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post #811 of 1233
TV Fool has a great new tool where you put in your address and it produces an interactive Google Map and a list of all the stations with radio buttons. When you click a radio button of a station, it gives you a coverage area map for that station, with your location also marked on the map.

I did this for Ch 27 (virtual 3.1) ABC and it was very interesting. It seems that every bit of elevation of your house helps the reception. All the upper middle class hillside homes in Pismo Beach and Arroyo Grande have a better signal, while the working class homes down in the flats need a high antenna or an amplifier. Being up on the plateau helps, all of the Nipomo area has a good signal, but being in the lee of the plateau, like eastern Oceano is worse. The flats of Santa Maria is also not good, being in the lee of their surrounding hills and also in the lee of their local broadcasting antennas (interference).

Anyway, the TV fool interactive tool is at:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90

As far as PBS goes, it seems clear that they are going to use the same frequency and antenna location to broadcast digitally on channel 16 that they are now using to broadcast analog, so they must simply not be ready to convert over.
post #812 of 1233
I read the above discussion on PBS on Channel 16, and decided to contact them directly and ask, and I was able to get very clear information.

The short form is that we should have PBS on KCET in HD by spring, and several other SD PBS channels as well. Read on:

Quote:
We have just been awarded a federal grant to secure the needed funds to upgrade all of our local translators to digital. We have already begun ordering the necessary components and other than the potential for the winter rainy season slowing things
down, our goal is to change K16FC to K16FC-D by spring. We have also done a secondary engineering study for your area based on the recent events of reduced signal quality due to KSBY moving from channel 6 where they used to broadcast analog to channel
15 when they switched to digital operations in February.

With the change to digital operation, the overloading induced by KSBY's digital signal in the analog TV receiver causing snowy pictures or loss of signal altogether for some viewers should be a thing of the past.

We will be launching a media and member campaign in your area in advance of the switch over in order to get as many people ready as possible.

Thank you for your interest in KCET's plans for digital operations in your area and of course for being a dedicated KCET viewer.

Jeremy Howard
RF and Transmission Supervisor
KCET-TV

I then asked whether the channel would be in HD, and this was the reply:

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Actually, when we go digital, we will have 4 different KCET multicast channels on the air. KCET will be better than ever, and I'm not just talking about digital quality.

Our primary KCET channel will be 16.1 for your area and it is the same program schedule as the analog or SD 4:3 aspect ratio that we currently broadcast but in HD and 16:9. We will also be airing our Orange channel which offers art, cooking, travel, and
other more adult oriented programming. PBS V-Me is a PBS Spanish language channel and offers both adult and children's programming. Last, but not least is PBS World, which offers news and public affairs programming. No more waiting for 5pm for the
kids programming to end to get your news and financial information. These services will be offered in SD or standard definition which means 4:3 aspect ratio.

I don't mind if you post this as it really helps to get the word out.
post #813 of 1233
I was watching Flash Forward on my Samsung TV directly connected to the cable, and I noticed on my AV receiver that the audio was 2.0 rather than 5.1. This was on KEYT ch# 114-3, I know CBS HD and Fox HD come in at 5.1, is this just an issue with this show, (I'm pretty sure this show is supposed to be 5.1), or is this a KEYT thing. I haven't been able to see if any other shows are coming in at 2.0 on this channel yet, though I watched it yesterday and didn't notice anything, but I also don't specifically remember looking at what the shows were outputting their audio at, so I might just not of noticed it.
post #814 of 1233
Shorties
Long story short, I think it is a KEYT thing. I get KEYT another way yet have only 2.0 audio from them also.
post #815 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Ingram 2 View Post

A_Dude, does Jeremy Howard Know by any chance, If Bakersfield viewers will receive KCET 28 HD. KCET anolog station UHF channel 46 is broadcasting from the Bank OF America building off of Truxtun Avenue, in Bakersfield, Cal.
Thanks

He replied:

Quote:


Same basic plans for Bakersfield as well as all of our existing translators. I am coordinating all of them right now. The only difference is that the Bakersfield signal isn't being pounded to death by an adjacent high power digital station like you folks [he is referring to San Luis Obispo]. The one factor that affects Bakersfield is that the receive site we use on Frazier Mtn. to microwave our LA signal to the channel 46 transmitter is over 8000' so if winter arrives too early, we may have to wait until spring in order to complete that part of the project.

Until I get solid delivery dates for the various parts for all of the translator upgrades, I can't give any estimates of when each site will be switched to digital.

Jeremy
post #816 of 1233
It turns out that Engineers rarely get emails and are happy to answer them, but the commercial aspect of the business of the channels other than PBS, makes them reluctant to post anything publicly or allow anything to be posted. (This is somewhat illogical, because when I emailed them, I was just some anonymous viewer, so how is it different to tell one anonymous viewer from all anonymous viewers ?)

So, I have to paraphrase, and just the give the overall situations:

- FOX in SLO is owned by the people who own CBS in SLO. Right now, CBS is in HD on the digital transmitter and Fox is in SD. This is because CBS allows them to run a slightly lower bandwidth HD signal, while FOX national office will not. They hope to get a permit to build a separate digital transmitter for FOX, but since they do not even have the permit yet, we are talking a couple of years before it would be operational.

- ABC does have a permit to convert its existing K57BC transmitter to digital, which would then provide coverage for SLO. In this case, it is simply whether funds will be budgeted to do the job.

- As mentioned before, KCET-PBS was able to get a federal grant to convert its analog repeaters to digital, and so this will happen in 2010 (with luck in the first half of 2010).

However, the commercial stations all state that 95% of their customers get local stations from cable or satellite, and that they have very little motivation to do anything about OTA service.

I get the impression that if it were impossible to convert an analog transmitter to digital, then all local stations today would only be on cable or satellite.

SUMMARY:

- PBS to convert SLO in 2010, with luck first half of 2010.
- ABC hopes to have funds to convert SLO in 2010.
- FOX "plans" to build a digital transmitter in SLO, more likely in 2011.

Please do not send angry emails about any of these situations. In this economy, money is tight for everyone, and local stations are struggling to pay the bills amidst increasing competition. So, at least be polite.
post #817 of 1233
Another viewer in Bakersfield curious about the KCET translator situation. "Please do not send angry e-mails"? That must be why KCET never responded to mine! In Bakersfield KVPT PBS from Fresno has a digital translator on RF and virtual channel 18. They started broadcasting that signal in April 2008 and they shut off analog channel 34 in February 2009. In my e-mail to KCET I said that I will not watch snowy letterboxed and sometimes pillarbox in letterbox KCET in analog when I can get KVPT in digital snow free HD that I can choose how to display on SD sets. I guess they don't respond to e-mails that are only gripes!
post #818 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert Hawk View Post

Another viewer in Bakersfield curious about the KCET translator situation. "Please do not send angry e-mails"? That must be why KCET never responded to mine! In Bakersfield KVPT PBS from Fresno has a digital translator on RF and virtual channel 18. They started broadcasting that signal in April 2008 and they shut off analog channel 34 in February 2009. In my e-mail to KCET I said that I will not watch snowy letterboxed and sometimes pillarbox in letterbox KCET in analog when I can get KVPT in digital snow free HD that I can choose how to display on SD sets. I guess they don't respond to e-mails that are only gripes!

They already answered !!

Read my post above that has the word "Bakersfield", post # 816.
post #819 of 1233
I sent KCET thta e-mail in early September and they never responded to me.
post #820 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert Hawk View Post

I sent KCET thta e-mail in early September and they never responded to me.

Perhaps it ended up in their SPAM folder by accident.

Anyway, the Bakersfield information is in the post. Summary of the status is that they are waiting for the transmitter parts company to give them a firm delivery date.
post #821 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by mthompso105 View Post

Shorties
Long story short, I think it is a KEYT thing. I get KEYT another way yet have only 2.0 audio from them also.

Ugh, I wonder if they have any plans to upgrade that before Lost premieres next year.
post #822 of 1233
Is anyone in the Santa Barbara area seeing KBAB-LP 50 on the air digitally? If so, what is it airing?

- Trip
post #823 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by shorties View Post

Ugh, I wonder if they have any plans to upgrade that before Lost premieres next year.

Unlikely.

It turns out that ABC used to provide affiliates with a single 5.1 stream that they could simply patch directly to the transmitter. Six months ago, they changed to providing ten separate channels (the six channels of 5.1 plus a stereo downmix and a Spanish language stereo downmix), and evidently due to the recession, KEYT apparently does not have the extra funds to acquire and install the necessary professional level equipment to encode the 5.1 feed themselves, so they provide the stereo downmix instead.

PS Where I lived before, the ABC affiliate only provided mono audio until the digital transition required them to make changes.
post #824 of 1233
They are running the same digital stream as KJLA-DT 49 from Mt. Wilson.
post #825 of 1233
Another station in Santa Barbara has filed a license app. KVMM-LD 41. I am betting the station is airing MTV tr3s, but I could be wrong. Can I get a confirmation as to whether it's on the air, and if so, how it's mapping and what it's airing?

- Trip
post #826 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Another station in Santa Barbara has filed a license app. KVMM-LD 41. I am betting the station is airing MTV tr3s, but I could be wrong. Can I get a confirmation as to whether it's on the air, and if so, how it's mapping and what it's airing?

I'm not in front of my TV right now (I'll check later), but there is a channel in the area that airs MTV tr3s (I just can't remember the channel number).

Out of curiosity, why does someone in Virginia care about Santa Barbara ??
post #827 of 1233
Because I run www.rabbitears.info which lists stations nationwide.

- Trip
post #828 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Dude View Post

Unlikely.

It turns out that ABC used to provide affiliates with a single 5.1 stream that they could simply patch directly to the transmitter. Six months ago, they changed to providing ten separate channels (the six channels of 5.1 plus a stereo downmix and a Spanish language stereo downmix), and evidently due to the recession, KEYT apparently does not have the extra funds to acquire and install the necessary professional level equipment to encode the 5.1 feed themselves, so they provide the stereo downmix instead.

PS Where I lived before, the ABC affiliate only provided mono audio until the digital transition required them to make changes.

Ouch (To the mono thing), well, thats good to know. Another thing I noticed just recently is that KEYT doesn't look HD, it says its an HD stream, but it feels and looks like a 720p stream that has been downgraded to 480p. Especially compared to Fox or CBS HD networks, it just seems low quality. Is KEYT ABC HD actually HD? Do they just produce a lower quality broadcast compared to the rest of the networks? Or am I just mistaken.
post #829 of 1233
Dang !

It is very difficult getting KEYT-DT in the 5 cities area.

Supposedly it is transmitted from the same place as Univision, and 5 db weaker.

I added a Winegard preamp and amplifier set, and tweaked the position and orientation of the antenna and it improved Univision from Fair to Good (borderline Strong), and yet I still get zero on RF channel 27...
post #830 of 1233
A-Dude, thanks for finding out the scoop on KCET near San Luis Obispo. I am thrilled that they will be multi-casting (didn't know that was possible on a translator station). I sent a thank you note to KCET about it.

I've gotten used to not watching KEYT, so I'm not missing it anymore, but it would be nice if they converted. (If I recall correctly, the digital version would be on Channel 31, instead of 57.)
post #831 of 1233
Is anyone able to get K28GY in Goleta? This is supposedly the KCET channel 28 repeater on broadcast peak. I get KEYT from BP just fine, but I've never been able to tune 28. I can get the K26FT channel 26 repeater off of Gibraltar which is not LoS, and is farther away. 26 has a few dropouts though depending on weather.

28 shows up on antennaweb and tvfool - is it not really there, or is it maybe pointed away from me?

thanks.
post #832 of 1233
It's not yet on the air.

- Trip
post #833 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

It's not yet on the air.

- Trip

Well that would explain it. It's been showing up everywhere for at least the 6 months I've been looking at OTA HDTV, and I've never seen a note to that effect. Anyone know when it's slated to go online?

-David
post #834 of 1233
I heard Spring. There was a message posted here a few pages back I think about it.

- Trip
post #835 of 1233
I am up near Islay Hill and am having trouble bringing any signal, even KSBY. I've tried a DIY Antenna design as well as an amplified indoor/outdoor one. Both have been mounted in my attic. I randomly got received KCOY and FOX during some initial testing and when I first built the DIY antenna I was able to get KSBY and CW in clearly. But now I can't pull anything at all. If there are any others in SLO that have had better luck I would like to hear from you.

Antenna:
UHF 470-870 MHz
VHF 47-230 MHz
Gain 20 +/- 3dB

TV:
Panasonic TC-P50G10
Visio VX37L
post #836 of 1233
I see a number of SLO folks in here but no SLO thread but I posted a reception issue to "San Luis Obispo, CA - HDTV" thread. Or did it need to go here? I'm looking for help to figure out how to get any signal in this dead zone we live in. Thanks!
post #837 of 1233
Probably should have gone here.

- Trip
post #838 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by dustind View Post

I see a number of SLO folks in here but no SLO thread but I posted a reception issue to "San Luis Obispo, CA - HDTV" thread. Or did it need to go here? I'm looking for help to figure out how to get any signal in this dead zone we live in. Thanks!

I've always just posted here--didn't even know there was a SLO thread.

We live in a dead zone in Grover and can't take advantage of OTA broadcast/reception without going through the crazy, crazy hoops of antenna building, mounting, and installation. With Dish 'til Nov '11.

Still poke my head in here once in a while to keep up to date though. There's a few other posters who live locally. Sure they'll chime in.

-Oh, and welcome! Great forum here, lots of info & help.
post #839 of 1233
We get KCOY (CBS) and KKFX (Fox), KSBY (NBC) and CW, and several Spanish stations via digital indoor antennas.

I've found that 1/4 inch of movement makes a big difference for KCOY (and therefore KKFX). I used TVfool.com's website tool to find station transmitter location (SE, just east of the Edna Valley from directionally from SLO) so I knew where to start for locating the KCOY signal. I use an amplified antenna for each TV. Amplification appears to be necessary for us to receive the KCOY signal.

KSBY's signal is so overpowering that I have the back of the antennas pointing toward the transmission tower on Cuesta ridge and still receive KSBY and CW fine.

I've found that the sensitivity/quality of the TV tuner makes a large difference as well. Two of our TVs are actually computers with a USB TV tuner. I changed the tuner on of them and got better reception for KCOY, its rock solid and looks great now.

The third TV is a 25 inch Hannspree TV from Costco. It seems to have the best tuner of them all as it can receive the TV signals perfectly at a much lower indicated signal strength. It also has an analog tuner and receives PBS (from their Cuesta ridge site) as well.

The computers are each using a cheapo digital antenna from Monoprice. The Hannspree TV is using the Terk HDTVa antenna.

Hope this helps! Keep at it, it took me many hours of tweaking the antenna direction and location (changed walls, then put it in a window, etc.).
post #840 of 1233
Quote:
Originally Posted by dustind View Post

I see a number of SLO folks in here but no SLO thread but I posted a reception issue to "San Luis Obispo, CA - HDTV" thread. Or did it need to go here? I'm looking for help to figure out how to get any signal in this dead zone we live in. Thanks!

dustind,

I posted a lengthy reply to your post in the "San Luis Obispo - HDTV" thread you started, with my experiences with receiving OTA in SLO. We receive KCOY, KSBY, Fox, CW and several Spanish stations with only indoor antennas. Check it out.
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