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post #31 of 263
4/22/03 at 11:59pm
thirdkind,

That's correct, most projectors do it this way.

I 100% agree with your assessment.

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post #32 of 263
4/23/03 at 7:44am
To confirm that the HD Leeza does perform "proper" 1080i deinterlacing, here's a response from Mike Tsinberg (of Key Digital) to an e-mail from me regarding the issue, posted with his permission:

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Jason,

De-interlacing question: bobs to 540p? First I hear. If we would do that all 1080i images would look terrible! The passthrough would look much nicer then this kind of bobbing...:)

Internally HDLeeza has two procedures:

[1] when you have 480i input - it first de-interlacing to 480p then scales 480p to all resolutions;

[2] when you have 1080i input - it first de-interlacing to 1080p then scales to all resolutions.

So no bobbing...:-)

The de-interlacing for 480i and 1080i is the same algorithm - motion adaptive, multi directional - no compromises or shortcuts. The algorithm is improved Clear Matrix. The internal DSP has much more power then software solution we used on Digital Leeza. We really proud of this work.

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Ofer,

Thanks for your confirmation.
post #33 of 263
4/23/03 at 7:47am
Jay, you need to clean out your PM mailbox. I tried to send you the SX21 Powerstrip settings.
post #34 of 263
4/23/03 at 7:48am
I'm drooling, but waiting ...
post #35 of 263
4/23/03 at 7:58am
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Originally posted by Free
Jay, you need to clean out your PM mailbox. I tried to send you the SX21 Powerstrip settings.
Doh. Sorry Phil. I made some room in there. Thanks for helping me out.
post #36 of 263
4/23/03 at 3:53pm
Going back to the original point of this thread, how many people think we'll see the HD Leeza on the 24th? How about this month?
post #37 of 263
4/23/03 at 4:35pm
since october 2002 i hear the same.
8 months later it was not on the marked!!!

i do not trust statements from this company anymore.
pity pity because i like to try it for hd 1080p with 48/72 hz.
may faroudia comes with a new unit earlier than the hd leeza.
and may also for a good price.
post #38 of 263
4/23/03 at 5:12pm
A dealer in Dallas for Key Digital says 1st or 2nd week of May

Jeff
post #39 of 263
4/23/03 at 6:00pm
Quote:
Originally posted by AVB
Going back to the original point of this thread, how many people think we'll see the HD Leeza on the 24th? How about this month?
This is a good question for ERIC BEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
post #40 of 263
4/23/03 at 8:42pm
Sounds to me like we have already heard directly from KD that the earliest the dealers will be getting any is mid-May and possibly late May with the next run after the "dealer" run occurring in early to mid-June.

I would not be betting the house on April 24 at this point.

It does sound like they have been adding goodies along the way though.

My experiences with KD have been very good.

Believe me because I speak from personal experience. Nobody anguishes more over missed release dates than the manufacturer. I am sure that the folks at KD are driving this process as hard as they can. I am not trying to make excuses for them. That said, from my perspective they are veritable paragons of customer service, especially when compared to some of their competitors.
post #41 of 263
4/23/03 at 9:33pm
The only thing worse that slipping the release is not slipping the release and shipping a crappy product. Some companies have been known to never meaningfully recover from such things. Neither is good, but if reality intrudes, slip the date and ship something you know works, when it's ready. Being a software engineer, I have no moral foot to stand on on this matter, so I have to be a bit forgiving I guess.
post #42 of 263
4/23/03 at 10:51pm
jnug,

My dealings with them have been similar to yours, there are no better group of guys nor a better run company in this business ( the folks at Stewart however are a very close second!!)

damon
post #43 of 263
4/23/03 at 11:55pm
W.Mayer,

They had one release date (Christmas 2002, I believe) that they missed.

After that, the only information they gave us was very recently (towards the end of this month). That means users/dealers will start getting them 1st or 2nd week of May (just as was described above).

You can trust them or not trust them, it's your choice... As you're in Germany, I can't fathom why HD would be of interest to you.

If you're trusting Faroudja to come out with a new product instead of the HD LEEZA, then you're obviously the wrong kind of person for this type of product. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to the kind of crap that Faroudja has been dishing out this past year or so...

In any case, I'm already getting some information from two different sources regarding this product. As one of them is banned here, I will not release that info (email me if you feel you *must* know more). Suffice it to say that it sounds like the product is on track and will be released in time.

In any case, I'm hoping the Israeli dealer will allow me to make an evaluation of the unit, once he receives it. As you all probably know, I've been without a scaler for some time (Ran from the projector forums has mine now) and my "eyes are getting weary" (to quote King of Queens).
post #44 of 263
4/24/03 at 12:30am
Well, in the few months of delay on this product, the number of genuinely competitive products that has reached the market is ..... ZERO.
post #45 of 263
4/24/03 at 11:39am
"You can trust them or not trust them, it's your choice... As you're in Germany, I can't fathom why HD would be of interest to you."

oferlaor
i have more than enough hd material to look at.
my screnn is 170"wide.not a small plasma where you cant see the difference from up convert dvd to hd some time.
i had in the past the faroudja 5000 and i can assure you the picture with the 5000 in 1080p together with a double stack sony g 90 was the best picture i ever saw.
opposite the dvd quality was NOT good with the faroudja.

and you are right i live in germany and i and many other germans don't like when company's again and again delays announced products.
its not our mentality here.do you like it?
"If you're trusting Faroudja to come out with a new product instead of the HD LEEZA, then you're obviously the wrong kind of person for this type of product"
i don't care which company will release a 1080p prozessor which can also handle 24/48/72 hz first but i don't understand your comment above.
seams you like to protect this company.
post #46 of 263
4/24/03 at 12:51pm
W. Mayer,

They have not "again and again" delayed this product. KD missed ONE announced ship date, back in December.

Out of curiosity, where are you getting HD material in Germany?
post #47 of 263
4/24/03 at 12:55pm
Ofer, I'll admit they missed one announced release date but when they contacted me for a CC number and said they were looking at an April 14th date it kinda got my hopes up.

Great that dealers will supposedly get some in the first or second week of May but it would be nice if this was communicated to those already on the waiting list.
post #48 of 263
4/24/03 at 3:04pm
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Originally posted by David F
Out of curiosity, where are you getting HD material in Germany?
David,

HD is easily accessible in Europe to those willing to search it out. That little thing called the Internet has it's uses...

Cheers,

Mark.
post #49 of 263
4/25/03 at 12:23am
W. Mayer,

I'm confused, what is your HD source (not what is your display)? Is it a computer? Don't just throw statements around without information...

170" wide? What exactly are you using to throw this image a 9" CRT? It sounds like you're more in the market for a Terranex.

Have keyDigital promised you, personally, something that we're not aware of?

As far as I know, they missed one deadline, period.

Mark_H,

Do you mean through D-theater recordings from the far east?
post #50 of 263
4/25/03 at 1:08am
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Originally posted by oferlaor
Mark_H,

Do you mean through D-theater recordings from the far east?
I use D-Theater and OTA recordings, all sourced from the US.

Mark
post #51 of 263
4/25/03 at 2:12am
Mark,

I had a friend who did it like that. The cost was high (he got some OTA recorded movies from the far east) and he ended up giving up and returning the unit.

If it had been any format other than tape (I HATE TAPE), I probably would have opted for it myself...
post #52 of 263
4/25/03 at 7:43am
Hi Ofer,

Well, what chance do we have in Europe (and I assume the Middle East), and especially the UK, of seeing HD broadcasts unless we import them? Zero?

I import all my DVDs/D-Theater from the US. I guess HD-DVD will be unavailable in Europe for some time after it hits the markets, so I expect to be importing those discs from the US too...

HD is such a huge jump in quality over SD that I am willing to pay the extra costs to get hold of the source material.

Mark.
post #53 of 263
4/25/03 at 8:09am
Mark,

I know what you mean. It's just too much trouble to do it this way for me.

I already have a ton of imported equipment that I'm scared to think will break (as it is imported, there's really no way to fix it, so if something breaks, it goes to the garbage bin). I would hate to have an expensive DTheater box break... In any case, there is some HDTV initiative in Europe (1080TV initiative), so you'll have it WAY before I do...

I love renting DVDs, as I only watch a rare amount of them more than once (I think it's simply too boring to watch the same movie more than once unless it's an exceptional movie - like "Brazil", "5th element", etc.).

When prices drop and HDVD comes out, I'll definitely go along. Given my hate for VHS tapes, D-VHS doesn't really "do it" for me...
post #54 of 263
4/25/03 at 12:20pm
I'm confused, what is your HD source (not what is your display)? Is it a computer? Don't just throw statements around without information...

why you are confused? i use d theater ,d vhs and some professional d 5 tapes.

170" wide? What exactly are you using to throw this image a 9" CRT? It sounds like you're more in the market for a Terranex.

when you read my last posting i told you already that i use in the past a double stack sony g 90(9" crt) and i change it 6 months ago to a 3 chip dlp 1280x1024 from digital projection (blacklight 4000)

Have keyDigital promised you, personally, something that we're not aware of? yes 2 times october and december 2002 by phone mike and the other one.

As far as I know, they missed one deadline, period.
right as far you know.see the above.

I can't fathom why HD would be of interest to you.
please please not more questions like this.
i have since 20 years a home cinema writing articles in germany and international home cinema magazins AND broadcast magazines.
post #55 of 263
4/26/03 at 5:00am
Getting back to the original topic....

Seems as though everybody trying to develop something in this category is running into timing issues (production, not video). Like I said a LONG time ago, I am willing to wait. This is likely to be THE breakthrough product that will finally bring us SOTA quality at a somewhat reasonable price.

I waited over 18 months for my pre/pro and am thrilled with it. If this product is delayed again, I may be forced into building an HTPC as a TEMPORARY solution but will probably not cancel my order.

Key has a reputation for high quality, high performance products at a fair price with outstanding customer support. A few months is a small price to pay in my mind to get that combination. And for my trouble and time, I already have an outstanding switcher from them for peanuts as an apology. Much more value than the interest than the deposit money would have earned.

Still waiting impatiently.
post #56 of 263
4/26/03 at 6:43am
Quote:
Originally posted by bpape
Getting back to the original topic....
If this product is delayed again, I may be forced into building an HTPC as a TEMPORARY solution but will probably not cancel my order.
I'm thinking along the same lines. Except instead of building an HTPC as a temporary solution I'd likely just pick up the Bravo D1 or upcoming Samsung DVI player to hold me over. Isn't it safe to assume that once of these DVD players with DVI would work equally as well as a HTPC without the hassle (and expense) of an HTPC? In any event I expect the modified Pana SDI into the HDleeza to be on an entirely different level of quality than any of the DVI players will produce. Agree?
post #57 of 263
4/26/03 at 4:11pm
Thread Starter 
Well, April 14 and April 24th have come and gone. No mention of anyone receiving their unit. My main problem is that I have been watching satellite only, 480i , from my Electrohome9500lc for the past few months. No DVD because I had sold my scaler to coincide with the release dates set out by Key. I must say that I have saved quite a bit on my weekly DVD purchases, and have been able to do other things with my time than compare minuscule differences in picture quality. But even with the extra cash and time I have saved, I miss properly scaled video and film from my projector. I could have held on to my old scaler or purchased an interim one if they gave everybody the proper release dates. The nature of most of the people on this forum is, if it is better they will sell their old unit, and purchase the new one. I feel that the inability to miss their release dates was intentional. Where they missed the boat I believe is most people like myself would have purchased an interim scaler and sold it and purchased the HD Leeza when it came out and was proved to be better by the reviewers on this forum. I cannot wait another month( May 14th) I do not not about anyone else but home theater is a big part of my recreational time and 480i is just not cutting it.
My 2 cents Joey Calda
post #58 of 263
4/27/03 at 12:15am
"I feel that the inability to miss their release dates was intentional."

I have no idea what this accusation is actually saying, but if it accusing Key Digital of some kind of conspiracy, it is just flat-out wrong.
post #59 of 263
4/27/03 at 2:13am
Michael is back Monday so I guess there will be news then.

Gordon
post #60 of 263
4/27/03 at 2:27am
Not sure what a DVD player with DVI has to do with having properly scaled video. Especially for those of us with CRTs without DVI inputs.

As for the temporary HTPC solution, once the LEEZA comes out, I will move the HTPC upstairs to my RPTV and it will also do double duty as a music server. That way, I can have an HD tuner upstairs too. :D
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