbl replaytv unit is sold, wouldn't there be a chance that the corp. buyer would want a steady stream of revenue from the monthly fees that it could not recover from the lifetime fees that sonicbl has already squandered?

It seems to me, if I bought out the RTV unit, I would want everyone (including lifetime members) to pay a monthly fee or charge a "new" lifetime membership for the RTV guide service. I'm just thinking with a corp./business hat who usually think about how to make a profit.

Also, I don't understand what Kamtam meant by this "Not so much that its protected if the servie goes away (so i could use it as a digital vcr ...." Does this mean that month to month service subscribers can't use their replaytv whatsoever if no more replaytv service guide is available?
post #47 of 265
Yeah, the month-to-month boxes check with HQ every month to make sure the service is paid up. If they don't hear back, they shut themselves off.

The lifetime boxes, on the other hand, won't be shut off unless explicitly told to.
post #48 of 265
Yea, but at the same time, I would not want to piss off more than half of the userbase of ReplayTV. If they want me to pay another lifetime fee (which would be rediculous), I am going to switch to damn Tivo... (may be not Tivo, but I will wait until something better comes out...)
post #49 of 265
gatogordo

Great post. Those are questions no one here can answer. The only people that can are the brass of Sonic Blue and D&M holdings. And they are not saying. I'm holding as a monthly customer until I can make a more informed decision based on facts an not hopes
post #50 of 265
The D&M deal is not final. Read the text:

But D&M, the parent company of established audio equipment makers Denon Ltd. and Marantz Japan Inc., said its proposal was nonbinding and that it was still in talks with Sonicblue.

I switched to Tivo back in November because of the dual tuner DirecTV ability from the HDVR2. Besides the dual tuners Replay has a much better product than Tivo. I much prefer my Replay. This is the 2nd time Replay is being shuffled around. I don't think the PVR industry is doing well. They need to eliminate those montly fees if they want to get these boxes main stream.
post #51 of 265
What a load of crap. The purchaser of Replay TV has to realize that by buying Replay they have a moral, if not legal (if company does not actually go bankrupt and all obligations are discharged, even legal) obligation to fulfill the lifetime subscriptions. If they don't, they may have just thrown the purchase money down a black hole.
post #52 of 265
Hmmm. Now to decide if I should continue my monthly service or purchase the lifetime. I'm leaning to the lifetime.

One question to get clarification: I recently burchased my third ReplayTV box. I own a, upgraded 2001, a stock 2020, and a new 5040.

1. For the 5040, I'm currently month-to-month. If I pay for Lifetime and either the Guide service is cut off or I just don't let the ReplayTV box connect, what will happen? Can I still manually record? Can I set the clock? As I understand it, Lifetime gives certain "features" that month-to-month does not. Can anyone please clarify?

2. For the 2001 and 2020, it is generally accepted that a lifetime subscription was included with the purchase price. If this is true, what would happen to these boxes if no Guide data were available?

I am confident that the Guide service will continue in one form or another, but it would be nice to understand the whole picture.

Thanks!
post #53 of 265
Since lifetime is still offered to ReplayTV customers, I would feel very comfortable with buying lifetime service. Based on the current cost of lifetime service for the main competitor TiVo, the ReplayTV deal is a good one. It is not at all likely that a big consumer electronics company like D&M will purchase ReplayTV and then attempt to get out of a binding contract to provide service. I only own PVRs with lifetime service and if I was buying today I would still choose lifetime service. This is only my opinion so buy or don't buy at your own risk.

Chris
post #54 of 265
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Originally posted by BaysideBas
What a load of crap. The purchaser of Replay TV has to realize that by buying Replay they have a moral, if not legal (if company does not actually go bankrupt and all obligations are discharged, even legal) obligation to fulfill the lifetime subscriptions. If they don't, they may have just thrown the purchase money down a black hole.
At this point, I'm giving any RTV corporate buyer the benefit of the doubt. Why would they purposely piss off current owners, who are the most rabid, most tech-savvy, and most PVR-gospel-spreading folks they could ever hope to find?
post #55 of 265
Doesn't SonicBlue have several licensing deals with cable box manufacturers? It seems likely that these deals are the biggest attraction to potential buyers. With these agreements and more to come, the replay software and guide should be around for a long time.

I would not be surprised, however, if the buyer scaled back or even disabled the controversial features that are in question.

Every time I have used commercial advance, it skipped the end of at least one segment of the program I was watching and many times did not skip commercials at all.

The 30 second skip and time jump let you get through a show just fine. In addition, the channell guide has hour, 12 hour and day skip. There are more than enough features to maneuver through undesired programming
without CA.
post #56 of 265
Everybody makes the same mistake. CA isn't why the entertainment companies are sueing SB. Otherwise they would be sueing all the other manufacturers of CA enabled products (there are several besides SB). Remember SB doesn't own CA. They license it from a third party.

Show sharing is the feature that has the entertainment companies scared. If you read the lawsuit, that's what they are focusing on.
post #57 of 265
I agree, get rid of the controversial features if that keeps it all afloat. 30 second skip is all I really need.
post #58 of 265
OK .. another question then..(thanks for the many thoughts on the lifetime vs. dial up..i'm leanig to lifetime now)

IF show sharing gets disabled then would DV Archive still function? I really hope so, otherwise i orderd 240 gb of strage for nothing..

Buckle up kiddies! this is going to be a bumpy ride!

TOM
post #59 of 265
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Originally posted by asinshesq
Seems like fantastic news for this crownd -- assuming hte sale goes through as planned, the Replay business will be owned by a company with effectivley limitless resources.
Yeah, like Microsoft. That didn't keep Ultimate TV around. At least MS is still supporting it, but I wouldn't look at D&M to be forced to service the lifetime contracts.

Genesis went out of business, then Genesis Audio Technologies started up, offering the exact same models designed by the same person. All previous warranties were void, as they were with a different company. I would expect something similar from D&M, although they may allow you to resub for a reduced amount...
post #60 of 265
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Originally posted by joesc1
Everybody makes the same mistake. CA isn't why the entertainment companies are sueing SB. Otherwise they would be sueing all the other manufacturers of CA enabled products (there are several besides SB). Remember SB doesn't own CA. They license it from a third party.

I agree but do you know of any current product other than ReplayTV that uses CA? I purchased a JVC VCR in 1998 that had it and a replacement model in 2001 that didn't.

Chris
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