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post #9661 of 9739
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Originally Posted by DanKurts View Post

Levi
What are your nearest cross streets?
Dan

nearest is 132nd ave se and se 218th place.
Kent Wa, 98042

I'm on the hill, not all the way on top, but pretty close, thankfully not in the little valley next to it.

Thanks!

i can also confirm that 13 is being broadcast on 22-2, but it looks pretty poor compared to the HD broadcast. But I'm fine running a VHF + UHF rig. its going where i wont see it smile.gif

-Levi
post #9662 of 9739
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Originally Posted by saber63 View Post

nearest is 132nd ave se and se 218th place.
Kent Wa, 98042

I'm on the hill, not all the way on top, but pretty close, thankfully not in the little valley next to it.

Thanks!

i can also confirm that 13 is being broadcast on 22-2, but it looks pretty poor compared to the HD broadcast. But I'm fine running a VHF + UHF rig. its going where i wont see it smile.gif

-Levi

Levi
The trees and the hill to the NW do affect you a bit.
I would suggest the Channelmaster 2020. Ch13 has to go through more of the hill and it's a bit off direction from the others. It will help you pull it all in and not require a preamp.
The little Winegard wall patch thing is not going to work that well. The bigger Winegard is actually a bit much in size. It's too directional and will make it harder to get 13 and the rest. It also has a lousy balun, the part where the cable attaches to the antenna.
Inside the attic or house will just add to the problems.
Dan
post #9663 of 9739
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Originally Posted by Flambe View Post

I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this...

I have an OTA receiver in one room of my house (I live in Fremont btw). According to the Windows 7 Media Center OTA signal strength scanner, I get Kiro (7.1) at full strength (5/5 bars). However, this weekend when I tried to tune to KIRO to watch a football game, I got the "There's no TV signal" message from Media Center. I immediately checked the OTA signal strength meter, and it still said that it was coming in at full strength. For the record, I get all the standard channels at full strength (4.x, 5.x, 7.x, 9.x, etc., except 13.1 which I get from 22.2).

I've noticed this before on other channels (like 13 and 5): if there's an NFL game on, I can't get reception. If there's no game on, the channel comes in just fine.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it almost seems like they're purposefully blocking out the games on OTA. Or am I just missing something simple?


For some time now I have not been able to tune to channel 7 on windows media center, but as soon as I press record it will come in, meaning that it will record. It seems to be some sort of problem with KIRO and Windows Media Center.
post #9664 of 9739
It sounds like the trouble is with the low power translators, and the receivers selecting the incorrect transmitter for KIRO.
post #9665 of 9739
In MCE, go to settings->TV->Guide->Channels->Kiro->Edit sources and unselect appropriately - each source will show you the signal strengh for each virtual channel, select the source with the strongest signal - sometimes it will be the main source and sometimes a translator depending on your physical location.
post #9666 of 9739
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Originally Posted by marvac View Post

Thanks for the help, Dan, I really appreciate it. I will go ahead and give the HBU33 a try and report on my results. Sounds like it's going to be an uphill battle!

Joe

Well, I went to Radio Shack and bought the HBU33, stuck it on my roof and it did much better than the RCA ANT751, especially when I attached the RCA preamplifier that I had purchased with the RCA antenna. I can pick up about 23 channels with it lying flat on my roof. The only finicky channel left is KSTW, which I do want. The weird thing is that I tried mounting it to a 4 foot mast and attaching it to my chimney and I only got about half the channels as I did with the thing just sitting on the roof. The "sweet spot" seemed to be sitting right on top of the chimney (where I obviously can't leave it) pointed straight at a big pine tree about 200' away. Go figure.

Anyway, now I'm debating whether I should return the HBU33 and get a bigger one with a "real" amplifier just as insurance down the road. Since I know that I can receive where I am would a bigger antenna be better all around?

I'm also curious what the correct way is to connect an amplifier when there are multiple TVs. Do you put the power injector just before the splitter? In my case that would be outside, which is probably a no no.

Thanks!

Joe
post #9667 of 9739
You need to order a splitter with a one port power pass and connect the power supply inside to one TV going to the power passing port. And add a voltage block to the other ports. See Denny's Antenna site under voltage block for diagrams. The splitter is usually in between the power supply and the outside amp, and is perhaps located inline in the attic.
post #9668 of 9739
I really appreciate the info, Dan. I had no idea about the signal bouncing off the walls! I also wouldn't have known to point the antenna to downtown/NW on the roof. I'll get the RatShack HBU22 you suggest and try and find someone who'll go up on my roof for me. Thanks so much for your help!
post #9669 of 9739
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Originally Posted by marvac View Post

Well, I went to Radio Shack and bought the HBU33, stuck it on my roof and it did much better than the RCA ANT751, especially when I attached the RCA preamplifier that I had purchased with the RCA antenna. I can pick up about 23 channels with it lying flat on my roof. The only finicky channel left is KSTW, which I do want. The weird thing is that I tried mounting it to a 4 foot mast and attaching it to my chimney and I only got about half the channels as I did with the thing just sitting on the roof. The "sweet spot" seemed to be sitting right on top of the chimney (where I obviously can't leave it) pointed straight at a big pine tree about 200' away. Go figure.

Anyway, now I'm debating whether I should return the HBU33 and get a bigger one with a "real" amplifier just as insurance down the road. Since I know that I can receive where I am would a bigger antenna be better all around?

I'm also curious what the correct way is to connect an amplifier when there are multiple TVs. Do you put the power injector just before the splitter? In my case that would be outside, which is probably a no no.

Thanks!

Joe

Joe
It's a hard one to predict. Bigger is almost always better when you shooting for one direction, but you are going for three, roughly. The key is what channels are you having problems with. If it's 9, 11 or 13, than a bigger one might be in order, like the HBU 44. That one and the HBU 55 will improve those channels, but not the UHF ones, as that part of the antenna is identical on all three models. A better preamp would defintely help. Use the Channelmaster 7777. It has a separate injector for the power, so you can locate the actual power supply indoors. You just need to run a coax cable outside to the injector. As long as the injector is anywhere between the preamp and the first splitter for your TV's, it's fine. It also won't have as much signal loss through it as using a 2way power pass splitter. Be sure to seal all connections well and run a ground wire from the TV splitter for protection. A lot of times we get what I like to call mini static hits that won't take your tree down or burn up the house, but it can wipe out a preamp. Run a ground wire up to the mast as well. You get a lot of wind there, and storms come at you right up the Sound.
As for the location, try all four corners of your chimney if possible. It's surprising how many times just the one corner works. If you use your chimney, try the SW corner first and then the NW corner. The winds will help keep the smoke from trashing the antenna over time. Also, keep it at least 3ft above the chimney. If you're using chimney straps, use a third one in the middle. Yeah, overkill, but the winds will loosen it up over time, so the tighter you can keep the mast from whipping around, the better. And give it a check at least once a year. If the chimney surround is wood, use a third bracket.
It's a bit of extra work, but if you get it right, it will last many years.
Weather is going to be great for the next 4 or 5 days, which is very rare around here, so plan the project sooner than later!
Let us know what happens.
Dan
post #9670 of 9739
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Originally Posted by EliAdams View Post

I really appreciate the info, Dan. I had no idea about the signal bouncing off the walls! I also wouldn't have known to point the antenna to downtown/NW on the roof. I'll get the RatShack HBU22 you suggest and try and find someone who'll go up on my roof for me. Thanks so much for your help!

Eli
You're very welcome.
Let us know how it turns out.
Dan
post #9671 of 9739
Dan (or anyone else),
I am thinking about ditching cable for OTA, perhaps with your professional assistance. I live near the intersection of 140th Avenue and 62nd Street in Redmond, south of Grasslawn Park. My house is at about 400' elevation, and I have a chimney that the previous owner had attached an antenna to, but the signal diagram says that most of my channels will be to the SW. But just SW of me is the ridge of Bridle Trails park, elev 550' (plus the Doug Firs in that park and in my yard), which is probably why the diagram recommends a large antenna and an amp. Do you think it's even worth it to try OTA? I don't think the nice folks at the CIty of Redmond Planning Department will let me put up a 150' antenna...
Thanks,
Sean
post #9672 of 9739
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Originally Posted by Taszar View Post

Dan (or anyone else),
I am thinking about ditching cable for OTA, perhaps with your professional assistance. I live near the intersection of 140th Avenue and 62nd Street in Redmond, south of Grasslawn Park. My house is at about 400' elevation, and I have a chimney that the previous owner had attached an antenna to, but the signal diagram says that most of my channels will be to the SW. But just SW of me is the ridge of Bridle Trails park, elev 550' (plus the Doug Firs in that park and in my yard), which is probably why the diagram recommends a large antenna and an amp. Do you think it's even worth it to try OTA? I don't think the nice folks at the CIty of Redmond Planning Department will let me put up a 150' antenna...
Thanks,
Sean

Sean
That's a really tough spot. Done some surveys there, not much getting through.
You're correct on the elevation problem, plus huge trees in the park. Good assessment.
I never say never, but it looks pretty hopeless.In the old analog days, you would get "some" signal, but it was ghosty. For some people, that was better than paying for it. Digital just has to have enough to lock onto, and there just isn't much getting through that big hill and thick forest. You might try some cheapy indoor antenna and put it near an eastern window to see if you can catch the KIRO translator from Tiger Mt. It's SE, towards Issaquah. If there aren't too many trees in that direction, it might work. If you see some signal, than a small outdoor pointed that way would get you at least one major channel. Not much else from that direction though.
Or, you could do the basic cable for about $14/mo for the locals.
Sorry.
Dan
post #9673 of 9739
Or I could move... smile.gif
That's what I was afraid of. Thanks for the prompt response, Dan.
post #9674 of 9739
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Originally Posted by richardhqw View Post

Hi Joe! I live about a mile from there and use that antenna, with 54 +/- stations. However, I'm above the bowl.

You should also be able to get KIRO-TV, as it's in the same place as KOMO. Is that one coming in?

Here's something to try-- I do not know if this will work, but if adjusting the direction of your antenna is not a huge task, maybe give it a go:

The following stations have low power re-transmitters ("translators") in Everett. Although they're low power, you might be within view of them:
KIRO
KZJO

KSTW has a low power translator in Port Townsend.

You also may be able to get KVOS, KBCB and some canadian choices, pointing toward Victoria.

If any of those work, you may want to consider a rotor for your antenna!

Say there, what's your Tvfool and cross-street? I'm interested to know how far shouth you are and which BC stations you can pick up.
post #9675 of 9739
Can anybody update the status of KFFV channel 44 from Capitol Hill? I know they have a CP to go from 169 KW to 235 KW from their Capitol Hill tower, but have they actually increased their power? The FCC website is typically of no help, at least from the information that can be gleaned from a TV Query search. One of our wireless microphones was operating very near the lower edge of their frequency slice and has begun to experience some interference where before there was none. It's frequency agile, so we are going to change the frequency but I'd like to know if there is something more seriously wrong with the transmitter/receiver pair we are using. And, yes, I know that wireless microphones are secondary users and subject to interference, etc. All I need to know is whether or not KFFV has increased their power in the last week or so. I might be getting it better here at my house but I can't be sure.

Val
post #9676 of 9739
The FCC site shows two STAs, both expired, plus the licensed facility for 169 kW which is what they should be operating. I don't see any permit to increase power, just that expired STA for 235 kW.

- Trip
post #9677 of 9739
I just moved to Duvall, WA and I am looking to get some OTA TV. From what I can tell, my chances are slim. I do live on a hill that somewhat faces Seattle, but there are tons of trees and hills between me and the towers. TV Fool lists the majority of the channels at 18 miles away in the yellow/red section at 247 degrees. (Fox is listed as 40.6 miles)

Am I doomed in trying to get what I want?

Thanks for the input!
post #9678 of 9739
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Originally Posted by DanKurts View Post

Joe
It's a hard one to predict. Bigger is almost always better when you shooting for one direction, but you are going for three, roughly. The key is what channels are you having problems with. If it's 9, 11 or 13, than a bigger one might be in order, like the HBU 44. That one and the HBU 55 will improve those channels, but not the UHF ones, as that part of the antenna is identical on all three models. A better preamp would defintely help. Use the Channelmaster 7777. It has a separate injector for the power, so you can locate the actual power supply indoors. You just need to run a coax cable outside to the injector. As long as the injector is anywhere between the preamp and the first splitter for your TV's, it's fine. It also won't have as much signal loss through it as using a 2way power pass splitter. Be sure to seal all connections well and run a ground wire from the TV splitter for protection. A lot of times we get what I like to call mini static hits that won't take your tree down or burn up the house, but it can wipe out a preamp. Run a ground wire up to the mast as well. You get a lot of wind there, and storms come at you right up the Sound.
As for the location, try all four corners of your chimney if possible. It's surprising how many times just the one corner works. If you use your chimney, try the SW corner first and then the NW corner. The winds will help keep the smoke from trashing the antenna over time. Also, keep it at least 3ft above the chimney. If you're using chimney straps, use a third one in the middle. Yeah, overkill, but the winds will loosen it up over time, so the tighter you can keep the mast from whipping around, the better. And give it a check at least once a year. If the chimney surround is wood, use a third bracket.
It's a bit of extra work, but if you get it right, it will last many years.
Weather is going to be great for the next 4 or 5 days, which is very rare around here, so plan the project sooner than later!
Let us know what happens.
Dan

Thanks again, Dan. I ended up returning the HBU33 and got the big HBU55. Still haven't purchased the better preamp, but am using the cheaper RCA preamp. Just like you said, it does pull in channels 9, 11 and 13 pretty easily now, however, I'm kind of baffled about having to set the antenna on the roof to get Komo and King. When I mounted it up on a 5' mast attached to the chimney, I get about 6 less channels, including Komo and King. I still need to play around with rotating it, I just need a helper in the house to yell at me when something comes in. Do you think a better Preamp such as the Channelmaster you mentioned will help in my situation? At this point, I'd like to have it mounted to the chimney and still get Komo and King. I guess if it has to just sit on the roof I can find a way to attach it so it doesn't blow away, but it seems like a bad way to go.

Joe
post #9679 of 9739
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Originally Posted by pkssauce View Post

I just moved to Duvall, WA and I am looking to get some OTA TV. From what I can tell, my chances are slim. I do live on a hill that somewhat faces Seattle, but there are tons of trees and hills between me and the towers. TV Fool lists the majority of the channels at 18 miles away in the yellow/red section at 247 degrees. (Fox is listed as 40.6 miles)

Am I doomed in trying to get what I want?

Thanks for the input!

pkssauce
What are your nearest cross streets?
Dan
post #9680 of 9739
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Originally Posted by DanKurts View Post

pkssauce
What are your nearest cross streets?
Dan

NE Valley St and 2nd Ave

The antenna I am looking at putting in my attic is Channel Master 4228HD.

Thanks for helping Dan!
post #9681 of 9739
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Originally Posted by pkssauce View Post

NE Valley St and 2nd Ave

The antenna I am looking at putting in my attic is Channel Master 4228HD.

Thanks for helping Dan!

pkssauce
Not good. Done some jobs there east of 275th, further up the hill, and more surveys. Seems that anything west of 275th, lower down the hill, gets really ugly on the scope. Levels drop off fast, just not really consistent, never able to put one up. On top of the hill, by the school, you can get away with smaller antennas, and some have even got them to work in their attics, which I don't recommend. Yagi style antennas work far better there because the signal gets broken up up by all the trees on Union Hill across the valley. It should be big and use a preamp. CH5 is much weaker there. If you want to try, use an Antennacraft HBU44 from RatShack, and one of their preamps like the 15-321. It must be mounted outdoors and at least a 3ft above anything. Just for testing point it basically towards Seattle. Keep it away from any trees in that direction as much as possible. If it doesn't work, you can return it.
Let us know what happens.
Dan
post #9682 of 9739
Just wanted to report back and say thanks to those that gave me suggestions for an antenna I could use over in West Seattle. Wound up picking up a ChannelMaster 2016 and am able (with fox now broadcasting on real-22 from Seattle) to now pick up all the locals I needed. That coupled with an OTA TiVo and I am officially DirecTV free. Thanks again!
post #9683 of 9739
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Originally Posted by Rassilon View Post

Just wanted to report back and say thanks to those that gave me suggestions for an antenna I could use over in West Seattle. Wound up picking up a ChannelMaster 2016 and am able (with fox now broadcasting on real-22 from Seattle) to now pick up all the locals I needed. That coupled with an OTA TiVo and I am officially DirecTV free. Thanks again!

Rassilon
Well done!
Gold Star on your forehead!
Curious, were you able to pick up KVOS ch12? Some spots on West Seattle are in just the right place to get it. Just did a job last week in Shorecrest with a 2016 and was able to pick it up. Location was high, which helped, but still surprised it came in so well on the meter, +7db all the way from Orcas Island. They really have it cranked up.
Dan
post #9684 of 9739
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Originally Posted by DanKurts View Post

Curious, were you able to pick up KVOS ch12? Some spots on West Seattle are in just the right place to get it. Just did a job last week in Shorecrest with a 2016 and was able to pick it up. Location was high, which helped, but still surprised it came in so well on the meter, +7db all the way from Orcas Island. They really have it cranked up.
Dan

I checked the channel list on the TiVo and I do not get a KVOS ch12. I'm not surprised though based on how I placed the antenna. I have good LOS to downtown Seattle but because of partial blocking in other directions by my house and complete blockage by large hills I can't see much else. Pretty lucky that I happen to have a straight shot to downtown. For whatever reason NBC comes in 10 points less on the signal meter on the TiVo but I haven't had a problem w/the signal lock so hopefully it won't matter once the trees come back in. Overall i'm really happy with the new setup and looking forward to saving 80$/month that I used to give D*.

Hopefully that new low power fox on real-22 stays around though. I don't think I'd have much luck getting the full power broadcast from Tacoma.
post #9685 of 9739
Hey Avs'ers!

Going to try Round 2 with OTA reception with my location in Snoqualmie...

I have posted a few years back on this thread and found out that I am in a bad spot for reception and according to TVfool.com will need a High Gain antenna along with a Pre-Amp to see if I can get anything...

Since the last time I tried this, it looks like KIRO has a repeater now on Tiger Mtn, which is great, I can now receive that channel and the Retro TV Channel fine with my current old setup.

I just added a cheap HD Homerun Dual to my Media Center Setup with my InfiniTV setup in hopes to try for OTA again.

This time around I am going to be using a Clearstream 4 High Gain Antenna and an AntennaCraft 10G212 30 dB High Gain TV/FM Mast-Mounted TV Antenna Amplifier.

Was curious if anyone here has used the Clearstream 4 and or the Antennacraft 10G212 and could provide any commnent on their experience using it?

The other day I tried my old Yagi Style Antenna (during the heavy cold fog cover we had for over a week here in the greater Seattle area) and was able to pull in OTA 3-4 Major networks from Vancouver B.C.

I am guessing this was due to Tropospheric Propagation, with the fog/low cloud cover, as I tried last night with no luck...

Would love to hear from people who have High Gain setup and what equipment they use and location/distance from Bcast Antennas etc.

Thanks!

User7007
post #9686 of 9739
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Originally Posted by User7007 View Post

Hey Avs'ers!

Going to try Round 2 with OTA reception with my location in Snoqualmie...

I have posted a few years back on this thread and found out that I am in a bad spot for reception and according to TVfool.com will need a High Gain antenna along with a Pre-Amp to see if I can get anything...

Since the last time I tried this, it looks like KIRO has a repeater now on Tiger Mtn, which is great, I can now receive that channel and the Retro TV Channel fine with my current old setup.

I just added a cheap HD Homerun Dual to my Media Center Setup with my InfiniTV setup in hopes to try for OTA again.

This time around I am going to be using a Clearstream 4 High Gain Antenna and an AntennaCraft 10G212 30 dB High Gain TV/FM Mast-Mounted TV Antenna Amplifier.

Was curious if anyone here has used the Clearstream 4 and or the Antennacraft 10G212 and could provide any commnent on their experience using it?

The other day I tried my old Yagi Style Antenna (during the heavy cold fog cover we had for over a week here in the greater Seattle area) and was able to pull in OTA 3-4 Major networks from Vancouver B.C.

I am guessing this was due to Tropospheric Propagation, with the fog/low cloud cover, as I tried last night with no luck...

Would love to hear from people who have High Gain setup and what equipment they use and location/distance from Bcast Antennas etc.

Thanks!

User7007

User7007
Michell hill is blocking Seattle transmitters. The KIRO translator comes from Tiger Mt, and is basically line of sight to you. Any other channels from there would work as well, 33, 44, 51, but that's about it. Years ago I did a survey there just for giggles for an old friend and used a Channelmaster 4248 and the Antennacraft MXU59. Both are far better than the Clearstream or other similar bow tie style for fringe. My meter saw nothing from Seattle, and it goes down to 25 microvolts. You most likely did get some skip from Vancouver. The hills to the north of are also very high and would block any direct reception.
Dan
post #9687 of 9739
good to see we now have a weather station again (WEATHER NATION 44-5)
post #9688 of 9739
Guys,

I couldn't really find another place in AVS to post this and I'm hoping this is the right place. Would have really liked to have started an independent thread but didn't see the option.

So I live in Maple Valley / Covington area and just bought the Mohu Leaf indoor antenna. I wasn't expecting anything more then perhaps KIRO or KOMO; we just cancelled cable and just wanted to get the basic news stations. So the antenna is picking up 6 stations; two ION stations, two hispanic stations; a shopping network & a kids station. Unfortunately it's not picking up KIRO or KOMO.

The picture quality is phenomenal!! Absolutely stunning HD Picture --- Couldn't believe an indoor antenna could do that. The problem is not the PQ at all; it's that it's not catching a couple stations that I believe it should.

I went to TVFool.Com and put in my address and here's what I got:



The ones with the Red Check Mark is what I'm getting; plus 3 more that don't appear on this list (I think). What I don't seem to understand is why I'm not getting some of the others around those 3. For example, I'm getting brilliant picture quality for that KUNS-TV station. If you look at KIRO-TV ... it has absolutely the same values as KUNS, like Distance in Miles, Path, Aziuth, etc. Why in the world would I be able to get KUNS-TV but not KIRO or KOMO. What am I missing here?? I don't get it.

The Mohu Leaf says it'll catch stations up to 35 Miles away; There's a lot of stations according to TVFool.Com that are way nearer then 35 miles.

So what gives?

I'm new to OTA so any advice/information would be helpful. Thanks!
post #9689 of 9739
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Originally Posted by mickey79 View Post

Guys,

I couldn't really find another place in AVS to post this and I'm hoping this is the right place. Would have really liked to have started an independent thread but didn't see the option.

So I live in Maple Valley / Covington area and just bought the Mohu Leaf indoor antenna. I wasn't expecting anything more then perhaps KIRO or KOMO; we just cancelled cable and just wanted to get the basic news stations. So the antenna is picking up 6 stations; two ION stations, two hispanic stations; a shopping network & a kids station. Unfortunately it's not picking up KIRO or KOMO.

The picture quality is phenomenal!! Absolutely stunning HD Picture --- Couldn't believe an indoor antenna could do that. The problem is not the PQ at all; it's that it's not catching a couple stations that I believe it should.

I went to TVFool.Com and put in my address and here's what I got:



The ones with the Red Check Mark is what I'm getting; plus 3 more that don't appear on this list (I think). What I don't seem to understand is why I'm not getting some of the others around those 3. For example, I'm getting brilliant picture quality for that KUNS-TV station. If you look at KIRO-TV ... it has absolutely the same values as KUNS, like Distance in Miles, Path, Aziuth, etc. Why in the world would I be able to get KUNS-TV but not KIRO or KOMO. What am I missing here?? I don't get it.

The Mohu Leaf says it'll catch stations up to 35 Miles away; There's a lot of stations according to TVFool.Com that are way nearer then 35 miles.

So what gives?

I'm new to OTA so any advice/information would be helpful. Thanks!

mickey79
TVFool is not that accurate at predicting reception, and advertising claims for antennas should be taken with a bag of salt.
The picture looks great because that's what digital does. No ghosting, snow, just clean & clear. IF you get enough signal and it's not broken up by too many trees or other obstacles. The ones you are getting are right on top of you from Tiger Mt. The rest are coming from the generally NW of you, through a lot of trees and hills. Using an indoor antenna just compounds the problem.
What areyour nearest cross streets?
Dan
post #9690 of 9739
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Originally Posted by DanKurts View Post

mickey79
TVFool is not that accurate at predicting reception, and advertising claims for antennas should be taken with a bag of salt.
The picture looks great because that's what digital does. No ghosting, snow, just clean & clear. IF you get enough signal and it's not broken up by too many trees or other obstacles. The ones you are getting are right on top of you from Tiger Mt. The rest are coming from the generally NW of you, through a lot of trees and hills. Using an indoor antenna just compounds the problem.
What areyour nearest cross streets?
Dan

Hi Dan -- Thanks for the explanation.

I've been doing some research on my own and I've started to realize, just as you stated, things like trees & even building materials will prevent catching stations. At first I was just looking at technical values stated by TVFool.Com ... but I do understand what you're saying about top of me from Tiger Mt. and the others being NW of me.

Nearest cross st from me is SE 276th & 216th Ave SE. Nearest major one is SE 272nd & 216th Ave SE. They're both like 2 ~ 3 minutes from my house.
This is the cross street: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=SE+276th+street+%26+216th+Ave+SE,+Maple+Valley,+WA&hl=en&sll=47.355782,-122.055981&sspn=0.005444,0.009474&t=h&hnear=216th+Ave+SE+%26+SE+276th+St,+Maple+Valley,+King,+Washington+98038&z=16

I'll be honest that I wasn't expecting miracles from an indoor antenna; and the $30 I spent on it I was spending almost as an experiment. We're selling our house & moving; which is why we cancelled cable. Right now I'm not in a position to run cables or setup an exterior outdoor antenna (Since we're selling the property & really disconnecting things & clearing it up) --- so an Indoor Antenna is my only option.

Is there any home-based remedy that would allow me to boost the signal reception on the antenna; perhaps allowing it to catch more stations?

Thanks!!
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