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post #61 of 280
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Originally posted by WidescreenDream
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I am guessing any new digital tv that can only display 1080i will convert any signal above 480p to 1080i otherwise you would miss out on half the hi def stations.
...unless the TV expects the conversion to be done in an external box. Since this TV has no internal tuner, maybe it's designed with the expectation that whatever does the tuning will convert 720p signals into either 420p or 1080i.

My Motorola DCT5100 does exactly that.

BTW, this is exactly what the product literature says in the "connections" section: "2 Sets of Auto Sensing 1080i/480p/480i (Y/Pb/Pr) Component Inputs"

Other TVs I have seen have specifically pointed out that they are capable of accepting 720p input signals. I am pretty certain that if this TV could, Samsung would brag about it in the literature.

Jim
post #62 of 280
I was in Circuit City last night and the salesman told me that the TV does 720p with no problem.
post #63 of 280
My concern is that most X-Box hi-def games are 720p and the X-Box wont upconvert 720p to 1080i by itself....
post #64 of 280
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Originally posted by LewisD
My concern is that most X-Box hi-def games are 720p and the X-Box wont upconvert 720p to 1080i by itself....
Thats what I am afraid of too.
post #65 of 280
Samsung just updated their website with info on the 3098, and nowhere does it list DVI input...

http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/na...3098WHFX%2fXAA
post #66 of 280
Okay, definitive answer:

My HDTV tuner (DCT5100) can be forced to output 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i. The TXN2771HF does fine with 480i, 480p, and 1080i, but looks like crap with 720p (see attached).

This Samsung just don't do 720p. I don't care how many Circuit City salespeople tell you otherwise.

(And it also does not have a DVI input.)

Jim
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post #67 of 280
So how would that affect like X-Box with the lack of 720p?
post #68 of 280
I'm not familiar with Xbox, but if it's designed to send a 720p signal through a DVI connector as seems to be implied above, then Xbox no workee with Samsung TXN-series TVs.

There are probably converters you could get to interface an Xbox to these TVs, but I'd guess that would be an expensive solution.
post #69 of 280
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Originally posted by LewisD
Samsung just updated their website with info on the 3098, and nowhere does it list DVI input...

http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/na...3098WHFX%2fXAA
If you click on the brochure link the PDF file lists DVI-HDTV with HDCP.
post #70 of 280
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Originally posted by jruhnke
I'm not familiar with Xbox, but if it's designed to send a 720p signal through a DVI connector as seems to be implied above, then Xbox no workee with Samsung TXN-series TVs.

There are probably converters you could get to interface an Xbox to these TVs, but I'd guess that would be an expensive solution.
I am not positive there is a DVI for the X-Box...mine is in the mail...lol...I think you can only use Component. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
post #71 of 280
I think the difference is that the TXN3098WHFX is part of their "Neo" line, and the TXN2771HFX is part of their more basic "Premier" line. The "Neo" is a step up, and apparently has interfaces the Premier models don't.

My apologies. I though the "TXN" model # prefix only applied to the "Premiere" models. Sorry for any confusion.

All of my prior comments throughout this thread should be taken to apply to the "Premier" models, only.

(And if the Xbox has component outputs, then the lack of a DVI input is no longer important. You're still honked by the lack of 720p support, though, if that's all Xbox will output.)
post #72 of 280
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Originally posted by Louie
So how would that affect like X-Box with the lack of 720p?
It means you can't play any 720p games (like NBA2K3, THPS4, etc.) in 720p on this TV. You can play them in 480p or 480i only. Virtually all Xbox games support 480p.

And Xbox doesn't have a DVI connection option (as of now)--composite (standard), S-Video (advanced AV pack), or component (Hi-def AV pack).
post #73 of 280
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Originally posted by jruhnke
I think the difference is that the TXN3098WHFX is part of their "Neo" line, and the TXN2771HFX is part of their more basic "Premier" line. The "Neo" is a step up, and apparently has interfaces the Premier models don't.

My apologies. I though the "TXN" model # prefix only applied to the "Premiere" models. Sorry for any confusion.

All of my prior comments throughout this thread should be taken to apply to the "Premier" models, only.

(And if the Xbox has component outputs, then the lack of a DVI input is no longer important. You're still honked by the lack of 720p support, though, if that's all Xbox will output.)
Hmmm...the 3098 is very appealing, all he same features of the 3075 + DVI....except no place carries it around here.....
post #74 of 280
I think the 3098 may have built in subs in the back as well. Last years model did. I know it has DVI and is meant to be a bit slimmer. It has a list of $1299.

If anyone is interested Crutchfield is now selling the 26" Samsung widescreen. It has a list of $799. Premier series only.
post #75 of 280
Just visited my local Frys store and it looks like Samsung now has some competition in the 30" widescreen market. They had the Phillips 30PW8879 for $999, same price as the 30TXN3075. I know the 30PW8879 started selling for over $2000 when it came out July '02 so for this price is a steal.

It has a better comb filter than the Samsung as well as PIP. The only quirk is that it comes with an attached stand with glass shelves. Don't get me wrong, the stand and tv look very very nice, but if you were wanting to place the tv on your own stand you cannot take the Phillips out of its built in stand.

Still if you can use it with the stand this Phillips is an awesome deal for the price. Beats out the Samsung IMO at this price. Grab this deal while it lasts.
post #76 of 280
Anyone know where I can order/pre-order the TXN3098WHF? Based on what I have read, it sounds like a full featured set at a value price. Thanks.
post #77 of 280
Alright, I found the set here in NJ and online at PC Richard. Online price was $1099 which the store matched when I went to see the set last night. It is due to arrive this morning.
post #78 of 280
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Let us know what it's like JAKEJ!
post #79 of 280
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Originally posted by WidescreenDream
Just visited my local Frys store and it looks like Samsung now has some competition in the 30" widescreen market. They had the Phillips 30PW8879 for $999, same price as the 30TXN3075. I know the 30PW8879 started selling for over $2000 when it came out July '02 so for this price is a steal.

It has a better comb filter than the Samsung as well as PIP. The only quirk is that it comes with an attached stand with glass shelves. Don't get me wrong, the stand and tv look very very nice, but if you were wanting to place the tv on your own stand you cannot take the Phillips out of its built in stand.

Still if you can use it with the stand this Phillips is an awesome deal for the price. Beats out the Samsung IMO at this price. Grab this deal while it lasts.
Frys has the Philips 30PW8879 on sale for $799. I couldn't resist and got one to be delivered tomorrow. I think the attached stand is a plus since I don't have to shop for a separate stand anymore. The Samsung 3075 at BB was also under consideration but the price difference clinched it. I reallize there's no DVI and only one HD input but I can live with that for now. A larger LCD or plasma is down the road so the Philips fits my needs for now for a really good price.
post #80 of 280
I can confirm that the TXN will not do 720p [obviously it cannot display 720p and it does not up-convert 720p to 1080i ] .
-- Jason
post #81 of 280
I have a few questions that I would like to ask. My T.V. viewing is 50% directv and 50% progressive scan dvd. Is it possible to watch directv in 480i and dvd in 480p? In the info section on Samsung's site it says:

"Total DSP (Digital Signal Processing) Analog to Digital Signal Processing"

and


"Pro Chip Plus Converts all Analog Signals to Flicker-Free Progressive Scan"

Now wouldnt it be in my best interest to watch directv in Analog 480i?
What if I dont want it to convert DTV to progressive scan? At this point I have no interest in HDTV. Only progressive scan DVD and Directv. Thanks in advance,

Ben
post #82 of 280
I am impressed with the picture and sound quality from this set out of the box. I would like to adjust geometry and other settings. Can someone give me the remote sequence for the service menu? Since I am new to Samsung and service menus in general, can someone give me the "must" adjust settings as well? Thanks.
post #83 of 280
ben88,
-- it actually looks OK with DirecTV fed via S-Video [ not great but watchable - the conversion to 480p is decent ] . Problem with the Inputs [ other than 480p component ] is that you get the vertical banding issue and the brightness is not constant across the entire screen .
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post #84 of 280
Jakej,

Check the previous posts in this thread. Someone gave a good list of service menu modes. The access code (assuming it's the same as the 3097 model) is: power-off, mute, 1, 8, 2, power-on. The geometry on my set was the only thing that really needed adjustment but be advised that the info here was gained only by trial & error. The H-EW adjusts the screen width/overscan, the H-shift moves the screen left or right, the bow bends the screen convex-right, H-parabola bends the middle screen portion convex-left/right, angle will shift the screen into a right/left-leaning parallelogram, Trapezium (a.k.a. keystoning) will narrow the top & widen the bottom of the screen or vice-a-versa (+/-), Upper corner & lower corner will horizontally shift the corners of the screen. There are also a couple of screen edge adjustments CXA left blk & right blk that I didn't try (but probably fine-tune the overscan edges) and V-Amp & V-Shift which control screen height & vertical position. I believe these should be the same functions on all inputs 480i, 480p, 1080i. Writing down the current settings, which was suggested in a previous post, is a good idea in case things really get messed up. Also, wait a few minutes after you restart before making any adjustments. Since there seems to be some HV blooming with these sets, working with a static screen source is advisable (ie. pause a DVD signal on an average brightness scene). If you have access to test equipment or the AVIA DVD all the better.
post #85 of 280
Thanks everyone. I did go back and found the sequence for the service menu. I have the AVIA disk on order and will adjust when received. HD from my SAT520 (component input) looks great on this set. Does anyone think it is worth investing in a DVI cable now? PQ is my only concern at this point. Thanks again.
post #86 of 280
Why does everyone think the TXN3098 has DVI inputs? The specs on Samsung's site do not list DVI nor do the specs listed on the B&H Photo site list DVI.
post #87 of 280
It does have the DVI. Crutchfield has the 27'' model listed on their site for $899.99 and it has the DVI.
post #88 of 280
Ok, I can see the DVI port in the pictures and also found a reference to them here:

http://www.dealerscope.com/doc/277399152255115.bsp

I think the model I want is the TXN3298HF. I guess that model isn't shipping yet.
post #89 of 280
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Originally posted by JAKEJ
Does anyone think it is worth investing in a DVI cable now? PQ is my only concern at this point. Thanks again.
Yes. Get a DVD cable from Pacific Cables for fewer $. I got a 5m run male to male DVI-D for $32 + shipping. The shorter lengths are much less. VERY fast delivery. I think they boxed it and had it out the door the same day. Had it in 2 days even though I selected the longer delivery time.

Then get one of the new DVI DVD players. Bravo D1 has a great reputation in the projector world right now. If you ever get a digital projector, you've got the best way (meaning DVI, not necessarily brand name) to feed it DVD's and you'll bypass (I'm just repeating what I remember, now. I won't be able to answer technical questions! ;) ) one digital to analog conversion in your set, so that helps increase quality. Keep an eye on the DVD hardware forum for more chat on this. We'll have our Bravo delivered in about two weeks. I don't have a TV that will take the DVI signal, so I won't be able to check that out, unless our local audio/video store wants to see it... Hmmmmm. Then I could check the picture on the XBR and the 500... Cool.

Remember - have fun!
post #90 of 280
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Originally posted by Andrew67
Why does everyone think the TXN3098 has DVI inputs? The specs on Samsung's site do not list DVI nor do the specs listed on the B&H Photo site list DVI.
I have the 3098 sitting in my family room. It does have a DVI input.
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