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post #61 of 415
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Originally posted by Mad Dog
actually Bghead8che did break in the speakers before doing his comparison...in fact it took him 2 weeks to write up his formal review after his introductory clips...

and he did in fact mention that the comparison was level matched...

Apologies!!!
As I was typing on something else. I was quickly going through my mental reference and was thinking of another review. I have searched for his review and found that it isn't remotely the one I had in mind. My bad. Although it was not the main point of my post. The main point however was understood after a few others restated it. Thus forcing me to rethink whether I should waste my time posting:)
post #62 of 415
Does anyone have a frequency response graph for the Rockets?

All the arguments on this thread are highly subjective and personal.

A frequency response graph in this case would be very helpful, at least there are objective numbers we can talk about. And in my opinion, the flatter the response curve, the more neutral the sound reproduction.
post #63 of 415
4Seasons,

The is one on the Rocket site I believe. There is not one that is done by an independent party, however.

-Brian
post #64 of 415
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Originally posted by Bghead8che
4Seasons,

The is one on the Rocket site I believe. There is not one that is done by an independent party, however.

-Brian
Hello Brian...

You are 100% right... they were done by Dick Pierce...

Bascom H. King ex of Audio Magazine is finishing all of this up now... I had most of the data... and then we added more speakers... so I'm late as usual... :)

Bascom IS my friend (all the way back from Infinity Days and Audio Alchemy. P-Tech and of course... Genesis)... but he will not mess with any measurements... To "know the Doctor is the love the Doctor"...

You'll see this data shortly...

All the best...

mls
post #65 of 415
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Originally posted by Bghead8che
4Seasons,

The is one on the Rocket site I believe. There is not one that is done by an independent party, however.

-Brian
Correct...for most of the speakers, you can find the response information here www.rocketloudspeakers.com (the manufacturer site...AV123 is the storefront). Those that are "coming soon" are currently (literally right now) under test and will be posted shortly. Ref curves will follow soon as well.

As of yet, there are not independant measurements, as the speakers have yet to be reviewed by a publication that's chosen to do so. You can bet there will be in the near future, though.

EDIT: Given Mark's post, that is apparently "nearer" than I thought!

Thanks to all for getting this thread back on track and avoiding the wrath of Bott. :)
post #66 of 415
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Originally posted by Steve Ozmai
Correct...for most of the speakers, you can find the response information here www.rocketloudspeakers.com (the manufacturer site...AV123 is the storefront). Those that are "coming soon" are currently (literally right now) under test and will be posted shortly. Ref curves will follow soon as well.

As of yet, there are not independant measurements, as the speakers have yet to be reviewed by a publication that's chosen to do so. You can bet there will be in the near future, though.

EDIT: Given Mark's post, that is apparently "nearer" than I thought!

Thanks to all for getting this thread back on track and avoiding the wrath of Bott. :)
There are two print type publication reviews coming soon... and at least two Internet type reviews coming as well...

More are brewing... but I can attest to the above for sure...

All the best...

mls
post #67 of 415
Will there be charts of the Ref series as well as the Rockets??
post #68 of 415
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Originally posted by hectic1
Will there be charts of the Ref series as well as the Rockets??
Yes...there will most definitely be the same information for Ref's as is for Rockets. It's likely not going to be on the site upon first release, but will follow shortly. In addition, Fusion VR for the Ref's (the cool interactive 3D models you see for Rocket) will be added later.
post #69 of 415
Where has Sean been hiding lately.....Did my bombardment of questions finally make him quit?
post #70 of 415
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Originally posted by hectic1
Where has Sean been hiding lately.....Did my bombardment of questions finally make him quit?
Ahh...so I see what's going on here. You're baiting us to get so frustrated that we just walk away...then suddenly on the fax machine comes the hectic1 resume. Clever...very clever. :)
post #71 of 415
Shoot no need for me to bait you guys, I'll flat out tell you that I want your job!!!:D
post #72 of 415
RT297,

Apparently I am not alone in. I copied this from the AV123 forum from a poster named blkwrxwgn:

<<<<Now my honest opinion on the Rockets. This was my first time listening to the Rockets. When I first saw them I was really amazed at the build quality. The finish is not my cup of tea but they are truley beyond anything else in their price range. When I first heard them with music I thought something was wrong. My wife was there too and she looked at me kind of puzzled and asked "what are they listening to?". I could have sworn it was a bad MP3 recording, in fact that is what I told her at first. I then looked at saw that the CD player was on and playing. To be completely honest I did not like how they sounded. Sounded like they had a blanket over the speakers. REALLY LAID BACK SOUND that I'm sure many people like but again not my cup of tea. >>>>

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I find this post amusing because when I hooked them up my wife asked if they were defective. No kidding! Subsequent listeners all said it sounded like singers had a hand over their mouth.

Now there are at least a hand full of us that think they sound like they have a blanket over them. ;-)

I'm not trying to fuel the fire, I just wanted to point out that at least a few people feel the Rockets tweeter sounds like it is under water.

-Brian
post #73 of 415
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Originally posted by blkwrxwgn
Mad Dog is absolutely correct. Why can't you people grasp this concept? Some people love olive's. I can't stand them, can't even smell them without gagging. Some people like country music, I can't stand it. Some people like a layed back sound, I don't. Of all the people that have heard the rockets and liked them compared to those who have and didn't, you have a VERY SMALL percentage. I'm very picky about every little nuance in the music and prefer a detailed sound. The Rocket's weren't my style and I thought twice about posting that fact because I didn't want the "rocket no life patrol" to be all "HA!!! SEE!!! They aren't all that grea!" Give me a break. 2 maybe 3 people on here have said they wouldn't buy them compared to the massive amount of extrememly happy owners.

There are people I have talked to that absolutely hate Wilson Watt Puppies and I dont get it because I think they sound incredible. There are some people who like Paradigm 100's, I can't stand them. To each his own.

If you don't like the Rockets then the Ref 1's or 2's are the other end of the spectrum. So you can get either type of speaker from an amazing company. Not to bad if you ask me.
I also posted this too. :rolleyes:
post #74 of 415
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Originally posted by Bghead8che
RT297,

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I find this post amusing because when I hooked them up my wife asked if they were defective. No kidding! Subsequent listeners all said it sounded like singers had a hand over their mouth.

Now there are at least a handle of us that think they sound like they have a blanket over them. ;-)

I'm not trying to fuel the fire, I just wanted to point out that at least a few people feel the Rockets tweeter sounds like it is under water.

-Brian
I would say that you are trying to fuel something by your choice of words. Easy on the characterizations, there are a lot of us here with a great deal of audio experience who like the sound of the Rockets very much.

A speaker I know you to prefer for it's "detailed and natural" sound is my "cheap sounding boom-and-tizz earbleeder", suited for the neophyte Circuit City crowd where boom and tizz stands out in quickie A/B's. The difference is while I might think it, I wouldn't SAY that here out of respect for the taste of others, except for the purpose of illustration here.

A little common decency, respect, and politeness never hurt a discussion.
post #75 of 415
Brian,
Boom and Tizz sells speakers. Consumer brand speaker companies have always known this, and they pander to it in much the same way video manufacturers crank up the contrast on all their monitors out of the box, even though they know it will shorten the lifespan of the unit, and will not look the best at those settings.
I've owned more than my fair share of these speakers over the years (don't ask how many years :) ) and while they can sound impressive in the showroom, and even at home for a while, they have always worn out their welcome in my system long before I want to go speaker shopping again. True audiophile speakers don't do this. BW has mentioned the Dunlavy's, and I will throw in the Vienna Acoustic, Von Schwiekerts, and Vandersteens
with the same crowd. There are many others, but I have not heard them personally.
That is my preference not your's, and if you took offence at my post, I apologize as I don't mean to be confrontational. I'm merely trying to explain what you are hearing and why. The Rocket sound can take a bit of getting used to, and may not be for everyone, but they are in no way veiled or muddy.
Veiled is a more objective term than "laid back" or "forward", two pretty much useless terms (among others) that never mean the same to two different people. Veiled implies that they are muffled, and regardless of their intended voicing, I would never describe them in those terms.

Hectic1 is up in arms with me for suggesting the Ref1's sound much like the Rocket 250's with the treble cranked. This is true, but my post was poorly worded in that I would not counsel anyone to actually buy speakers and Eq them like that. It's not how the designer intended them to sound. The Ref's are very nice little monitors, and their designer is world class, but by boosting the 250 treble you can end up with many of the same sonic characteristics attributed to the Ref1's. I would like to spend more time with them someday though.
Thanks,
post #76 of 415
BW,
Sorry, I didn't mean to overlap your post, but I was distracted a couple of times while writing my reply tho Brian, and didn't see your reply. It's true great minds think alike though. :D :D
post #77 of 415
Russ, while I do listen to nearly all music genres a great deal (barring Rap and other things old people generally don't like), what I like the most about the Rockets, Dynaudio, and other forgiving designs is the ability to CRANK rock music without the high-mids and treble driving me out of the room. It's not something I do all the time, but it's great fun.

I find that when I listen to music loudly, the treble sets my limit. If I can get more bass and mids for the same amount of treble while still enjoying what I consider to be *a natural and balanced sound*, I'll take it. I'm guessing you're in the same boat there, eh?

The biggest difference between music sessions "then" and "now", is that now I keep an OSHA SPL exposure chart taped to the back of my SPL meter. :)
post #78 of 415
My point was this, nothing more...... I'm not the only one that feels the treble on the Rockets is somewhat lacking.

It will be interesting to see what reviewers think of the speaker. Hopefully we will get some magazine reviews shortly and not a review from Soundstage.

I can only go on what I heard. Many disagree and that is fine. ;-)

-Brian
post #79 of 415
Why if the Rockets are so overwhelmingly endorsed did they go and create a speaker line (Reference) w/ a sound that is quite a bit different? Perhaps to address a different crowd?

Most manufacturers try to keep the same voicing throughout their different lines.

Seems to me that if people love the Rocket sound they would tend not to like the Reference sound.

Thoughts?

-Brian
post #80 of 415
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Originally posted by Bghead8che
My point was this, nothing more...... I'm not the only one that feels the treble on the Rockets is somewhat lacking.

It will be interesting to see what reviewers think of the speaker. Hopefully we will get some magazine reviews shortly and not a review from Soundstage.

I can only go on what I heard. Many disagree and that is fine. ;-)

-Brian
Were never going to get a unanimous vote on anything audio. That's OK. A friend of mine told me today that Faith Hill's looks do nothing for him. I was understandably crushed and privately thought him an idiot, but I moved on. :)

Audio magazine reviews do nothing for me, although I did have a soft spot for "The $ensible $ound" at one time when I was coming out of my Stereophile "Golden Ears" daze. I'm the final and absolute judge "who's right every time!" on what I like, however I'd never presume to have that power over anyone else. If someone wants to take my opinion on something, I'll say "do it at your own risk".
post #81 of 415
Faith is fine unless she cuts her hair. ;)

-Brian
post #82 of 415
Brian,
The Onyx Reference line is not designed or owned by the AV123 team. They are just the distributor and my guess as to why they chose to add someone else's line is that the quality is up to their standards, and they feel there are those who will enjoy their sound. Mark Schifter is a pretty sharp guy, and he knows what to offer his market.
post #83 of 415
Originally posted by Bghead8che:

"Why if the Rockets are so overwhelmingly endorsed did they go and create a speaker line (Reference) w/ a sound that is quite a bit different? Perhaps to address a different crowd?"

As I understand it, the Reference Series speakers were an existing Thierry Comte design ready for production when Mark Schifter came upon them. I suspect he thought they would be a good line for providing something for every taste.

"Most manufacturers try to keep the same voicing throughout their different lines."

Usually, but not always. Klipsch speakers have varied quite a bit from line to line as have Energy, NHT, and others.

"Seems to me that if people love the Rocket sound they would tend not to like the Reference sound."

That may be true. I've never heard them, but from the reports I've read about them they may not be my speaker. However some have reported liking both but for different reasons. I'd probably like them quite a bit for classical and HT reproduction, but they might not be my first choice for higher-SPL dynamic music sessions.
post #84 of 415
Sure. That makes sense.

I mistakenly thought it was another AV123 produced product.

-Brian
post #85 of 415
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Originally posted by Bghead8che
Sure. That makes sense.

I mistakenly thought it was another AV123 produced product.

-Brian
I believe the Refs are coming out of the AV123 production machine now, however it's hard for me to keep all this straight so I won't swear to it.
post #86 of 415
You guy's obviously haven't seen the Norah Jones DVD yet. That'll send Faith packing with her tail between her legs.
post #87 of 415
What are you smoking! With the TV off, Norah wins by a landslide though. :D
post #88 of 415
Bg-If Sony speakers are the sound you like. Then, I would think many other speakers are too laid back for you. And maybe too detailed?
post #89 of 415
As a Texan, I'm quite unashamed of Nora Jones, being from Texas, y'all.
post #90 of 415
What? I think that was supposed to be an insult of some sort?
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