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post #1111 of 1233
Just trying to keep this thread going.
NFL Redzone showed up on channel 430. Of course they won't have anythng on it until Sept 8th. But good news to see up to date highlights of out of market games.
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Redzone and NFL Network were announced in my Aug 23 bill. Nothing else thought. So at least another month before we get any more HD.
post #1113 of 1233
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Originally Posted by LesMoss View Post
Redzone and NFL Network were announced in my Aug 23 bill. Nothing else thought. So at least another month before we get any more HD.
Les,
Our SDV will be done next month, but I've been reading in other local threads it takes 3-6 months to align and get local contracts set up before any additions will be placed in our line-up. Maybe we will get lucky and get additions sooner.

I wish announcements would show up in my line-up! uggghhhh!
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What happens when they turn on SDV? Are they going to eliminate some analog Expanded Basic channels? Which channels are going to be switched?
What will they use the extra bandwidth for if not more channels? Possibly more Internet capacity?
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Originally Posted by LesMoss View Post

What happens when they turn on SDV? Are they going to eliminate some analog Expanded Basic channels? Which channels are going to be switched?
What will they use the extra bandwidth for if not more channels? Possibly more Internet capacity?

THose are all possible scenarios, depends on the market. U will probably have to pm umatter2charter in late sept to find out which ones they are going to utilize first.
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Just got a pm from umatter that sdv is now active in the county. Still no confirmed channel additions. IMO that's probably 3-6 months away from looking at other areas.
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KSBY is now showing HD syndicated shows -- they have Ellen on right now in HD. This should hopefully improve the picture quality of their SD content as well.

Also, for those that live in the Santa Barbara area, KSBY translator K10PV-D is once again passing through the bitstream of KSBY DT-15. This has a much higher bandwidth for 6.1 (sometimes 4 mbps more for video and 384 instead of 192 kbps for audio) than what K10PV-D used to broadcast and what is still carried on COX 706. Especially if you record HD content off NBC it might be worth investigating an antenna set up.
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Some new KSBY screen caps (sourced from K10PV-D). I rarely see the KSBY news so I don't know if the better PQ is due to the upgrade to K10PV-D or the HD syndication hardware. Didn't see any signs of local HD commercials though.

Ellen ending

American Airlines closed captioning

KSBY news promo -- they just cut off the top and bottom of the 4:3 field to get 16:9

KSBY news open -- the center pictures of the winery and mission bell etc look much clearer than I remember.

The news itself was all 4:3.

Jeopardy HD

Wheel of Fortune HD
post #1119 of 1233
This brings KSBY up to the capabilities KCOY/KKFX had before they started airing HD news.

Now if only KEYT could upgrade and fix their poor encoder settings...
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Since I set up an outdoor antenna to pick up the K10PV-D translator, I've noticed that it frequently stops broadcasting KSBY and the CW, will instead just send out null packets for a period (my TiVo characterizes this as having a signal lock but not a program lock). When I run RF10 through TSReader, it just reports on the null packets but shows a strong signal.

Any ideas before I try calling the KSBY engineering department?
post #1121 of 1233
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Originally Posted by mjjckc View Post

This brings KSBY up to the capabilities KCOY/KKFX had before they started airing HD news.


umm, not really, they don't do their audio in DD5.1, they only send out digital stereo.
post #1122 of 1233
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Originally Posted by mthompso105 View Post

umm, not really, they don't do their audio in DD5.1, they only send out digital stereo.

Oops, quite true! Ironically today I called the KSBY engineering department about their translator and the Cox PQ issue, and I used the 384 kbps (on KSBY DT 15) vs 192 kbps (on Cox) stereo audio difference to try and prove the signals weren't identical.
post #1123 of 1233
To all charter customers! Charter has a new charter community forum http://community.charter.com/

Please go on there and make channel requests! The more input we give them on what we want the better. They do actually use it!
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post #1125 of 1233
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Originally Posted by mjjckc View Post

Since I set up an outdoor antenna to pick up the K10PV-D translator, I've noticed that it frequently stops broadcasting KSBY and the CW, will instead just send out null packets for a period (my TiVo characterizes this as having a signal lock but not a program lock). When I run RF10 through TSReader, it just reports on the null packets but shows a strong signal.

Any ideas before I try calling the KSBY engineering department?

I've seen the same thing. Let me know if you get a response.

-David
post #1126 of 1233
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Originally Posted by dbosso View Post

I've seen the same thing. Let me know if you get a response.

-David

I called KSBY chief engineer Bill Ingram over a week ago. He said that KSBY picks up their original signal in Santa Maria, then microwaves it to the translator. Whenever there is an issue with the OTA pickup in SM or the microwave is spotty, that is reflected in what K10PV-D broadcasts (when I was in Bishop, I noticed a similar issue with the NBC Reno translator there when I was capping it for Trip to include on RabbitEars -- having a full signal with all null packets). Ingram also mentioned that this is why K10PV-D goes back and forth from rebroadcasting KSBY-DT 15 to sending out the inferior Cox cable fiber feed.

Why KSBY can't spend 2 seconds to look at the Cox cable fiber settings is beyond me. Ingram intends for the third subchannel of the Cox feed (the SD version of NBC) to split the bandwidth with the CW and not degrade 6.1. If enough people complain, they might fix the translator signal issues or reset the Cox feed.

So please do call yourself, and anyone else in the SB area. We shouldn't have to deal with an inferior NBC either OTA or from Cox.
post #1127 of 1233
I was setting up my clear QAM USB tuner today and noticed several HD channels have moved.

KKFX is now 50-5
KCAL is now 44-709
KOCE is now 44-7010
KPMR is now 48-716

KEYT, KCET, KSBY, KCOY, and the SD CW and MNTV all remain at their original locations.
post #1128 of 1233
So Sunday morning when I am hoping to watch football, all of a sudden KKFX is no longer there. I saw you comment that KKFX was moved to 50-5 but I am not able to find that on my TV when I either scan (the channels are in the 70- through 110- range) or manually enter the channel. When I manually enter, I get "Channel Not Available"

I have a Vizio TV (VF552XVT) and Cox internet service but no cable TV service. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
post #1129 of 1233
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Originally Posted by randyoaks187 View Post

So Sunday morning when I am hoping to watch football, all of a sudden KKFX is no longer there. I saw you comment that KKFX was moved to 50-5 but I am not able to find that on my TV when I either scan (the channels are in the 70- through 110- range) or manually enter the channel. When I manually enter, I get "Channel Not Available"

I have a Vizio TV (VF552XVT) and Cox internet service but no cable TV service. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

My own clearQAM USB tuner isn't picking up KKFX in a scan. The only way I was able to register KKFX was by looking up the 381 MHZ frequency my TiVo indicated and typing that into TSReader to get it to register on 50-5. I then inputted that into Windows Media Center so I could view it on my laptop. It might be possible COX is starting to use multiple QAM variations in the Santa Barbara area -- I live in Carpinteria but get the county, SB city, and Goleta public access channels too FWIW.

Are you picking up KOCE/KCAL/KPMR in HD?

One idea might be to do a double re-scan. First unplug the coax, and scan to clean out your TV's memory. Then re-attach the cable and scan again and see what shows up. I know that sometimes works with digital to analog converter boxes if something isn't showing up OTA -- but QAM can be a lot more flaky.
post #1130 of 1233
I curse Cox SB for changing their physical channel assignments so frequently! Is this a campaign to make me rent a cable box? It just motivates me to use bitorrent more

Sometimes I can access a new channel assignment without re-scanning. This time I had to rescan. That sucks because after scanning (which takes 30+ minutes to do) my Panasonic G20 forgets all the channel labels I manually entered the last time

Anyways, here are the HD channels found in my legacy basic lineup:

KKFX 50-5
KPMR 48-716 (same as before the change)
KOCE 44-5
KCAL 44-3

ABC 114-3
CBS 83-3
NBC 83-2
KCET 111-100
post #1131 of 1233
Thanks much to mjjckc and hydrogin ... I never got any chanels in the 40- or 50- range before (and I don't still, KCAL HD and KKFX HD were the only ones that I had unblocked ... not sure what the others you listed were) ... I will try a full re-scan tonight. Could this be a limitation of the tuner in my TV?

Thought about calling VIZIO tech support, but I am already dealing with Verizon's right now for a cell phone who's WiFi won't turn on. LOL I can only handle one tech support call per 48 hour period or my head might explode.

And amen to hydrogin on the Cox just begging me to get a box ... I love the service I have now, because I can watch football in HD ... that's all I need with Netflix streaming. But if I can't get KKFX where my beloved niners are usually on I might have to do something about it.
post #1132 of 1233
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Originally Posted by randyoaks187 View Post

Thanks much to mjjckc and hydrogin ... I never got any chanels in the 40- or 50- range before (and I don't still, KCAL HD and KKFX HD were the only ones that I had unblocked ... not sure what the others you listed were) ... I will try a full re-scan tonight. Could this be a limitation of the tuner in my TV?

Thought about calling VIZIO tech support, but I am already dealing with Verizon's right now for a cell phone who's WiFi won't turn on. LOL I can only handle one tech support call per 48 hour period or my head might explode.

And amen to hydrogin on the Cox just begging me to get a box ... I love the service I have now, because I can watch football in HD ... that's all I need with Netflix streaming. But if I can't get KKFX where my beloved niners are usually on I might have to do something about it.

One thing that could have happened was that when your TV first scanned months/years ago, the QAM frequency for 50-5 existed but was an encrypted channel, so the TV recognized it as "locked" and isn't able to recognize that channel has been unlocked. Before I bought my new Windows 7 laptop with WMC this would happen with the program that came with my old USB tuner.
post #1133 of 1233
Speaking of Windows 7 laptops ... those based on Intel Core i3, i5, and i7 processors have graphics built right into the CPU and they all come with HDMI outputs.

So if the content you're interested in isn't available with your cable lineup, but its streaming online (e.g. a sports event on espn3.com), you can connect your laptop to your HDTV with an HDMI cable and watch either live or recorded events. That's how I watched US Open Tennis this year.

p.s. Unfortunately, I just found out the NFL is really stingy about game distribution:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...way/50220232/1

But if you google "nfl games online" there appear to be some options that look somewhat legit (probably with offshore servers).
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I tried the suggestion of mjjckc by scanning with cable un-plugged to clear the channel memory and then re-scanning. Sadly this didn't work. The scan still only picks up channels in the range 75- through 130-. I have a couple of el cheapo co-workers who are in the same boat and have passed on your trick to them ... one has a VIZIO and the other I am not sure of. I will see what they have to say and report back. Perhaps I will have to call Vizio after all. Thanks again to mjjckc for the help.
post #1135 of 1233
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Originally Posted by randyoaks187 View Post

I tried the suggestion of mjjckc by scanning with cable un-plugged to clear the channel memory and then re-scanning. Sadly this didn't work. The scan still only picks up channels in the range 75- through 130-. I have a couple of el cheapo co-workers who are in the same boat and have passed on your trick to them ... one has a VIZIO and the other I am not sure of. I will see what they have to say and report back. Perhaps I will have to call Vizio after all. Thanks again to mjjckc for the help.

I just saw the part about you having cable internet only. Most likely Cox has put a signal trap on the line running to your house, which is blocking you from picking up the channels before 75. You probably shouldn't be picking up anything FWIW but at least FOX in SD should still be there.

You could get Cox's basic TV package, but that's $30 + a month I think since they don't offer "lifeline" cable with just the network channels.

Depending on where you live, another option would be to put up an outdoor antenna and attempt to pick up KTTV from LA. Zoom in on where you live on this map from RabbitEars and see if you are orange or red. You might be able to pick up KTLA for the CW in HD and a better version of NBC picture quality wise too with an antenna. TVFool.com would also give you an idea about reception.

Rincon Mountain blocks the LA signals where I live, but in downtown SB I've been able to pick up several LA and San Diego stations.
post #1136 of 1233
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Originally Posted by mjjckc View Post

Zoom in on where you live on this map from RabbitEars and see if you are orange or red.

That's a helpful map. How did you navigate that site to get to the maps?
post #1137 of 1233
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Originally Posted by hydrogin View Post

That's a helpful map. How did you navigate that site to get to the maps?

Go to http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php

Scroll down the market list (Trip doesn't use the Neilsen DMAs) or type in the call letter of the station to look up.

Click on the station you want to see

Click Technical Data and Screencaps

Click on the antenna symbol to the right of the RF channel

post #1138 of 1233
That was not obvious, thanks. I wonder how they generate that coverage info ... computer-generated using topo maps (maps with elevation countour info) or sending someone out to the field with a receiver?
post #1139 of 1233
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Originally Posted by hydrogin View Post

That was not obvious, thanks.

I keep saying I need to make it more obvious and then never do. I'm very much not a designer.

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I wonder how they generate that coverage info ... computer-generated using topo maps (maps with elevation countour info) or sending someone out to the field with a receiver?

It's generated with SPLAT plus some other tools to process the data SPLAT provides. I use version 1.3.0 because I found the ITWOM model included in 1.4.0 to be inaccurate.

SPLAT: http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/splat.html

- Trip
post #1140 of 1233
Now that I've done it a few times, its not so bad. The way the info falls down in the hierarchy does make sense

I have some friends at the local university who work on GIS applications so will pass along the SPLAT! link.

Thanks for putting together a very useful website Trip.
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