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post #121 of 3748
Thanks for the help, jd. I sent them an e-mail. The main CBS site has WBNG listed as one of about six New York state CBS HD channels. I also found a listing for a WETM-DT HD channel (WETM being the NBC affiliate in Elmira) somewhere out there in Internet land. I have no reason to believe either is accurate though and in Elmira we receive zero networks in HD. We also have a Fox channel (WYDC) with a terrible, snowy feed.
If the FCC really wanted to push HD forward, they would eliminate the need for any waivers for people who don't have access to HD network channels. Because if I could, I'd get DirecTV in a second. Luckily, my brother has HDTV and the March Madness ticket, so at least I can go there and watch those games and the NFL.
So right now in Elmira we have PBS, INHD, INHD2, HDNET, HDNet Movies, TNT, HBO, Showtime, ESPNHD and Discovery.
I also e-mailed TW regarding the possibility of ESPN2 and the PPV HD movies some TW affiliates are receiving. They e-mailed me back and had no info. I e-mailed WETM and WBNG and plan to e-mail the other two network affiliates, if for no other reason to let them know the interest for HDTV is there and is growing faster than they realize or acknowledge.
post #122 of 3748
Luckily for me I have waivers in place for all four major networks, so I get them in HD as well from DirecTV. But, I wish I could get WB and UPN in HD as well. I use Dish network for their Superstation pack to get WB and UPN in SD. I wish DirecTV would offer TNT-HD. Only time will tell what happens.
post #123 of 3748
Does any one know where the FM broadcast towers are located in the Binghamton area? Has anyone looked into FM traps that may block out the interference with our VHF HD channels?
post #124 of 3748
Use this FCC site to find the FM Stations.
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/fmq.html
post #125 of 3748
Will we ever get the Yankees in HD? Today's game on ESPNHD is a blackout, as I expected. I was told over the phone that YESHD should be up in the Binghamton/Elmira area within a week (as of two days ago). Of course, anyone out there with D* is already watching Yankees games in HD on the YES Network.
post #126 of 3748
I don't know about YES-HD other than the DirecTV version, which I have.

I don't have TWC.

BTW, I'm getting the Yankee game on EPSN-HD (ch73) as well as YES-HD (ch 94). I prefer YES because it doesn't have the stupid bottom scrolling banner. The ESPN version does seem to be a bit sharper. And they aren't using the same cameras, at least not the same angles.
post #127 of 3748
Time Warner carried the last four innings or so of the YESHD feed of today's Red Sox-Yankees game on INHD2.
I'm tempted to go to DirecTV, but I want to see what happens with HD on DirecTV this summer before I purchase anything. As it stands, if TW carries YESHD the rest of the season, I'll be getting more baseball games on TW than I would on DirecTV because of INHD's coverage.
If DirecTV offers FSNHD and MSGHD and ESPN2HD, then I'd become much more interested in switching over, especially with those channels' return to TW in any format looking unlikely for the near future.
post #128 of 3748
DirecTV does have, at extra cost, MLB Extra Innings package, where you'd get most of the out of market games. Many in HD. I believe YES will only be in HD for home games. Maybe some away.

BTW, What HD does TWC offer in Elmira? How's the quality?
post #129 of 3748
Curious to see if Extra Innings does offer HD games. That would definitely make a difference.
Time Warner down here offers all the national TW stuff -- INHD, HDNET, TNT, ESPN, HBO, SHOW, etc. We're still without any networks except WSKG (PBS). If I can get CBS and FOX from DirecTV, I'd definitely be interested. The people at DirecTV can't tell me what I'd get, but since Elmira has neither channel (WBNG is Binghamton, awful WYDC is Corning), I'd hope I'd have a chance. My brother lives outside of Elmira and receives all but NBC from DirecTV's network feeds. The nice thing is he gets the NFL ticket, which gives me the NFL in HD for free.
The only thing I can compare the quality to is my brother's DirecTV HD picture. The colors seem brighter on mine and my PQ actually seems sharper, but I have a nicer TV and I'm using an HDMI cable, which isn't an option for him. Plus, that may just be his settings. I'd have to say I'm generally satisfied with the quality from TW (plus RoadRunner is faster than most high-speed Internet carriers), though the quantity isn't as great as I'd like. We also do not receive any pay-per-view movies in HD, which is a negative. However, I don't think that will be as big an issue when HD DVD arrives.
I should also point out that the picture quality on the non-HD channels on TW seems pretty bad, and the PQ on DirecTV's channels is significantly better.
post #130 of 3748
I have all four major networks from DirecTV. I wish DirecTV would add TNT-HD and WB and UPN. WBNG isn't even broadcasting HD.
post #131 of 3748
I talked to the rep at Time Warner about WBNG not doing HD. There's no excuse for that, especially considering they have a really, really awful digital WBNG channel. He agreed on both counts. I e-mailed WBNG and they had no response on their HD future.
post #132 of 3748
I find it amazing that the TV station in Binghamton that was the pioneer in this area is lagging so far behind in regards to HD. And that ch 34, which was the third station in our area, is broadcasting a good HD signal.

This area is not being served very well when it comes to OTA TV. We don't have a broadcast WB station and the UPN station is very low power. And the NBC station is also low power and is basically a rebroadcast from your NBC station. It uses our local Fox station local newscast.
post #133 of 3748
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Originally posted by supergrass
I talked to the rep at Time Warner about WBNG not doing HD. There's no excuse for that, especially considering they have a really, really awful digital WBNG channel. He agreed on both counts. I e-mailed WBNG and they had no response on their HD future.

I emailed them and received the following reply:

Quote:


I am sorry to say WBNG has no plans at this point to go to HDTV


Sorry

Michael Calkins


Bummer.
post #134 of 3748
That's just plain stupid. But, maybe they just don't want to say when they may go HD for fear of then missing the date.

I'm glad I get CBS-HD with DirecTV.
post #135 of 3748
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Originally posted by jdspencer


I'm glad I get CBS-HD with DirecTV.

What is the procedure (and regulations) regarding waivers etc? Is lack of an HD feed sufficient grounds for a waiver??
post #136 of 3748
Well, the rules have changed. But you still need to call DirecTV and ask them which DNS channels you can receive and to request waivers. Whether the lack of HD is enough doesn't matter. It's up to the individual stations.

In my case, a few years ago I called and asked for DNS and immediately was able to get ABC, NBC, and Fox. I later got the postcard stating that CBS denied the request. Then I got the HD receiver and noticed that our locals were broadcasting a digital signal with only our ABC and PBS stations broadcasting HD. The Superbowl on CBS was approaching, so I emailed WBNG about when they would go HD. They didn't know (and now state that there are no plans, what a bunch of losers). Then DirecTV was going to offer CBS-HD in time for the game. Now my email to WBNG included this fact and out of the blue they granted a waiver. I get all four nets in HD, both east and west.
post #137 of 3748
WETM-DT HD (NBC out of Elmira) does seem to be on TW cable (unscrambled) in the Binghamton area. I receive it as CADTV channel 79-14 on my LST-3410A, and it is being transmitted in 1080i stereo. You would think this should also be available on TW in Elmira.

I wish WBNG would start broadcasting in HD!
post #138 of 3748
Here is the response to my recent email to WICZ:


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Thank you for your interest in FOX 40 and our conversion to HDTV. WICZ-TV, FOX 40 and WBPN, UPN 8 are currently broadcast digitally over the air on DTV channel 8. The process of further converting our signal to High Definition is underway though no firm time table for this is in place.

Currently WICZ-TV and Time Warner Cable have yet to reach an agreement which would allow Time Warner Cable to carry our digital signal.

Time Warner Cable does however carry our analog signals under agreement previously approved.

We are hopeful about reaching an agreement for our digital signal, in the meantime we hope you enjoy FOX 40 and UPN 8 over the air on DTV channel 8.



Thank you for writing.

I think this means that rabbitears.info should be corrected? (FOX 40 is not in HD (720p), right?)
post #139 of 3748
No HD from Fox with my OTA antenna. And, their PSIP isn't working either. I can receive Fox and UPN on 8-2 and 8-3 as well as 40-1 and 40-2. The guide data for 40-2 is for UPN yet the picture is Fox 40 there. I emailed them about their PSIP a couple fo weeks ago, but nothing from them yet. And, before you ask, I have restarted my HD receiver a couple of times. It doesn't really matter yet for me. I get Fox HD from DirecTV DNS.
post #140 of 3748
Nah, I'm leaving WICZ alone. I figure they'll get to it eventually. Actually, I imagine they'll have to do it soon or face Fox's wrath.

- Trip
post #141 of 3748
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Originally posted by Trip in VA
Nah, I'm leaving WICZ alone. I figure they'll get to it eventually. Actually, I imagine they'll have to do it soon or face Fox's wrath.

With all due respect, wouldn't you want to strive for accuracy? (If it were my web page I would )

(Who knows how long it will take WICZ to make the transistion...)
post #142 of 3748
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Originally posted by hiperco
With all due respect, wouldn't you want to strive for accuracy? (If it were my web page I would )

(Who knows how long it will take WICZ to make the transistion...)

True, but in case you haven't noticed, I haven't even looked at my own site in months. :P So it's not all that big of a deal. I'm sure that by the time I'd get around to updating it, it'd be in HD.

Seriously though, I could have swore I heard something about Fox setting a deadline for HD and any that didn't upgrade would hear about it...

- Trip
post #143 of 3748
Trip,
I wouldn't hold my breath about your "I'm sure that by the time I'd get around to updating it, it'd be in HD." statement. Unless the update is after they have done it.

Do you think that our UPN affiliate would go HD on the subchannel? Or do we wait for them to upgrade their own transmitter, which is currently low power.

I wonder what the Fox deadline is for their affiliates. Maybe if we sent email/letters to Fox about their affiliate here it would help speed things up. Nah, what am I thinking.
post #144 of 3748
Channel 700 on Time Warner Cable in Elmira is now showing up as WETM-HD. Hopefully, it's there for keeps. It seems like things are still being tweaked because the signal keeps going in and out, but the PQ is a significant upgrade for just the digital programming. I don't think any HD programming is on NBC until prime time. It'd be the first HD network channel available on cable in Elmira.
post #145 of 3748
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Originally posted by jdspencer
Trip,
I wouldn't hold my breath about your "I'm sure that by the time I'd get around to updating it, it'd be in HD." statement. Unless the update is after they have done it.

Do you think that our UPN affiliate would go HD on the subchannel? Or do we wait for them to upgrade their own transmitter, which is currently low power.

I wonder what the Fox deadline is for their affiliates. Maybe if we sent email/letters to Fox about their affiliate here it would help speed things up. Nah, what am I thinking.

Yes, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get around to it until then. That said, I'm planning on discontinuing RabbitEars as it is; I think I've come up with a much better way to do it. Hopefully it will make it quicker, more reliable, and simpler.

No. Definitely no. There's not enough bandwidth for two HD streams without compressing the hell out of both of them.

- Trip
post #146 of 3748
Thanks for that info, Trip.

Our UPN does have a transmitter, but really low power. So who knows when their will get around to full power and then digital/HD capability. I'm not holding my breath.

Would two HD streams at 720p be possible without a lot of compression?
post #147 of 3748
Quote:


Originally posted by jdspencer
Thanks for that info, Trip.

Our UPN does have a transmitter, but really low power. So who knows when their will get around to full power and then digital/HD capability. I'm not holding my breath.

Would two HD streams at 720p be possible without a lot of compression?

Well, I'll put it like this. A full 1080i stream just about uses up the 19.39 mbps available during the high-action scenes. Statistical multiplexing, however, allows for the bandwidth to be reallocated to other streams when needed, so that number can vary.

720p can survive with 16 mbps well. Again, stat-muxing will pull it off alright.

Will the just under 9 mbps be enough? I doubt it. My local PBS station at one point aired HD right alongside 4 SD feeds (one sucked up 3.5, the others about 2), leaving roughly 10 for 1080i HD. It looked like crap.

- Trip
post #148 of 3748
Hi. I am going to be living in Binghamton attending BU for school. I will be a grad student, so I'll have an apartment up there. I don't feel like paying TWC the $ they charge for basic cable and internet.

I was wondering what luck I will have if I use an antenna to grab OTA signals. What channels are offered OTA and how clearly do they come in (both analog and digital)? What kind of equipment do I need to grab an adequate amount of channels?

Thank you for your help

Mike (the very appreciative newb)
post #149 of 3748
The analog broadcast channels that are available here are:
ABC ch 34
CBS ch 12
NBC ch 20 (low power)
Fox Ch 40
UPN ch 10 (low power)
PBS ch 46
WB is cable only, so you'll be out of luck there.
All of the towers are at the same location.
I live a few miles NE of Binghamton with another hill in the way, so analog is awful.
But, in town shouldn't be a problem. You may also be able to get a couple of channels from Elmira.

The digital OTA frequencies are:
ABC ch 4
CBS ch 8
Fox ch 7
UPN is using a sub channel of Fox
PBS ch 42
Only ABC and PBS are currently providing HD on their digital channels.

You'll need an HD set top box ATSC tuner to receive the HD OTA.
post #150 of 3748
Thank you for that guide.

I have a Samsung HD setup, but I need help on a suitable antenna. Is there any antenna that is better than the others for receiving digital and analog OTA signals in Binghamton? I was looking at the Terk TV55 as a possible antenna. WOuld that be adequate at picking up signals?
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